OT - [REDACTED] Loves Notre Dame
I'm a fairly insensitive prick and usually when I hear some advocacy group demanding an apology I just roll my eyes. But...goddamn. What sort of environment do they have going on in South Bend?
http://glaadblog.org/2010/01/14/glaad-demands-apology-and-retraction-of…
January 15th, 2010 at 10:05 PM ^
Wowza. That is a truly awful cartoon.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:07 PM ^
yeah, they'll be done in that position
January 15th, 2010 at 11:41 PM ^
What does this have to do with Tim Hardaway? Just because of the homophobic comments he made a couple years back before the All-Star Game? I don't think there is any sort of connection, so it would be best to change the title probably.
That being said, publishing the cartoon is not funny and way over the line. If it were a similar joke about a black person, the cartoon would never have ran and the person would have been fired for just turning it in to the publisher for print.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:46 AM ^
Title modified, but only slightly since I'm not creative enough at this time of night.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:16 PM ^
The joke was definitely clever and witty, but publishing it in a student newspaper is certainly in poor taste.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:20 PM ^
I was wondering what Leon had to say on the subject. Case closed. Leon has spoken. ;)
January 15th, 2010 at 10:24 PM ^
i think we have different definitions of "clever" and "witty." for example, i usually don't use those words to describe hateful and inflammatory language.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:37 PM ^
C'mon.....you can lighten up a little bit about it. That joke is absolutely more clever and witty than simply printing the words, "Beat up homosexuals with a baseball bat" on the page.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:53 PM ^
You should qualify this. The joke would be witty and clever if you are telling it to people who know you well enough to know that you aren't a homophobic asshole. I have many gay friends, and amongst ourselves, something like this would be witty because we know it is completely sarcastic and most gay people like to make fun of themselves for being gay. But if you don't know the person saying it, then many people would immediately think "Wow! Wtf man?"
But printing it in the paper, is just plain stupid and wrong.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:04 PM ^
In my first post, I mentioned it was a joke in poor taste.
I am not a fan of excessive political correctness though. It will eventually become a detriment to society.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:34 PM ^
The surprising thing about this is that the gay rights blog that brought this to our attention hasn't been infected and killed by some sort of deadly computer virus yet. How's that for political correctness?
January 15th, 2010 at 11:53 PM ^
Indeed. It is also possible that the homophobe crowd still uses MS-DOS, though.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:07 PM ^
Just because it is "more clever" than literally saying "beat up gays with bats" doesn't make it clever and witty. Suggesting that violence is the best way to deal with homosexuals, as if they are some sort of disease on society, is absolutely not okay in any way, no matter what kind of "joke" you are hiding behind
January 15th, 2010 at 11:12 PM ^
Ok, I will clarify again. Apparently a desire to be politically correct is clouding rational thought for you.
THE PLAY ON WORDS IS THE FUNNY/CLEVER PART. NOT THE SUBJECT MATTER.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:19 PM ^
Oh, shut up. This is not a case of political correctness. People love to throw that phrase around when others take offense to their jokes because, hey, it's just a joke, right? And I'm taking it too seriously because I don't think jokes about beating minorities are funny, right? I should just chill
Bullshit. If you want to make jokes about race or sexuality, absolutely go for it. But when your punchline is "kill or injure them seriously to discourage their sexual preference," you are not being witty or clever in any way. The play on words wouldn't exist without the subject matter, they coexist.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:42 PM ^
We may have to "agree to disagree" on this one.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:05 AM ^
PC is not calling your secretary hun or calling an African American an African American instead of a negro. There is nothing that sets off the PC meter here. This is just a hateful cartoon.
January 16th, 2010 at 2:22 AM ^
I don't see how promoting violence against gays is at all witty or funny. Just because something is less obvious or blatant does make the message any less meaningful and hateful.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:03 PM ^
This here board is going straight overboard with the PC stuff lately. You people...
January 15th, 2010 at 11:11 PM ^
I don't think it was clever AND witty. Jokes about bludgeoning gay men to the point of brain damage just don't have that "oomph" that I think is needed to qualify as both clever AND witty.
Now if the cartoonist could have worked in some reference to raping a child's corpse, then I'd have to agree.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:02 AM ^
How is it clever or witty? It looks like a 1960's KKK cartoon. That is about how long it has been since the word "fruit" was used in that manner on a regular basis.
Excuse me, but as someone who has been non-violent since 1970, I just can't find anything remotely funny about it. I don't have any particular affinity for any particular group being stereotyped; I think all stereotypes are damaging, both to the person being stereotyped and the intellect of the person making the stereotype.
As for the violence, I wouldn't even find it funny if someone made a cartoon about beating OSU fans into paralysis with a baseball bat. There is a point where it's just too dangerous to be funny.
January 16th, 2010 at 9:32 AM ^
this poster. But I have to ask, if you are truely non-viloent, why are you so hateful in your comments at other locations? You have to know that words can incite violence. And while name calling is not itself violent, it can lead to violence, at least when one is not protected by the internet. Now, it is just a question. Please don't get in a rage.
January 16th, 2010 at 10:33 AM ^
The joke was neither clever nor witty.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:32 PM ^
I really think you should change the title of this thread.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:33 PM ^
When I first read it I thought that Tim Hardaway Jr was considering going to Notre Dame.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:47 PM ^
that he had already sent it his LOI and you stopped being paranoid?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:10 AM ^
What would Tim Hardaway Jr think about his dad being associated with this crap? Or about a "Michigan Fan" being the person who did it. Allen Iverson made a rap record with deragatory words towards gays and violence toward women. If you insist on bringing an athlete's past transgressions into this, why don't you call it "Allen Iverson loves Notre Dame?"
I hope Brian or Tim change or censor the name of this thread.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:41 PM ^
The joke was definitely off color. It was definitely in poor taste. It never should have been published. I can't help that I still laughed. I'm an insensitive prick, I'm a huge fan of dead baby jokes.
What's the difference between a truck full of bowling balls and a truck full of dead babies??? You can't unload the bowling balls with a pitchfork.I can't help that I chuckled when I heard the first barrage of jokes about Haiti. As awful as that is and as awful as I felt about it afterwards, the joke was still funny. It's the kind of humor that should stay private though.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:43 PM ^
How do you make a dead baby float?
Two scoops of ice cream one scoop of dead baby.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:55 PM ^
How many babies does it take to paint a house?
Depends how hard you throw them.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:32 PM ^
What's the only thing grosser than 1000 dead babies in a tree?
One dead baby in a thousand trees.
What has four legs and an arm?
A doberman in a nursery.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:58 PM ^
South Park clip when Cartman contracts HIV:
January 16th, 2010 at 12:42 AM ^
Sorry, I don't buy it: you can help that you laugh at inappropriate jokes. Private or not, there's nothing funny about beating gays and there's nothing funny about 50,000+ dying in Haiti.
Mature and learn compassion. It turns out that there's a lot that's funny out there, it just tends not to involve deep human suffering.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:15 AM ^
I don't have a truckload of bowling balls on my carport.OK, moving on.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:51 PM ^
I liked the original punchline better--"AIDS". Call me old fashioned, but I guess I'm a sucker for a good AIDS joke.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:02 PM ^
But that punchline doesn't even make sense. People don't become brain dead from AIDS.
Man, that was one fucked up cartoon.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:48 AM ^
Maybe the editor originally changed the punchline so it would make better sense.
EDIT. Linked article above contains link to the OBSERVER's (paper that ran cartoon in question) apology (here). One commenter in article linked above suggests that the asst. editor who approved the cartoon had no idea the word "fruit" was a derogatory term, read it literally and had no idea the cartoon was hurtful. The other commenters eat this one alive.
It took several comments here before I even understood what the thread title was supposed to mean.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:59 PM ^
It's not like ND is a major university or anything with policies around tolerance etc.
As a person who has friends/family who fall into that demographic gay/lesbian I will say that's the most pathetic cartoon I have seen in quite some time (I mean, seriously, try some originality even). Then again, it *is* ND.
It's never difficult to respect other people.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:47 PM ^
thread sucks. From the OP who puts Tim Hardaway in the equation (remember his son is coming to play basketball here), to the fact that the thread points out that ND should be above letting this kind of crap be published only to have Mgobloggers actually say they think it is funny, or unoffensive. Im with CrankthatDonovan...this is not about being PC. Violence against gays DOES happen, and is not fucking funny in the least bit.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:58 PM ^
This will be my last post on the thread.
THE VIOLENCE AGAINST GAYS IS NOT WHAT IS FUNNY ABOUT THE JOKE.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:06 AM ^
All caps does not make your argument valid
January 16th, 2010 at 10:36 AM ^
THE VIOLENCE AGAINST GAYS IS NOT WHAT IS FUNNY ABOUT THE JOKE.
You're right. What is funny about the joke is nothing. Also, keep your voice down.
This will be my last post on the thread.
Probably a good idea. Maybe you should take a couple of plays off.
January 16th, 2010 at 3:25 PM ^
This statement had to be made?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:14 AM ^
This cartoon appearing in a paper is not funny in the least. But something like this could be funny if it was said only in the company of people who know each other very well and know that the people in the group are supporters of the lgbt community. Maybe I am just a gay person with a sick sense of humor...in fact, I know I am. But I enjoy dark and sarcastic humor when I am among friends. Not when it is printed in a newspaper though or said in front of people you don't know.
I agree with your sentiment though MadtownMaize...if only because you correctly predicted that 15-20 Sparty football players would put on ski masks and assault men and women a while back.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:21 AM ^
who has read many of my posts knows I love a good joke. I also love to make fun of small segments of the population (Sparties, Buckeyes and Domers (sorry Irish, I do like you)). I like to leave violence and real life minorities who are persecuted against in the real world alone.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:28 AM ^
but then we'd be attacked with bats, lol
January 16th, 2010 at 12:42 AM ^
And as a persecuted minority myself, I appreciate that!...long pause...silence...awkwardness...KNIBB HIGH FOOTBALL RULES!!!
January 15th, 2010 at 11:50 PM ^
ND is one classy Catholic university. I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic school 1-6 and I find that cartoon deplorable. Just one more reason to hate ND and question the dogmatic beliefs I grew up with.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:11 AM ^
Right because the student newspaper speaks for the entire University of Notre Dame and of course represents the views of the entire student populous
/sarcasm
January 16th, 2010 at 12:11 AM ^
I have been questioning the religion I was raised with for years. I think it is healthy to challenge things I have been force fed. And I never said that paper speaks for the entire university. I said it was another reason to hate ND.