That Saban to the NFL topics are as poignant as Brett Favre rumors, but it's Friday, and there really isn't a lot of other board worthy topics.
OT: Saban to the NFL?
I would tend to say he's gone, but the control he has at Alabama could be too much to give up. He wasn't wildly successful at Miami, but this is a deeply arrogant man, who probably thinks he can win at every level. Thoughts?
There just isn't anything that should be put on the board even if you're bored. You missed the board anyway.
Like I meant to put that on there, obviously I didn't.
Why is this in the diary section? Seems fine for MGoBoard, not diary.
Personally, this is the biggest reason I am pulling for Bama to win the MNC this season. Should Bama win, I think Saban will feel as though he has accomplished all he can at the CFB level and try to give the NFL another go to get the bad taste of failure that he experienced at that level out of his mouth before he retires.
Nfl is a different game. Is more like a hockey coach going to coach baseball. I doubt very much that Saban will ever coach again in the nfl, not because he is not a good enough coach, but because he is a college football coach, not an nfl coach. Just like chip Kelly will learn the hard way, just because u r good at one has nothing to do w the other.
After watching Russell Wilson run the zone read against Buffalo more then he did his entire season at Wisky I'm not so sure anymore. Kelly might well pull it off.
why is this a diary?
Forgot to switch it before I posted.
I live in northern Ohio
I love football
I go to lots and lots of Cleveland Browns games
The Browns suck
Pat Shurmer sucks
I really, really really hope this is true!
He lives near Cleveland. That has to suck. Give him a break.
I don't think so. What is sleazy in college isn't sleazy in the NFL. The reason Saban is sleazy is because he runs a college program like a business, but that's what the NFL is. They aren't young, they aren't students, and they make a ton of money. You aren't making empty promises to kids' parents, and you can cut whoever you want when they aren't good.
I don't like Saban as a person, but I would have no problem cheering for him as my NFL team's coach.
I would like to add that within ten years, Saban won't seem nearly as "sleazy" to many as he does now. He might even be seen as "ahead of his time." In the NCAA, programs and coaches are rewarded for cheating, denial, and covering their tracks. Bama, Ohio State, and USC have figured this out.
That's why I want to see players allowed to take money from any booster who wants to pay them: players can take advantage of their market value, while teams like Michigan can compete on a level playing field with the cheaters. Everybody would win here.
...but maybe we can figure out a way to pay them with something else that could be as valuable as cash to them. Like maybe, an education...
Except, an overwhelming majority (football, basketball) are unable to take advantage of this "education" because they didn't develop the tools in K-12 to do so.
I think this drastically overstates things. I would say it is by far a minority of scholarship athletes that are not prepared academically. Most of the football and basketball players at schools not in the SEC do just fine when they move on to their professional lives.
There literally are millions of college graduates who are working at jobs that pay in the $30-50,000 range. Now factor in the fact that all but a tiny sliver of college graduates make what a minimum NFL player makes($500,000) and I fail to see the validity of your point.
Education is a mixed bag. Yes, in certain fields(business, medicine, engineering) a person can make well over six figures. But for the vast majority of fields one isn't going to make anywhere near that.
I suppose you can say that education's real value is in how it frees the mind by removing the manacles of ignorance. But one can, if so blessed with the wealth brought by a professional football contract, educate themselves through taking courses on specific subjects they wish to learn as well as interaction with peoples across the globe on travel made possible by the aforementioned wealth.
To put it simply, give me the cash. That cash gives me the opportunity to buy myself an education that only the brightiest and wealthiest among us can afford.
This won't allow a person to say they have a degree but it would probably be pretty impressive to interviewers that an applicant spent his/her time to do online courses that are taught at world class institutions like our very own U of M.
I agree that a traditional 4-year degree is increasingly becoming cost ineffective (though try getting a decent job without one) but there are other options online out there for people.
tiered based upon what kind of job you are looking for. If you want to be a nurse, a community college suffices. If you want to be a doctor, go to UM. If you want to be lawyer, go to UM. If you want to be a paralegal or computer technician, you can go anywhere.
Universities are becoming so expensive that we will see the rise of trade schools and apprenticeships for those who are unable to pay for school out-of-pocket or those unwilling to go into significant debt for an education that guarantees nothing.
used to work.
for totally deflating my joke.
Is way more than a lot of these atheletes could make without a college degree. Unlike the other students, however, these atheletes have no student loans to pay off.
with Saban coaching the Lions (my team)
I'm not too fond of that idea. Saban flamed out because he is a dictator and also kind of a dick. The authoritarian schtick works in college because you can always threaten to kick a diva off the team. I would love to see Saban try doing that with a guy who makes 4-5 times his paycheck and can afford to sit out for a season for standing up to him. Would you want to pay a premium salary to a guy who sprinted out the NFL once already after his team got sick of his attitude and quit on him? I wouldn't.
The last two weeks, he had a QB chucking a deep ball up by over 50 points, and his team ran a fake punt last week up by over 30.
It's ok in the NFL.
you go to vomit before you attend or watch a game. Have you noticed what a good many of the players have done?
Not in the least bit. It's like other NFL teams are playing a different sport.
so I wouldn't get too excited. He also abandoned the team in the middle of the season, since he was interviewing with Bama.
He knows it's just a matter of time before the NCAA catches up with him and the shenanigans gong on in the ESS EEE SEE. Plus it will be enjoyable to hear Paul Finebaum and the redneck nation whine and pout about his departure.
As a used-to-be diehard Miami Dolphins fan, I had a chance to follow him as the coach of my favorite team for two plus seasons. Here are the reasons:
- First of all, it was very, very tough to pry him from LSU. It was almost like he didn't really want to go pro but his ego telling him that he had to prove he could win there forced him to. The Phins at that time was a marquee coaching destination. They still had a good defense(Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas) and the number two pick in the draft coming up.
- He will never enjoy the power he wields at the college level. He berates his assistants. He scares college players to death, but pro players, especially when things aren't going well, tend to push back to those tactics. Even the players that liked him just tolerated his attitude. A Dolphins employee dared to say 'Good morning' in the hallway to him and his special teams coach warned that employee to never do that again or he/she'll get fired. He bullied media, which he still does, but towards the end of his second year the Miami media really had an axe to grind, and that all came out when he left.
- He can't out-recruit every team like he does in college. He didn't draft well at all, and mind you he inherited plenty of draft picks. Word was he just couldn't make his mind on who to pick, making every draft choice an agonizing selection. He made one mistake choosing Culpepper over Brees, and that basically wrote his story at Miami.
- One of the strongest reasons he quit was his wife. She liked being a college HC's wife where she is the queen of that little kingdom. She didn't have as much influence in Miami's diverse culture and where she was just about middle in the pecking order, the owner(and his wife) being higher-ups.
- He never struck me as a genius coach. Sure, he's friends with Bellichick, but being a close friend of a genius does not equal you being a genius. He can coach defense, especially DBs as long as they don't revolt. But it's not at BB's level.
I know, too many words but simply put, he's not going pro because he can't bully everybody the way he does in college.
I'm not sure I buy your reason #2. Saban may be gruff to outsiders, but my impression is that his players love him. Perhaps he's a strong personality, but if he were pulling the kind of garbage that, say, Mike Leach apparently tries, we would hear about it. And he would have trouble recruiting.
"But wait," you say, "He recruits well because Alabama pays its players under the table." This is quite possibly, even probably, true; but then, so do a lot of his competitors. If he were a less pleasant guy to play for than Les Miles or Dan Mullen or the coach du jour at Auburn, the players would go there.
And he seems to know how to coach; Alabama didn't take four years of buying the best players to get good--they were national title contenders within two years. Saban's coaching is a large part of why they are so good. It sure helps to have a lot of talent, as they do now, but Lloyd Carr and Mack Brown can tell you that being loaded with talent alone doesn't win national championships.
Two guys who have won national championships.
the point is that the talent on both teams would indicate that both teams should have one more than one under those coaches
Yes, but two guys that probably should have had at least one more.
Perhaps one of the all-time best. Not denying that. And even more the reason why I think he'll stay. The way I understand it, strong personalities work better in college than they do in the NFL. Unless your name is Parcells, massaging egos is a critical part of the pro game. But in college, you can woo HS players and parents under the name of 'strong leadership'.
I didn't think I was 'bagging' Saban, but I guess I was in the sense I don't worship him the way a lot of others do. Coaching ability-wise I said he's a good coach but not at the level of Bill Belichick. BB's genius is his flexibility, whereas the impression I get from Saban is he's pretty rigid. And you don't hear BB making his staff absolutely miserable the way Saban did(or does, I don't know what the story is at Bama).
I think his real strength is the ability to have total control over all aspects of the program. That's recruiting, information control, details, everything. But it's impossible maintain the same level of control at the NFL.
Manuel Wright disagrees with your 2nd point. He can intimidate NFL players. He made a DT cry during his first camp with the Dolphins.
As a former Phins fan, I'm familiar with that episode. Wright was what, a fifth round supplemental draft player? That kid wasn't an established pro like Zach Thomas was. He was a rookie, and not even a first rounder with some leverage. That episode further shows how Saban tries to intimidate players.
Take it with a grain of salt as it was in an interview with his wife Terry and not from Nick himself, but a couple of weeks ago Terry expressed that football at Alabama was no longer as fun for Nick as it was while building the program. She said victories now only bring a feeling of relief instead of a joy as 'Bama is now always supposed to win. She also said that they had no plans on leaving Alabama, so take it as you will. However, it is an interesting point that she made.
I'd love to see the reaction in Tide nation if that were to happen. And I'd also like it if Bama went back to being the joke they were when they hired him, after beating Notre Dame of course.
The NFL is snatching yo peoples up!!! So ya better hide yer kids, hide yer wife and hide yer coaches, cuz they raping erbody out here.
Now we have winged terrorists?
As long as he goes after they destroy ND
- Source says there's no chance
- But here's all the reason's I think he's going to go anyway!
Personality-wise, he fits in much better in the NFL. College coaches really need to have pleasant personalities to be able to schmooze parents, alumni, the media, donors, etc. Pro coaches, for the most part, don't have to deal with any of that. Dicks just don't last that long as major college coaches today even if they win consistenly. Sooner or later, they just can't stand having to act like decent human beings all the time.
I agree 100% on his personality. Disagree 100% that pro coaches don't have to deal with any of that. You can't scare pro players the way Saban scares his college players. And you absolutely have to kiss behinds of, the owner to start with, and depending on the structure of the team perhaps the GM.
In college you are king as long as you recruit well and win games. We saw that movie at Penn State.
do you think alabama students and alums give a crap that he has a less than stellar personality? do you think boosters care? no. they care that he wins. as long as he wins, he can act however he wants. there's a reason he's considered one of, if not the most powerful man in college sports. saban's players may or may not care, but as long as they're winning under him, i'm sure they'll find a way to tolerate him and embrace his system. its not like he's on the cusp of winning his 3rd national title in 4 years.
Come on Nick...stay focused on the task ahead of you. Your current job is destorying ND, then you can be distracted by the NFL all you want.
Shurmur played for Saban at State - sort of. I think Shurmur was a center and Saban the DC but still, that would be kind of cold. And just like Nick.
after Saban leaves. C'mon we need that. I think having guys like Saban around in college football is a good thing - like Charlie Weis, Lane Kiffin and Urban Meyer. You can't kill off the best characters in this movie!
Removing the objects of so much hate is an impossible idea. There would be a vaccuum of such destructive power, I don't know what would happen to the game. The earth would probably tilt a few degrees and we'd all spin off into space. No, we can't have that.
Pete Carroll wasn't the most successful guy in his first NFL stint either.
Cleveland is like home to him, Trent Richardson is there, and the Browns are the youngest team in the NFL. If he were to jump, Cleveland would be the team.
Whenever i hear about Saban and the NFL I always think of the Jeno James story:
to leave Alabama. The guy has a statue already. He's been there what? Six years?
He could be the Governor of Alabama tommorrow if he wanted it.
the NFL and Chip Kelly to Alabama - starting the rumor now
pretty interested to see how Chip Kelly's offense would do in the SEC
See Florida under Meyer, Urban.
Forever the nomad, Saban will leave Alabama after they win the BCS. All we need for confirmation at this point is a quote saying his dream job is coaching Alabama and he would never leave.
Heh. Some of the people who are bagging on Saban at least realize the truth of the matter: If we had enjoyed the five-year stretch of success he has enjoyed, we wouldn't care if our coach was a grump with the media. We didn't even complain about Lloyd's little media scrums and he was a lot less successful than Saban. If Michigan were winning national titles and somehow had deluded ourselves into thinking that our grumpy, sour coach was winning clean, we would be making statues of him too. No matter what kind of a jerk he is.
It wouldn't bother me too much if Michigans coach was a grumpy and not very nice guy, but I would be deeply bothered if our coach was a known cheater. I would have a hard time loving this team to death if I knew our program was dirty.
Saban is just pulling a Hatter, leveraging his value for a fat raise w no intention of leaving.
i don't see saban leaving. he has a perfect setup at alabama, is easily the most powerful man on campus, and as long as he keeps winning, answers to no one. he has complete authority over his team, something he would have to give up in the nfl. he'd clash consistently with the owners and the gm, and he'd be out looking for another college job by year 3.
No way he leaves. He has it too good at Alabama. He has no control over nfl players. He's too much of a control freak.
You can be as sarcastic as you want. Get over it.
This is all just a a big distraction orchestrated by the ND fan base so they'll have a shot at the MNC.
/removes tin foil hat
/on second thought, not a bad strategy
There is nothing arrogant about thinking you can win.
Saban is a good coach, good recruiter, and has a history of developing kids to get to the NFL. Also, never been seriously investigated for NCAA violations.
He just wins, so we all need to get over it.
If Saban doesn leave, let's speculate who Bam would hire as their new HC. I think it would without question be Kirby Smart. I find it interesting that Smart hasn't taken a head job anywhere else and I think it's because he's holding off for this one.
Saban won't leave. He knows that his greatest asset is recruiting. He was, and will be, just be another guy in the NFL.
Reading this, I started thinking what if the NFL went after Meyer. Imagine him leaving OSU after going 12-0 and never giving them a shot at a MNC. Especialy after the fans in Ohio predicting at least 2 MNCs in the next 4 years.
The style that Nick Saban has perfected at Alabama - "The Process", as he terms it (ref. link to Washington Post article) - has been written about in a few business magazines, and even if he took on one more NFL stint (which is highly unlikely, given his excellent situation and the fact that he is 61 years old and seems aware in interviews that the pro ship has likely sailed), I have doubts that Saban's micromanagement of the daily routine of his players would sit well with an NFL team.
Saban, per the article linked here, has been known to get as detailed as wanting to know the specific lifting routines of players, not to mention weekly reviews and the occasional seminar regarding whatever he feels is hot in the world of player development. It works wonders at the college level if you have the support and the budget, as we see, but he would have to re-invent or even scrap this in a move, a move he'd be a fool to make anyway at this juncture.
Stranger than Saban to the Browns is why the Browns would fire Shurmur right now. The Browns are 5-9 and have been competitive in every single game this season.
Saban will go NFL about fifteen minutes after the NCAA announces an investigation into Bama.
Specifically oversigning and the use of "injury" designations to free up scholarships. Now that it is "official" NCAA policy that the head coach can no longer profess innocence by being insulated from activities of his underlings, it'll happen.
But not before.
That worked out so well for him in Miami. People here still hate him for his time with the Dolphins...
I don't question Saban's coaching ability, but I also don't that he has the creativity to be successful in an environment where talent parity is more the norm than in college. At MSU, he had 5 or 6 win seasons until 1999. Arguably, D'Antonio has done more there. At Alabama he has more talent than anyone in the country and will going forward. I can't imagne why he would he leave.
Alabama makes me sick .... along with the rest of the SEC. My son started telling me that LSU is his second favorite team this year.
At least Les Miles is of the proper pedigree...