Vows never to cheat again... with all of the study tables the football players have, I doubt that... once he has an upper level class, he'll revert back to his old self...
I heard Eric and the Revolting Blob are the ones to blame
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He still sucks
Deserves? I'm not sure you know what that word means.
Are you saying that Golson isn't worthy of a second chance because he cheated? I hate ND as much as the next guy but that's an outright ignorant statement.
I'm not sure that you're familiar with common expressions.
I am all for a player receiving punishment and then given the opportunity for a second chance after that punishment has been served. I mean, I know people are always talking about kids needing second chances, but if I'm honest I was doing stupid things well into my 20's if not early thirties. If I was never offered a second chance who knows where I would have ended up.
Young people, like everyone else make mistakes and need second chances. In many cases when some form of punishment is used in conjunction with the second chance, people will learn from their mistakes. I hope the guy does this and has a productive career other than when he plays against us.
Nothing wrong with a second chance. He has to sit out an entire year, so they didn't just slap his wrist. Hoke has done the same for kids who have gotten into trouble and I'm all for it. As long as it's not a felony and the kid doesn't repeat the mistake. Everyone can mess up.
Will Hagerup is on his 8th chance. We're kind of in a glass house with this one. Everyone does stupid stuff in college, I don't see anything wrong with giving guys a second chance (in most cases)
come on, its not like he kicked a cop
Rudy vowed never to be offsides again...but he never played again either. So take that for what its worth, Mr. Golson.
Terrible? I think you're being overly optimistic. Every team loses starters. They brought in the number 2 recruiting class in the country last year and a top 5 class the year before. They'll be fine.
I don't blame him for wanting to come back. Who wouldn't want to play for this guy?
YOU MAD BRO?
Best College Gameday sign ever...
I had a teacher in 8th grade who explained to our class that cheating wasn't like other things you could get suspended for because it showed a moral flaw. His point was that people will be more willing to give you a second chance with other transgressions because you can more easily rationalize that someone got in a fight than that they had the moral character to cheat. I don't know if he was correct, but that conversation was a big part of the reason I never cheated growing up. Also, I don't think Golson deserves a second chance, regardless of how good he is at football.
That seems like a stretch to me as well. I get that there are different degree of transgressions out there, but I don't find cheating on a test to be that big a deal TBH. I also don't know that it provides us with any sort of great insight into a persons moral standing either. I don't know the circumstances around his "cheating" but it seems like a stretch to say that is worse than beating people up.
Actually it sounds like a teacher/professor who takes the whole cheating thing very seriously (NTTAWWT) and is trying to drill home how serious an offense it is in his mind. I can say that I disagree with his stance on that though. Give me a guy who peaks on anothers guys test to a group of thugs running around beating people up all the time.
http://www.notredamecollege.edu/sites/default/fileuploads/Student-Handbook-13-14.pdfStudent
Academic Dishonesty includes but is not limited to the following: 1) the completion or attempted completion of any academic work by means other than those permitted; and 2) the alteration of a document relating to the grading process, including – changing an instructor’s grade book, or changing answers on a test after the time to complete the test is over.
ii. Examples of Academic Dishonesty include but are not limited to; unauthorized collaboration, copying another student’s answers, unauthorized aids on a test, fabricating assignments, using purchased or pre-made term papers, plagiarism, and destroying another student’s work.
I agree he deserves a second chance. The only downside will be trying to ignore the media hype in 2014 as they give the guy a never ending lovefest for coming back to redeem himself. I imagine it will be about as nauseating as the slobbering they did over Manti Taeo for playing ball just after the passing of his "girlfriend."
and upvoted by the same. sad.
but that is BS. That's a philosophy people come up with to try and protect themselves from geting hurt again after it happened to them in the past. I get it, people become jaded after their heart gets broken but I'm living proof that philosophy is wrong.
From the time I was a teenager to the day I got married I was a "cheater". I was never faithful to any of my girlfriends and didn't really see a huge problem with that. For some reason though, when I was young I had told myself that when I got married things would be different. I was never going to cheat on my wife and that was it. I don't know exactly why that was the "rule" I set for myself, but I did. I have been married for 12 years now and have been faitful for every one of them.
I won't say that I have never been tempted or had the chance, but my cheater days were over when I got married. I know this is only one example but it only take one to disprove such a rigid proposal as "once a cheater always a cheater".
I'm not sure that likening cheating on a test to a personal betrayal like cheating on a significant other is particularly useful.
Here is the video of the interview with Golson, or at least what the local station was willing to share:
for a bunch of my teammates at michigan or would sit for the test in one of the big halls with the guys all around me, and write in very big numbers/letters whatever the subject was (usually stats, econ or french), and let them non-chalantly see my answers as i held them up to look like i was examining what i wrote. so there goes what, half of michigan's hockey team? second chance comes from true remorse and some consequences, sounds like this kid has indeed gone through both of those things.
as a senior i almost got caught while handing in a stats test for one of them, got asked for my i.d. told them i didn't have it, wasn't going to the bar, just taking a test and walked out. closest call i had.
Yeah, this is why nobody should be making fun of Golson. Cheating happens all the time in college. I bet a ton of Michigan athletes cheat on tests when ever they can (Not that they all do, but still, you're being naive if you think this doesn't happen everywhere.)
The few people I know who got bounced from UofM for failing classes/cheating were allowed to petiton their way back in after a semester. One guy got in after one semester. (the dude who failed) It took the other guy two tries after two semesters at WCC (got caught turning in someone else's paper).
What would we expect if a classmate got caught cheating? I suppose I'd expect them to get a review by whatever academic board oversaw engineering (in my case) and gave them a yea or nay on returning. I'm sure Gholson has been told he's allowed back and he has zero more chances. Good for him getting a second chance to get his ND degree, hopefully he uses it wisely
OK now for something a little uncomfortable. Who here is willing to admit that they ever cheated on anything academic related in college?
In my first year of med school I was writing a paper on congestive heart failure. I was one of those students who rarely took notes and hardly ever read text books but was able to remember what said during classes almost word for word if I paid attention.
When I was writing my paper the thing pretty much wrote itself. I was able to write the entire thing without any reference to any text at all as it was simply a paper about the disease (the various causes, symptoms, how the disease is relected in the body and various treatments for the disease).
When I was done I realized I couldn't hand in a paper without references, even though I hadn't referenced anything when writing it, so I had to go back and find references so the prof wouldn't think I was cheating. I went to the library (yes, way bacj then we had to go to places like that to get reference material) and found a bunch of obscure text books and journals that covered various forms of heart disease and made up a bunch of references. I passed in the paper and prayed the guy wasn't going to go back and check on them and thankfully he didn't.
To this day I still have a hard time understanding why what I did would be considered cheating, but many of my classmates assured me that it was, even though I wrote that paper with information that came only from within my own head. Anyway, that was my brush with cheating in university. Thankfully I wasn't caught and thrown out.
I doubt your prof would have thought you were "cheating" if you turned in a paper with no references but rather that you were unprofessional and lazy for not including references. Professional scientific or medical writing includes references--either to give credit or so a reader can look up your information to confirm it. Because, you weren't born with this information in your head. You say the information 'came only from my own head' but that is clearly false. You didn't do the research yourself. Someone else did and you learned it.
When I write a scientific paper, I put in the citations when I am all finished with the writing. I know the information--although I don't give myself sole credit for that as you appear to--but I also know to whom to give credit for me knowing that information.
As long as those papers included the information you were referencing, I don't think anyone would consider this cheating. You might get dinged if your references were totally obscure (but technically correct) because you didn't know the literature well enough to site the correct papers but that is minor.
If the references didn't contain the information that was used for the citation then that is very dishonest and clearly academic fraud. In that case, you would have backed up your contention with a lie which is unacceptable regardless of how smart you are.
but the guy below is closer to what really transpired. Had I read papers or research that lead to my knowledge I would have referenced them, but I didn't. All that was in the paper was from memory from lecture material. As you stated, I was lazy and dishonest but at that point didn't even remember from which lecture or professor I had received the knowledge so referencing anything was difficult.
I don't dispute that I was lazy as I could have taken the time (which in those days would have been far more than one would have to spend now) to find references in numerous medical journals or text books to back up my paper, but took the easy way out.
I guess this goes back to making mistakes and why I think second chances are a good thing, because at that time I didn't feel as though I was dguilty of anything other than being lazy, whereas now I know there is much more to it than that.