Parallels to year 8 Harbaugh year 6
Beilein took over a mediocre Michigan team, and built them back to being respectable. Year 8 hit, and they got blitzed with weird injuries and bad luck, along with playing a bunch of new (young) players. Every post I saw on here was FIRE BEILEIN! Obviously, that didn't happen, and he turned it around. He left on his own terms, and left Michigan in a MUCH better position than what he inherited.
Harbaugh took over a team that was more than mediocre. They were absolutely awful. He came in and immediately brought Michigan back to respectability (raising the fan base's expectations to the level of unreasonable). Year 6 has been crushed with injuries, bad luck, COVID related silliness (less games, no spring practice, season canceled and then reestablished, and last minute opt outs of a few of our best players), and trying to replace the roster with young and inexperienced players. Every post on here is FIRE HARBAUGH!
If our own history of post "FIRE CARR!" hasn't taught us anything......or other "blue blood" programs struggling to find former glory, after replacing coaches......then look no further than our very own basketball program. The difference between a terrible season and a good season could just be 1 year of some experience, less injuries and more experience away. ?
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:01 PM ^
*Oops....meant some luck, less injuries, and more experience*
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:12 PM ^
Why must we keep seeing posts with illogical comparisons? You wanna see a logical parallel? How about this:
Harbaugh year 6, and my toilet clogging up and overflowing because of the MASSIVE turd I gave birth to!
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:44 PM ^
NO PICTURES! to prove anything happened. PLEASE.
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:04 PM ^
in your comparison. is harbaugh the toilet or the turd?
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:09 PM ^
I am Harbaugh. My product is the turd, and the overflow is the inevitable, ugly, messy results ....and I deserved it for eating Taco Bell, which in this case is the comparison to Jim’s management of the football program
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:15 PM ^
Eat less.
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:21 PM ^
How many Kourics did it register?
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:31 PM ^
70 Courics, easy!
November 23rd, 2020 at 12:03 AM ^
My take would be the bowl was clogged with shit the last few years and while most has flushed, the start of this season was cleaning up the mess.
But like Andy Dufresne you come out clean on the other side.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:02 PM ^
Harbaugh isnt a good coach. Beilein was a good coach who went to the final four and won two big ten championships by year 8.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:06 PM ^
He's also the guy that went 10-22 his first season....after taking over a team that just went 22-13.
Harbaugh took over a 5-7 team, and took them to 10-3, his first season.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:22 PM ^
your post however, is trying to compare year 8 of Beilein to year 6 of Harbaugh.
By year 6 of Beilein, Michigan basketball was already clicking...
Beilein had a ton of doubters going into Year 4, despite getting into the round of 32 in his second year, but he won a share of the B1G title in his fifth year
In his 6th year, Beilien's team was national runners up
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:25 PM ^
You don't get trophies for 10 win seasons and S&P top 10 finishes. You get trophies for championships. Harbaugh doesn't have any in his first 6 years, Beilein did.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:30 PM ^
The ONLY way to get trophies is to keep piling up 10 win seasons and S&P top 10 finishes until the ball bounces your way.
You are quantitatively ignorant and objectively dumb.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:40 PM ^
But we’re not piling up 10-win seasons!!!
not counting bowl games he’s won, in order; 9, 10, 8, 10, 9. That’s 40%. Ok, you could give him the one bowl win for another one to get to 60% if you want to be generous.
I would not say that’s “piling them up”. His best season was definitely 2016 and we lost the last 3 games that year. He hasn’t appeared in a championship game of any kind, has lost all OSU games, got dominated in 3/5, soon to be 4/6 of them and has only a .500 record to Michigan State.
Combine all that with the product on the field this year and it’s a MASSIVE regression.
It is you who is objectively dumb.
November 23rd, 2020 at 5:25 PM ^
Cant tell by the usernames if this is one person just arguing with himself?
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^
Why are you the way that you are. Honestly every time they try to rationalize illogical comparisons to defend JH you make it not that way with reasonable logic and facts.
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:58 PM ^
Why are you the way that you are?
November 23rd, 2020 at 7:56 AM ^
Toby, 10 win seasons and top 15+ rankings for Campbell, Allen, Fickell are being drummed up but Harbaugh loses to OSU and it doesn't matter.
And look at Beilein in the NBA...
The truth is that some of you rooting for Harbaugh to get fired are the same ones who rooted for Coach B to get fired as well. Facts.
November 23rd, 2020 at 9:26 AM ^
1) 10 win seasons at Iowa state, Indiana, and Cincinnati are major accomplishments. A 10 win season at Michigan is expected.
2) Harbaugh hasn’t beaten OSU...not even once. It would be one thing to lose half the time or even most of the time but to never win and not be competitive in the majority of the games is a completely different story.
3) Your comment about Beilein in the NBA is ridiculous. The college and pro games are vastly different. What was Saban’s record in the NFL? See how dumb that sounds?
November 23rd, 2020 at 6:37 PM ^
The problem is that if Ohio State is your dip stick, then you are almost always going to come up short. Ohio State under Urban and Day have been out of this world good. Meaning that only Clemson and Alabama can enter that conversation. That's a darn near impossible standard to live up to. Michigan has been unlucky in a number of games which may have taken some of the heat off of Harbaugh but what other coach has out performed Harbaugh in the B1G? Franklin? Franklin has beaten Ohio State once, in a bad weather game and has more wins but Franklin has played an easier schedule than Harbaugh and he has a losing record to Harbaugh. Chryst? Put Michigan in the West and only play Ohio State in cross over games and Harbaugh has the same results, a lot of wins. Big Ten West Titles and losses to Ohio State.
November 23rd, 2020 at 11:52 PM ^
There are several teams not named Clemson and Alabama who have beat Ohio state over the last 6 years. “Ohio state being incredibly good” is not an excuse to lose to them every year
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:02 PM ^
Record wise the team before Beilein was better but the talent levels absolutely were not. Harbaugh inherited one of the most talented Michigan teams in the last 20 years as shown by how many players were drafted in 2017.
Also Michigan hadn't even been to the tournament in ten years and their facilities in basketball were among the Big Ten's worst when Beilein got here compared to Harbaugh who has gotten everything he's asked for. There's no comparison.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:19 PM ^
Beilein isn't at all a correct comparison. It didn't take him 8 years to make the team a contender. They were very good after 2-3 years and consistently a contender thereafter, including 2 Final Fours and a 2-3 league/tournament titles.
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:08 PM ^
I think it’s hard to say he was NEVER a good coach but yea at this point in time I think the evidence points to IS not a good coach.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:03 PM ^
For crying out loud. Stop.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:04 PM ^
First he was Urban, then Dabo, then Brian Kelly.
Looks like we ran out of ludicrous football comparisons, so we on to basketball now. Lmao.
Beilein walked into a dead program and rebuilt it ground up. Harbaugh walked into a top 10 at least stocked cabinet and somehow managed to deplete the roster even on a bedrock of 2 top 10 recruiting classes bc of his stubborn/weird persona.
Imagine if this were any other coach losing in historic program fashion...
The Harbaugh cult is truly something.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:27 PM ^
Not Top-10 anywhere, anyhow in any poll with Morris and Speight at the helm - JH took over some good pieces on both sides of the ball but to say top-10 is way off.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:39 PM ^
You don’t think the players Hoke left over were top 10 talented in the nation? The 2016 and 2015 teams would like a word.
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:05 PM ^
Unless I misunderstood you, you inferred that he inherited a top-10 program which he did not. He definitely inherited pieces, as I indicated, on both offense and defense - needed growth, maturity and good coaching not to mention JR under center - they got all of this with JH coaching not BH - I guess you could say we’re both right.
November 23rd, 2020 at 3:25 AM ^
We haven't run out of football comparisons. It's just that nobody wants to say he's Hoke.
Which either means that we shouldn't have hired him, or that we shouldn't have fired Hoke.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:08 PM ^
My problem with the comparison (though I actually think it is fine to bring up, unlike others): Beilein was known to be a VERY good coach by many. Real X's and O's type guy whom everyone respected as a game strategist. Big difference is that Harbs doesn't seem to have a particular coaching talent.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:10 PM ^
I think the reason most people are ready to move on from Harbaugh is not just the record and youth on the team. It's because week-in-week-out the team looks ill prepared for the opponent, making all kinds of mental mistakes, displaying nonsensical play calling (2nd half against Rutgers was better, at least offensively), obviously bad personnel decisions, and basically incapable of making in game adjustments that the team can execute.
In other words, year 8 struggles under Beilein was about underdeveloped talent not ready to see the court. You could understand the game plan and the strategy, it was just the guys available to play that season were not either ready or able to execute. This team under Harbaugh has the talent and ability to execute and win easily against Michigan State and Rutgers. They should be competitive against Wisconsin who just put up a measly 8 points against Northwestern. The coaches simply are not putting the players in a position to succeed. That is the reason so many people are ready to move on from Harbaugh.
November 23rd, 2020 at 3:27 AM ^
We finally fixed all the penalty problems against Rutgers. Why it took an extra week after Indiana to do that, I do not know.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:12 PM ^
Harbaugh has lost his fire! You can see it in the team and their emotions. They are all just going through the motions and "trying" to execute. He also needs to get rid of those damn glasses that remind me of Woody Hayes!
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:16 PM ^
Pretty sure there was a lot of Beilien supporters during that time frame.
People certainly were not happy, but Beilein actually won things which gave people more confidence in him.
November 23rd, 2020 at 5:23 PM ^
Yeah I agree, there was a lot of JB supporters still at that time because he showed he can win... you know...tough games against anyone, let alone just our rivals.
JH has not shown that with our rivals, or any other fuckin team out there with a pulse.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:19 PM ^
First of all your title is weird and vague.
A better title would be:
Beilein year 8, Harbaugh year 6 parallels.
Anyway, I'm so sick of these excuses, Beilein actually developed guys, especially 2 and 3 star guys, whereas with Harbaugh, 4 and 5 star guys seem to regress.
Also, Harbaugh comes off like a weird cat and Beilein is classy and dignified.
One more thing, Beilein brought in assts. and allowed them to do that voodoo that they do, Harbaugh...not so much.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:21 PM ^
I really wish one of the Harbaugh apologists was self-aware enough to have an honest conversation with. I'm super curious about their need to defend him. They can't all be friends and family.
November 22nd, 2020 at 6:29 PM ^
I’ll defend him for one more year but we definitely need changes at DC and RBs coach - I’m as objective and honest as they come
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:00 PM ^
What have you seen that leads you to believe we're headed anywhere but mediocrity? Have you seen the clock management? Did you see the game plan in overtime last night? He's trying to win games with defense in the era of offense and with a shitty defense. Why was Milton playing, when they clearly wanted him to be a game manager and he clearly is unsuited for that role and they don't run the ball well? I could go on but we can start there.
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:23 PM ^
I cannot argue with anything you said except to say it is an off year - too many playmakers hurt including our best CB and WR opting out - part of our issue is we, as a fanbase, subjectively overhype our players before the season starts without looking at things from a 360-degree approach - I knew this was going to be a rough year especially after AT and NC opted out - we had glaring weaknesses before the season and certainly have added more with injuries piling up. They tried JM under center because he has huge upside - it has not worked - I truly think they should have handed the keys to CM a bit earlier so if you want to criticize JH for that then go right ahead - it’s acceptable. What is not acceptable is some fans thinking that we could lose a ton of playmakers and somehow still honestly believe we should be top-10 because that’s just short-sidedness - we are not that kind of program and anyone who believes that is too used to playing video game football on the easiest settings.
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:27 PM ^
"I cannot argue with anything you said except to say it is an off year"
See you're making me doubt that honest and objective self-assessment, these things have been going on for six years.
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:30 PM ^
You’re welcome to doubt yourself : )
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:35 PM ^
Notice how you deflected away from the substance of the conversation.
November 22nd, 2020 at 7:52 PM ^
Naaa not really - just been involved in sports for too long to firmly know things don’t always go according to plan. If you’re saying that JH has lost his mojo then I guess I can meet you halfway but if your “substance” is that JH has been a failure and a waste for six years well sorry that’s just not being objective and honest.
November 22nd, 2020 at 8:25 PM ^
I didn't say either of those things. I said the things you're excusing because of an "off year" have been going on for his entire tenure. I'm sure you don't see it but you're confirming my thesis, even you don't know why you support Harbaugh.
November 22nd, 2020 at 9:24 PM ^
It’s actually quite simple why I support him...
Pre JH:
2008: 3-9 & 2-6
2009: 5-7 & 1-7
2010: 7-6 & 3-5
2011: 11-2 & 6-2
2012: 8-5 & 6-2
2013: 7-6 & 3-5
2014: 5-7 & 3-5
JH years:
2015: 10-3 & 6-2
2016: 10-3 & 7-2
2017: 8-5 & 5-4
2018: 10-3 & 8-1
2019: 9-4 & 6-3
Fairly cut and dry with me actually my man