Pharaoh Brown and other Oregon Ducks players accused of bullying
Ok so my first post, please be gentle.
I don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but a video showing what some are claiming as bullying at Oregon has gone viral. In the video, several Oregon football players can be seen taking part in a campus snowball fight which ends when people and players begin to attack a car and a man who stepped out of it with snowballs.
One of such players was former Michigan commit Pharaoh Brown.
"A photo posted by Register-Guard photographer Chris Pietsch shows UO tight end Pharaoh Brown dumping a bucket of snow on another student. The viral video shows someone wearing the same outfit using a similar looking bucket to dump snow on the driver of the car."
Although this is kind of a dick move, to me it just comes off as young kids making a bad decision. I was wondering what the MgoBlog community thought of this.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/oregon-football-player-apologizes-after…
http://youtu.be/azUbx8XwOlU
December 8th, 2013 at 8:12 PM ^
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December 8th, 2013 at 8:32 PM ^
Was getting out of the car a smart thing to do?
December 8th, 2013 at 8:33 PM ^
Really confused by the "world getting soft" comments.
Respect for elders isn't some newfangled idea. This wasn't ok forty years ago, or forty years before that, or forty years before that. Snow, spitballs, even just words, it didn't matter...you just didn't go after somebody decades older than you are.
December 8th, 2013 at 10:24 PM ^
Honestly, I think they are lucky the old guy (professor) didn't have a gun and determine to pull it out. Eugene is "open carry" to my knowledge and while that is a university campus you could see how that sort of thing could have gone quite horribly bad.
December 8th, 2013 at 8:38 PM ^
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December 8th, 2013 at 8:53 PM ^
December 8th, 2013 at 9:00 PM ^
thinking it's ok to shoot somebody for throwing snowballs at your car is on a whole different level of mental insanity than thinking it's ok to bully people by throwing snowballs at their cars.
December 8th, 2013 at 9:10 PM ^
Where did he say it was ok to shoot somebody?
December 8th, 2013 at 9:17 PM ^
but the difference in degrees of insanity between the two actions makes that argument a red herring.
i mean it would be ridiculous to tell your child, "don't throw a snowball at somebody or else they may shoot you in the face."
sure, a person could retaliate in that way, but that's more an indictment of a very different problem with our society than it is a reasonable deterrant for those people's immature behaviors.
December 8th, 2013 at 9:15 PM ^
http://utdailybeacon.com/news/2005/feb/25/anniversary-of-tragic-deaths-…
December 8th, 2013 at 9:22 PM ^
that's aweful.
besides the awefulness had that happened, just imagine the fucking shit show that ensue had that happened in this situation. racial flame wars would abound, no doubt.
December 8th, 2013 at 8:55 PM ^
but would anyone be proud of being in that video with the professor? Ignoring all of the other stuff (mob mentality, laws, ect), throwing a snowball in someone's face is a dick move and it's amplified by being significantly bigger than the other person and having 20-25 people looking on.
December 8th, 2013 at 8:56 PM ^
Having been a part of the '02 West Quad-South Quad snowball fight, I'd say this was pretty tame. I got my shit wrecked by a football player after nailing Marlin Jackson in the face/neck with a water balloon. Before you accuse me of being dirty, West Quad was armed with pre-made iceballs. There were multiple blood stains out front the next morning; I saw one girl with her chin split wide open. It was brutal.
December 8th, 2013 at 8:59 PM ^
Pretty sure the old man wanted nothing to do with this.
December 8th, 2013 at 9:01 PM ^
it seems that the "nuances" of consent are lost on many people.
December 8th, 2013 at 9:01 PM ^
Was a distinction made between participants and bystanders?
I was in many a snowball fight when I was younger but everyone knew that teachers and parents were off limits.
December 8th, 2013 at 9:20 PM ^
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December 8th, 2013 at 11:05 PM ^
Seriously. Brian must be banging his head against his keyboard right now.
December 8th, 2013 at 11:47 PM ^
Not to take this to an absurdity, but if your significant other/child/grandmother tried to get to their car and was continually pelted in the face with snowballs you would be just fine with that? If you left a bar with a woman (significant other or whoever) and some guy on the sidewalk hit her in the face with a snowball from like three feet away, you'd be just fine with that and laugh? Same situation with a child and Cedar Point or your grandmother and church or bingo or something? All laughs?
December 9th, 2013 at 12:04 AM ^
December 9th, 2013 at 12:19 AM ^
I never would have thought people throwing snow would be a divisive issue.
My only point was to describe a scenario where it's not just throwing snow, much like the OP describes a scenario that isn't just throwing snow.
December 8th, 2013 at 10:45 PM ^
Serious question. A "potential mob" of people are blocking the road and pelting the vehicle with snowballs. What is the legal ramification/ consequence for a driver who continued down the road and hit/injured someone who is blocking the road and throwing snowballs at the car?
December 9th, 2013 at 12:13 AM ^
Simple. An automobile is deadly force. One is not allowed to use deadly force unless the threat is with deadly force, or reasonably believed to be deadly force, and/or to save one's life or the life of another person.
A snowball is not deadly force, unless it's a very large snowball, etc.
So if the driver of the car hits someone, the driver is charged with a felonious assault, or worse depending on whether someone is seriously injured or killed.
The rules are the same for using the deadly force of a shotgun in the same circumstances.
December 9th, 2013 at 12:16 AM ^
But note that in the UT case linked above, the jury decided for the defendant (who had resorted to the deadly force of a shotgun).
Not saying you're wrong, but strange things can happen when you go to trial.
December 8th, 2013 at 11:04 PM ^
Throwing snowballs at a car or willing people is not a big deal. Blocking someone's car who you don't know, throwing snow in their face, and then continuing to throw snowballs at them after they clearly are upset about the incident- not so much. While I don't really think that anyone should be seriously punished for the situation, if I were Coach Helfrich at Oregon I would definitely let the players know that I was upset and they would be running a lot of sprints next practice. This looks pretty bad, I felt uncomfortable watching it..
December 8th, 2013 at 11:36 PM ^
Throwing something at someone is an assualt/battery. What makes a snowball fight OK is that consent is a defense. If I you and I and 100 other folks are having a snowball fight, anyone has a defense to whatever happens with the context of a snowball fight.
What makes this different, and others have commented on it, is the fact that the Professor clearly did not consent and was not happy. That makes it an assault/battery.
Now, realistically, unless the guy was actually hurt there is no way this should get litigated or charges filed. However, these actions violated pretty well accepted societal/ legal norms.
December 8th, 2013 at 11:57 PM ^
Yup, I understand that. I used the word "willing".
December 9th, 2013 at 12:02 AM ^
December 9th, 2013 at 1:03 AM ^
I'm not sure how anyone thinks this is even remotely okay.
December 9th, 2013 at 8:01 AM ^
seems like they talked it out at the end.
December 9th, 2013 at 9:11 AM ^
December 9th, 2013 at 9:14 AM ^
A bunch of college students didn't have class due to the snow and so took the opportunity to have a snowball fight. No problem with that.
Then they started pelting them at cars, I have a problem with that. These things happen though.
Then they stand in the street so a car can't leave and start heaving snowballs at it. In addition they dump buckets of snow at the car. When the man in the car, a retired professor, steps out of his car to confront them. A bucket of snow is dumped inside his car. This has gone past good taste and instead can be very dangerous.
December 9th, 2013 at 9:16 AM ^
December 9th, 2013 at 9:36 AM ^
and pelted with snow by a couple dozen kids while being videoed. Got out to try to extricate himself and had buckets more snow dumped on him. I promise you he was nervous. Does anyone deserve a court date? No, of course not. Does someone deserve pre-breakfast visits with the stadium bleachers? I would think so.
The really cool (if unlikely) dream would be the guys we have (Ferns, Pipkins, and Wormley seem stand up) are being trained to be better than this shit or even provide leadership to stop it.
Glad it wasn't me having my evening wrecked by a mob of kids.
December 9th, 2013 at 9:44 AM ^
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December 9th, 2013 at 1:10 PM ^
A few college students throwing snowballs in a fairly benevolent manner now passes as bullying? I guess bullying is on the eye of the beholder then, because to me that was actually pretty funny.
It seemed to me pretty good-natured and not at all malicious. If you don't like it, just slowly drive through and put it behind you. That was super-soft, fluffy snow and it wasn't hurting anybody or anything. What I would NOT do is go straight up to confront a random girl who seemingly wasn't involved anyway....if you ask me, that guy was kind of a wussy for doing that and deserved a few shots. In that situation, if you step out of the car, you should expect to get pelted.
I'm 46 and maybe I just haven't reached the 'get off my lawn' stage yet (hopefully never will), but I would have laughed and smiled and joined in the joke as I drove through and maybe waved a bit. If I got out of the car, it would have been 'GAME ON' for a snowball fight and some laughs.
TBH, I feel bad for football players/athletes in a way becuase there were a ton of students taking part in that and they get singled out anhd have their names posted/shamed for some fairly innocuous behavior. I would hate to have to walk around worried about people judging my every move all the time.
Where do I find that 'Why so serious?' meme graphic anyway? Consider it posted here.
December 9th, 2013 at 1:22 PM ^
I can't believe some people on here are defending the kids.
December 9th, 2013 at 2:20 PM ^
December 9th, 2013 at 3:38 PM ^
Link to the suspension news:
Oregon tight end Pharaoh Brown is suspended for Alamo Bowl for role in campus snowball fight