OT: Notre Dame's Leprechaun The Fourth-Most Offensive Mascot

Submitted by m1817 on August 25th, 2021 at 1:23 AM

In a mascot study conducted by Quality Logo Products, Notre Dame's leprechaun was named fourth-most offensive.  The top three most offensive mascots wear face paint, headdresses and are culturally insensitive to Native Americans (Osceola and Renegade of Florida State, the Aztec Warrior of San Diego State and Vili the Warrior of the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

 

College mascot article from USA Today

In the same survey, Purdue Pete was named the creepiest mascot.

 

B-Nut-GoBlue

August 25th, 2021 at 1:39 AM ^

I don't have any dogs in these fights because I don't care enough...mostly about people clamoring to traditions in the face of people claiming they're offensive; I'll pretty much side with the latter.  However, here, I was under the impression FSU has always been in talks with and gotten permission (encouragement even) from the Seminole (Florida) Nation about the 'usage' of Chief Osceola as a mascot, etc..

Now maybe the Oklahoma faction of Seminole is where the issue lie or even Native American Indians as a whole have issue with FSU's usage of them.  Otherwise I'm confused as to how Chief Osceola, Renegade, and FSU top the list.

NotADuck

August 25th, 2021 at 2:15 AM ^

The Seminole Tribe of Florida had made a public statement of support in 2005, allowing the university to use the tribe's name, logos, and images.

https://unicomm.fsu.edu/messages/relationship-seminole-tribe-florida/

As far as I know, the Aztecs have not been around for hundreds of years so I'm not sure who could find that one offensive.  Also, I couldn't find anything regarding support from a local tribe for the University of Hawaii's use of polynesian imagery.

From what I've read regarding Notre Dame's mascot, most people in Ireland have little knowledge of the university itself.  Most don't know of it's existence.

None of this is to say that any of these universities are right or wrong, I'm just putting some info from a few quick google searches out there.

Personally, as long as the imagery used isn't cartoonish or exaggerated to a near comical/uncomfortable extent (re: the Cleveland Indians old logo), I find no problem with the use of historical figures/peoples in sports.  Then again, I'm not Native American, polynesian, or Irish.

getsome

August 25th, 2021 at 8:41 AM ^

morality gangsters.  victimhood has become the highest virtue and emotion and feels rule the western world.  its cancerous. 

makes it more difficult to reach consensus when a legit grievance actually occurs.  one can be a decent person without publicly emoting or one can make calculated, meaningful change without looking to score virtue points via social media - wild concepts, i know.  parents do better.  end rant

kdhoffma

August 25th, 2021 at 2:00 PM ^

Regarding Aztecs, are you suggesting that the conquest of the mesoamericana groups during the 16th century (and later) resulted in their dna and cultural identity being lost forever amongst modern peoples of that region?

Personally I’ll err on the side of respecting the wishes of any group who can claim a legit lineage to any indigenous people… especially those dehumanized for natural resources.

Monkey House

August 25th, 2021 at 6:49 AM ^

Washington had numerous native Americans come out and say they had zero issue with their name and logo. The family of the man who their helmet was drawn from came out in protest of changing the logo. 41 high schools, all native American schools, still go by Redskins with same logo. It's not about the people that are supposedly being racially offended, it's about appearing woke and better than everyone else.

evenyoubrutus

August 25th, 2021 at 1:31 PM ^

It's about as easy as any random American logging on to a forum and talking about social justice while not ever volunteering at a soup kitchen or delivering Christmas presents to families who can't afford anything or feeding kids at summer camps who wouldn't otherwise eat because the only food they get is at school. For example.

RAH

August 25th, 2021 at 1:35 PM ^

Actually, the reality is the opposite. Numerous surveys of Native Americans found that the great majority simply did not care. It was unimportant to them. Consequently, the reality is that this is a matter of white guys (males and females) telling Native Americans that they should be offended.

BuddhaBlue

August 25th, 2021 at 1:52 PM ^

It also came to light that a few of the "grassroots" efforts/campaigns by Native american supporters in favor of keeping the name were run by PR firms paid by Snyder/WFT

And that some of the "native american" Redskins name supporters that the team paraded out turned out to be not actually native american. This includes the original person whom the original Redskins namen supposedly honored, "Lone Star" Dietz, who possibly lied about his heritage and probably lied about his identity

enlightenedbum

August 25th, 2021 at 6:59 AM ^

There's at least 1.5 million people who speak Nahuatl today.  And a large number of Mexicans  are descended from one of the groups that made up the Aztec empire.  Probably most Mexicans outside the Yucatan (where you mostly have Mayans).  But ethnicity in Mexico is complicated, even more so than in the US AFAIK.

Gobgoblue

August 25th, 2021 at 12:42 PM ^

Yeah, “Aztecs don’t exist” is kind of just willfully displaying your ignorance. You don’t get it, or why people find it a little strange. Just move along and save us all from reading how the most pressing national issue is “victim hood” and “outrage.” Like just say you’re white and unbothered and go.

BlueTimesTwo

August 25th, 2021 at 1:45 PM ^

One thing that is interesting about the SDSU mascot is that they actually completely revised his appearance a little while back to appease demands to make him more authentic to what an Aztec warrior would have looked like.  I believe that they worked with scholars and researchers to try and be as accurate as possible.  This was maybe 15-20 years ago, and clearly the winds have shifted since then.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-san-diego-state-mascot-warrior-brief-history-of-debate-20180517-htmlstory.html

NotADuck

August 25th, 2021 at 2:33 AM ^

A few quick observations from the study:

1.  The fact that the Ragin' Cajun's mascot is a big ol' cayenne pepper with a face is hilarious to me.

2.  I think a lot of Northwestern fans responded to this survey as Willie the Wildcat was voted best mascot AND most sexy!  What the hell!  He looks old!  Where is his sex appeal?  (unrelated: the Rutgers Scarlet Knight is number 9 but Sparty is nowhere to be found, even with multiple animals appearing on the list)

3.  The only one of the top 4 most offensive mascots to make it into the top 10 worst mascots was Vili the Warrior.  Proof that being offensive doesn't necessarily make people dislike you.  lol

4.  Also the Stanford Tree is easily the worst mascot in all of college sports for me.  No contest.  I mean it looks like they made it out of construction paper.  The Nittany Lion would be 2nd, followed by Purdue Pete and Pistol Pete.

5.  Why does everyone hate "Hey Reb!"?  He looks pretty cool to me.  He's an old prospector!  The writing staff at MGoBlog would love him.

M go Bru

August 25th, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^

FYI. Stanford was known as the Indians until 1970!

Figures that California would lead the charge in finding anything related to any Indian as being offensive. 

I only find the term "Redskins" offensive. Any other renaming of Native American team nicknames seems absurd. We used those nicknames to actually honor them. 

Broken Brilliance

August 25th, 2021 at 9:04 AM ^

I read a UNLV Twitter thread the other day and one user said it's the University President's axe to grind regarding Hey Reb.

Another interesting claim on the website of the  "Honor the Chief Society": apparently the Peoria Tribe of Oklahoma was open to starting a dialogue with Illinois about bringing back Chief Illiniwek or perhaps another approved logo a few years ago but their new president wouldn't even entertain the idea. No clue how true that is.

mjv

August 25th, 2021 at 10:13 AM ^

The Stanford Tree is easily the best mascot.  The annual contest to become the Tree is epic.  

The only other mascots I'm a fan of are the ones the could possibly kill people is the stadium -- Mike (LSU), Bevo (Texas) Ralphie (Colorado).  And maybe the idiots riding the Boomer Schooner at Oklahoma.  That thing is a death trap.

bsand2053

August 25th, 2021 at 4:08 AM ^

Buddy, if you're offended by the leprechaun, you're looking for things to be offended about.  

Let us not draw false equivalencies between Irish caricatures and those of indigenous people 

ldevon1

August 25th, 2021 at 5:18 AM ^

I don't want to make light of what offends anyone, but I thought a leprechaun came from Irish folklore. Meaning it's not based on any real thing or person. Neg me, because I didn't read the article because I don't care one way or the other, but is a leprechaun a real thing, in some sort of way?