OT: Travis Kelce shoving Andy Reid: acceptable or unacceptable?
Question for the board: I got into a discussion with someone about that moment in the first quarter when Travis Kelce yelled at Andy Reid and shoved him. The person, who claims to have worked in the NFL for 25 years but is a woman so not in a coaching or playing capacity, said those types of things are accepted in the NFL. I disagreed and said if they have that kind of relationship, it's best kept in the locker room because it's a bad look. And if it was so acceptable, why doesn't it happen more often? Football is a game of aggression and tempers flare all the time.
I'm curious what people here think.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:28 PM ^
Pretty tired of KC, particularly Kelce, Taylor and Mahomes.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:53 PM ^
I believe it was Aeschylus who observed that the haters are gonna hate, hate, hate...
February 12th, 2024 at 7:48 PM ^
Seems more like a quote from Medea, but yes
February 12th, 2024 at 9:53 PM ^
I'm sorry, was comparing the OP's question to Greek tragedy a "clever" way of saying the incident bore no reflection?
Man, our standards just keep dropping & dropping...
February 12th, 2024 at 10:59 PM ^
I assure you that you are reading far too much into my comment.
February 12th, 2024 at 7:08 PM ^
Giant unicorn cats make me shove people as well.
February 12th, 2024 at 9:47 PM ^
Not possible
February 12th, 2024 at 6:03 PM ^
KELSY, KC, and Taylor; very tired! Mahomes seems to be a good guy but the constant drum beat on his greatness is starting to wear on me about him too.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:53 PM ^
Why though? He is great.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:54 PM ^
it isn't Mahomes' fault that Tony Romo can't think of anything else to say.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:59 PM ^
Tony Romo was running on fumes last night.
February 12th, 2024 at 9:06 PM ^
That's more than he had in the playoffs for Dallas.
February 12th, 2024 at 9:32 PM ^
I'm glad he pointed out that it was the Super Bowl, 55 times. I had no idea what I was watching without that insight.
February 13th, 2024 at 12:16 AM ^
Should've watched the SpongeBob version
February 12th, 2024 at 9:54 PM ^
Kelsy?!
He's not one of the Mean Girls!
February 12th, 2024 at 6:58 PM ^
I just want everybody to have fun.
February 12th, 2024 at 7:42 PM ^
The circus surrounding Mahomes is so tiresome. He, himself, is fine tho.
February 13th, 2024 at 12:32 PM ^
Even he's getting irritating, he threw a hissy fit when the refs called offensive offsides on the Chiefs when they were CLEARLY offsides and have been doing it ALL YEAR.
February 12th, 2024 at 11:32 PM ^
Clearly this is another sign of Warde Manuel being a weak AD at Michigan.
February 13th, 2024 at 2:03 PM ^
Mahomes is pretty cool. Acts more like an adult. Has a nice family. Does not party like a lot of the immature players on that team.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:29 PM ^
Imagine shoving your boss in any other profession lol.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:51 PM ^
Yeah, but in most other professions there is a power and compensation imbalance at play and an employee could be fired for cause for using a single expletive in rejecting an assignment. Context matters.
In this case the employee makes $14M a year, the supervisor makes $12M a year, both of them are exceedingly large individuals working in a sport which sanctions and encourages far greater violence, and in which profanity* is part of normal conversation. I am struggling to find a reason to care.
*For Andy Reid, this includes phrases like "horse puckey!" and "rats!"
February 12th, 2024 at 7:16 PM ^
and "nuggies"
February 12th, 2024 at 6:13 PM ^
Football isn’t a desk job it’s a contact sport. The dude is passionate and wants win. Who cares. My football coaches almost got into a fist fight because we couldn’t stop Tyrone Wheatley. Everyone making a big deal about this. It’s a competitive sport.
February 12th, 2024 at 8:29 PM ^
To be fair, no one could stop Tyrone Wheatley.
February 12th, 2024 at 9:00 PM ^
Wheatley rushed for 200 yards playing QB, st end of the game the put him at RB. It was over at HT.
February 12th, 2024 at 10:05 PM ^
Great point. Let’s list all the other times NFL players have shoved their 65 year-old coaches on the sidelines. I can’t think of any, but I’m sure you can. And since it’s a “competitive sport,” and all sports are competitive, we must see it everywhere, all the time. But I can’t think of any examples in other sports, either. Not quite the same thing, but maybe everyone overreacted to Latrell Sprewell, too? Maybe he was just being competitive?
February 13th, 2024 at 8:52 AM ^
It all depends who is doing the pushing. If that had been someone like Toney, it would have been enough to have him let go, but because it's Kelce nothing will be done. I don't care if it's normal, acceptable or whatever, if I was the coach he'd be gone. It's a matter of respect and authority. How can Reid be seen as having any authority when his players push him if they're upset.
February 13th, 2024 at 1:07 PM ^
Correction. To quote the late great Wayne Woodrow Hayes, football is not a contact sport, it is a collision sport. Ballroom dancing is a contact sport.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:31 PM ^
I was surprised that there wasn't a bigger uproar about his behavior. Maybe he finally did something that the Foxsnooze crowd could get behind?
And then, of course, I was worried about Taylor, my spirit animal--has she got herself mixed up with an abuser? We need her around at least until the election. :)
February 13th, 2024 at 11:36 AM ^
you should see when they play euchre!
February 13th, 2024 at 11:54 AM ^
Normalize shoving your boss when he's wrong!
February 13th, 2024 at 3:27 PM ^
The coach isn't really the boss is pro sports. More like a team lead peer.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:31 PM ^
It's unacceptable, and that right there represents the entirety I'm going to spend thinking about this.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:37 PM ^
My opinion is who fucking cares.
February 12th, 2024 at 10:00 PM ^
It is "unacceptable" except that everyone on this board, and I'll assume virtually everywhere, are accepting it, and mocking those who thought it was a big deal.
Let's just say that not so very long ago it would have been unacceptable. But then they invented social media.
Thanks Zuckerberg!
February 13th, 2024 at 8:24 AM ^
Sorry, but I haven't seen anyone who is accepting it. All I've seen is people mocking it and him, but lightly. After all, you can't vehemently oppose the current media-selected darling without losing social points.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:31 PM ^
I would assume the acceptability of it depends on the coach and the relationship between that coach and player. I also think it looked for of a shove than it actually was. Even Reid commented after that Kelce caught him when he was already off balance.
February 12th, 2024 at 7:09 PM ^
So--wait--it's somehow more okay because Reid was off balance? I don't see the logic here. My default is set on: Screaming at and pushing an elderly man is really not okay. And I don't say that as someone with an agenda against Kelce; I've kind of enjoyed how uncomfortable he and his girlfriend make people.
February 12th, 2024 at 8:28 PM ^
I'm saying that it looks like a shove because Reid was off balance and even he was laughing about the situation. When you are off balance even a slight nudge can make you fall. So what looked like a shove could have been much less it just looks worse. But really it comes down to their relationship. Also what was said has a big part of it. You can't make a judgement on something without all of the context. In the end Reid was laughing about it and was not upset about the situation. So really it is not an issue.
February 12th, 2024 at 10:53 PM ^
Well said, and played. And I guess I mostly accept that? I don't think he should be pilloried. But screaming at an old man on national TV. . . in the end still uncool, at least to me. The internet goes will overboard in condemning these things sometimes, but it would have been neat to see Kelce apologize, hug the guy.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:31 PM ^
I'm going to give the useless opinion that I don't really like it, but Kelce is 34 years old and Reid has 25 years as a head coach, and both of them seem to be functioning adults, so they can set their boundaries wherever they're comfortable.
February 13th, 2024 at 1:26 AM ^
Nah, they're too public of figures for the whatever happens in Vegas attitude about the confrontation. And public figures in the highest viewed TV program of the year.
People defending it (and negging anyone on this board who thought it was not cool) shows that it's not just about their personal boundaries.
It moves the needle on how we all perceive & accept that kind of interaction.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:31 PM ^
It’s not a good look but I don’t think it’s a big deal.
We don’t know the circumstances but it seems like a guy that’s fired up and wants to win.
Seems to me like it is between them.
February 12th, 2024 at 5:32 PM ^
What a kiss!! But when's the proposal??!
Oh wait - the shove? If they'd lost, I can see how it could have become a thing (rightfully or not). With the W, this will quickly be forgotten.
Now about that engagement ring...