OT: MSU is broke. In fall 2021, all second year students have to live in dorms.

Submitted by chuck bass on December 1st, 2020 at 6:36 PM

As a parent, I prefer on-campus living for undergrads, but obviously this is a cash grab from a mismanaged university hard-up for cash flow.

"University reinstates second-year on-campus living requirement

Michigan State University wants to ensure every student has the opportunity to learn, thrive and graduate."

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2020/reinstate-second-year-on-campus-living-requirement

BlueGoM

December 1st, 2020 at 6:42 PM ^

Well with a 3 billion dollar endowment, maybe they can just eat into that for a year or two and not offload the trouble to students.  Dare I say maybe some high paid admins can take a pay cut too?

 

 

Vernors

December 1st, 2020 at 8:03 PM ^

Yeah, endowments are weird. Colleges and universities work like hell to build them and work even harder not to use them when times are tough. It’s weird. Pretty sure I read somewhere that research shows donors back back off when schools dip into endowments out of fiscal need rather than to fund something new and shiny. Seems a bit counter intuitive.

Robbie Moore

December 1st, 2020 at 10:38 PM ^

Michigan's endowment is approximately $13 billion. If they cut tuition in half for every student and covered it out of the endowment it would cost about $650 million, or 5%, which would be a reasonable return on the 13 billion. So, cut tuition in half for everyone and pay for it out of the interest.

Its nice universities help support students who otherwise could not attend. But its a drop in the bucket. There is no excuse for Michigan's tuition to be what it is with 13 billion available. No excuse whatsoever. 

 

Robbie Moore

December 2nd, 2020 at 5:01 PM ^

Merely reacting to the comment in the first response. I don't know how much administrative costs are or how much could/should be saved. I do know that tuition is unaffordable to the majority of the population, students are taking loans that will handcuff them financially for years or decades and my beloved alma mater is sitting on $13 billion. And my anger about the whole situation far exceeds my anger toward Jim Harbaugh.

BlueGoM

December 2nd, 2020 at 12:57 AM ^

I figured there are various restrictions on the funds. Still,  you'd  think they could find a way to use it instead of raising tuition or offloading costs to students.   Surely there are some sort of emergency funding provisions; if  not, you'd think the Regents and other big shots would have considered creating them at this point.

 

throckman

December 2nd, 2020 at 8:32 AM ^

Folks donating that kind of money to a university usually aren't doing it to support the school. They're doing it for vanity; it's conspicuous consumption. 

Michigan happily takes my monthly donation to the Maize & Blue Cupboard, because it has students, staff, and faculty who are food insecure. At an organization with a $13,000,000,000 endowment.

DonAZ

December 1st, 2020 at 6:46 PM ^

From the linked article:

MSU’s occupancy capacity is 18,203, which accounts for all residence hall room types and apartments. It’s estimated the number of first- and second-year students living on campus would be roughly 16,000.

I read that as meaning two things: (1) revenue, as the OP suggested, and (2) a move to push occupancy so they don't have to face consolidating and possibly mothballing a dorm or two.

All that said, I think living on-campus for the first two years is, on balance, a good thing.  Michigan State is a campus that's fairly large, and a lot of apartments are some distance from key instructional buildings. 

When I attended from 1977 to 1981, that rule was in place.  I didn't mind dorm life ... mostly because I was still growing (5'10" in high school to 6'1" to start sophomore year) and I needed all the food I could eat.  The dorm system worked out for me.  I shocked more than a few cafeteria servers going back for thirds, fourths ... hell, one meal I went back 16 times.  (They would only serve one taco at a time.)

TrueBlue2003

December 1st, 2020 at 7:02 PM ^

Yeah, I think I would have preferred to remain on campus if everyone else in my class did.  I just didn't want to be the random sophomore amongst a bunch of freshmen and I wanted to be able to host parties/drink which isn't really that healthy (and not legal), even if it was fun at the time. 

Meeting other smart people is arguably the most important aspect of the college experience and living in a dorm is far more conducive to that, than living off campus.

While this is def a cash grab, I would argue my experience would have been more fruitful (and probably safer and healthier, ha) with another year in dorms.

UMxWolverines

December 1st, 2020 at 6:55 PM ^

I would take up a class action lawsuit on this if I were planning on going there. Paying 10 grand or more per semester to live in relatively shitty conditions relative to an apartment is just financially stupid. 

DonAZ

December 1st, 2020 at 7:19 PM ^

I can't speak for conditions today, but back in 1977 to 1981 the dorms were a far cry better than a lot of the apartments.  Many of those were just awful. 

Related -- I guess, to a point -- I was looking at an ad for some new apartments near the University of Arizona here in Tucson.  Holy smokes ... $3K/month for a two bedroom, two bath.  I haven't been in the rental market for almost 30 years now ... is that typical?

PopeLando

December 1st, 2020 at 10:00 PM ^

Out of all the things they could do, this is one of the least objectionable. Student apartments near MSU are terrible, and the students are gouged hard by the local slumlords (at least, this was the case when I lived in Lansing). Dorms are at least maintained.

I assume there will be massive exceptions, for people in frats/sororities, and when they inevitably run out of rooms? Didn't read the article.

If MSU suddenly jacks up dorm prices by $10k, then students can burn some couches.

kookie

December 1st, 2020 at 11:11 PM ^

As someone running the biggest study on residence life in 30 years, be thankful they are doing this. In normal times, your kid is more likely to persist (and likely graduate, can't claim this definitively yet) if they live in the residence halls a second year. The impacts are likely to be more acute now as the pandemic limited social interactions last year. Given the perceived make up of the board, the relationship is particularly large for rich kids who live in large houses or the greek system.

This is also under active discussion at a number of schools even before the pandemic. Schools wish they had the capacity to enforce this type of rule, but the large number of college-aged kids meant they lacked capacity. As the demography changes, the capacity challenges are waning. Adding a second-year mandate is top of the list of non-COVID priorities for the provost at my Big10 institution.

bluebrains98

December 2nd, 2020 at 11:21 AM ^

The data clearly show that (1) couch-burning tendencies peak at age 19, and (2) off-campus couches are at higher risk than university-owned couches. This is simply an effort to save the furniture.