OTish Matt Campbell must really love ISU
I know a lot of posters on this board wanted him at Michigan, apparently he turned down 8 years 68.5 million from the Lions. Say what you will about the lions but that kind of money can set you up for life.
Some people don’t center their lives around money like that. Some people are better than me.
....or are probably already wealthy so the extra millions bring little incremental utility to them.
I could use a private jet. I'd have taken the job.
larry, i'm on duck tales
People dramatically overrate the difference in lifestyle between $4 and $8 million a year. If you're settled and happy in your life, all your needs will be met with plenty to spare. Why take a gamble on a job that'll pay you $8 mill for 3-4 years and then, potentially, set you up for a treadmill career as an NFL coordinator or something... moving every few years or so, yo-yoing between various salary grades... when you are already guaranteed like 8 more years of $4 mill in Ames?
And it's the Lions, so there is that.
I think guys who want to coach in the NFL don't turn down NFL jobs. There are only so many of them, and it is a career where you have to strike while the iron is hot. If ISU goes 5-7 next year, is anyone trying to hire him? Probably not. It would be easier to be an NFL retread than to (supposedly) turn down this type of job and try to get a new one.
Well, if you believe the story, (I don't) he probably feels more comfortable in college. But, having said that college success, or the lack thereof, didn't hurt Cliff Kingsbury
There are a limited number of opportunities, and those coaching at a high level tend to believe that they can be the one to be successful at a typically bottom rung organization. Coaching a team in a power NCAA conference or the NFL requires a very healthy ego.
Part of that was also because the Lions were obvious about rebuilding. There were already talks about Stafford wanting to be traded somewhere else. As a college coach transitioning to the NFL, that’s not the best place to walk into. Everybody knows the Lions aren’t gonna do a lot this year. The fruits of their rebuild may not be evident until Year 2 or 3 of Campbell/Holmes era
Seems like that would be a nice position to walk into. Low expectations, multi-year rebuild planned. I don't quite get the Matt Campbell hype since I don't follow Big 12 football, but I would've been more excited to see him coach the Lions than a dude who drew headlines for biting kneecaps and wanting a real Lion at practice NTTAWWT
I'm not buying it. I don't think they wanted everything in the hands of one person, especially one who has no NFL experience. Now, they may have discussed it among themselves seeing as they likely discussed anyone with a pulse. They may have talked to Campbell's agent. But I don't think they were ever serious. I think this is a marketing ploy by Campbell's agent.
Yeah I don't believe this story one bit. The Lions had a very clear set of targets, all of which received interviews. Plus, Matt Campbell didn't fit the profile they were looking for in a head coach one bit. They weren't looking for an x's and o's guy, they wanted someone with leadership traits and someone outspoken. Someone players could rally behind. I don't know much about Matt Campbell but I do know he's nowhere close to the kind of person Dan Campbell is, for better or worse. This story sounds like total BS to me.
Lousy title, OP.
What the article suggests:
- Campbell, like all other reasonable people in football, knows that, until proven otherwise, the Fords are micromanaging buffoons. Maybe Sheila will be different.
- Campbell is relatively young and he'd probably like another head coaching job after things go poorly with the Lions, which they always do (at least since about 1960). Football life (at least in terms of head-coaching jobs) hasn't been great to former Lions head coaches.
Let me guess Michigan had a shot? How is Rich Rod and Hoke doing since Michigan?
Hoke is back at SDSU so I'd say he's doing just fine.
A Lions HC has never gotten another HC position (that I can recall) in my Life time.
Wayne Fontes
Bobby Ross
Gary Mohler
Marty Mornhinweg
Steve Mariucci
Dick Jauron
Rod Marinelli
Jim Schwartz
Jim Caldwell
Matt Patricia
Darrell Bevell
The last couple have a lot of years left to break the trend but I can't imagine why anyone would take the Lion's HC job. It is where coaching careers go to die.
-1 for spelling moeller wrong.
The man was a HC at michigan ffs!
The loins screwed him out of the OSU job(and he's an alum). When he was an interim. This could have totally changed history with no tressel.
I was not aware of this. +1 for the information.
I thought I was going to have a shit day when my shoe lace snapped in half this morning...now I find out that the Lions are responsible for an osu juggernaut? I might as well go back home and start drinking.
Denard says not to worry about the shoelace.
Apologies for the misspell... always been a weakness of mine. If I recall, he did pretty well for the Lions in his short interim stint (Grading on the Lions curve here of course).
Bobby Ross was head coach at Army for 3 yrs.
Man... he must have been quite old. I feel like he was ancient by the time we got him. Thanks for the note there... I stand corrected!
He retired after that job at 70.
Duck Jaroun was actually hired as a HC after getting canned as the interim HC of the lions.
I know a lot of posters on this board wanted him at Michigan, apparently he turned down 8 years 68.5 million from the Lions.
That's about $8.5 million/year. Currently he makes $4 mill/year so he'd be more than doubling his salary which is nothing to scoff about. I doubt he'll quite get there right away, but based on how he's done at ISU he's primed for a blue blood gig, which will probably put him in the $6 mill/year ballpark. So, if he finds a good landing spot that is more likely to successful than the Lions that might be a better long term option.
On a separate note, I'm not sure we ever really got any confirmation whether he would be interested in UM either. I've heard speculation on both sides, but I wonder if he really would be interested in being UM's HC, even if we doubled his salary.
My friends in Ames tell me that ISU *is* a blue blood gig, and their case is at least somewhat convincing. Big 12 powerhouse, 60,000+ butts in the seats every game ...
Some people enjoy being the big fish in a little lake.
I guess they could be the big fish if Oklahoma and Texas left the Big 12.
Your friends in Ames are ridiculous.
....and are on crystal meth no doubt.
Literally no one in Ames thinks that.
My friends in Ames tell me that ISU *is* a blue blood gig, and their case is at least somewhat convincing. Big 12 powerhouse, 60,000+ butts in the seats every game
Since there's arguably only about 8-12 blue bloods, I'd say their stadium is about 20,000 seats short.
You forgot the "/s".
While I'm sure folks in Ames love the Cyclones, the claim that ISU is a "blue blood" football program is completely laughable. There's only a small handful of programs that can lay claim to that characterization with any seriousness:
Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, ND, USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State come to mind first
Maybe Florida, Georgia, Clemson
Once upon a time Nebraska and Tennessee might have been considered. Some might assert that FSU and Miami warranted inclusion, but their football history before the 1980s isn't much.
How is Michigan a blue blood?
Because of dominace during the WWII era and 1 split championship 25 years ago?
How is Michigan a blue blood? Because of dominace during the WWII era and 1 split championship 25 years ago?
It's not just about wins, championships, and bowls, although UM historically has them albeit more in their early history than the past 20 years. But, UM also 3 Heisman's, has the biggest stadium, are consistently are in the top 5 in revenue and profits, have a marquee coach (who used to be in the top 5 in salary), consistently put talent into the NFL, are regularly on national TV, and consistently have top recruiting classes. It's hard to argue UM out of the top 8 historically. Despite their drop below their OSU's status the last 20 years UM is still CFB royalty and have all the resources to return to dominance with the right coach. Even their disappointing seasons for UM standards (5-8 wins) would be good for ISU standards. I think ISU has only won 9 games twice in their history and never won 10 or more. They are on average a .500 program at best.
Michigan as a ‘blue blood’ is questionable after almost 15 years of bleh.
Michigan as a ‘blue blood’ is questionable after almost 15 years of bleh.
While the last 15 years counts, being a blue blood is about the totality of the program's history. Even while being "meh" as you put it, UM still managed to win 9 or more games in 7 of those 15 years including three 10-win seasons and two 11-win seasons while keeping the attendance record and being one of the most profitable programs in the country. There are still a blue blood by everyone's standards despite their more modest accomplishments the last 15 years. The only real differences between UM of old and UM the last 15 years is three losing seasons combined under RR and Hoke and the lack of conference championships, which is more about OSU getting better than UM getting worse. UM is what they have always been, a 9ish win team, minus being competitive with OSU.
“Blue blood” has pretty much nothing to do with recent success though. It’s about prominence, longevity, history, and prestige. Something Michigan HAS a ton of. Doing it, and doing it extremely well for decades. Going back over 100 years.
ESPN had an article that there are 8 blue bloods in football.
Nebraska is in their 8 for the very reasons you and 'Strength are stating.
I wonder how many people in here consider Nebraska a blue blood?!
I wonder how many people in here consider Nebraska a blue blood?!
I would think most still would based on all the reasons why blue bloods are blue bloods. I do think it was a tactical mistake to leave the Big 12, but whatevs. The tradition, history, and all time wins are all there. They obviously are not what they used to. Same goes for Tennessee and USC. But, if you needed recent success AND historical success it would only be Bama, OSU, ND, & Oklahoma. UM, Texas, USC, & Nebraska have all fallen off a bit and Clemson doesn't have the history yet to join in.
go ahead and find me a sijngle person outside of ames that thinks that. i'll wait.
To be fair, he didn't say "smart friends."
Yeah, but where is Ames?
In Iowa.
There isn't a "blue blood" in any college sport in the world who is classified as such if they won their last conference title 2 years prior to the outbreak of the first World War.
Careful, we're nearing that event horizon.
Smells like bullshit
It's quite obvious he's holding out for M