OT (maybe?) Derek Mason coaching clinic video
I enjoyed listening to him speak on some things he's obviously very passionate about. Loved what he was saying about keeping coaches accountable to what's actually being coached versus yelling at a player for a bad play. I figured I would post this since its not a CC post but is giving some insight into one of the hot names on this board. I posted an article in another thread about him as well that I will post here for those who may have missed it. First post so apologies if it's not up to mgoboard standards.
https://www.theartofcoachingfootball.com/derek-mason-eliminating-explosive-offensive-plays/
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/what-sec-can-learn-from-defensive-guru-derek-mason/
December 27th, 2020 at 9:11 PM ^
I mean I understand not screaming and getting purple-faced, but sometimes you gotta be authoritative to make a point.
It's a fine line but being too soft really doesn't cut it either.
December 27th, 2020 at 10:11 PM ^
If you yell and win, then you “hold players accountable.” If you yell and lose, then you’re just an a-hole. If you are ‘soft’ and win, then you’re a player’s coach (Hoke’s first year). If you’re soft and lose, then you don’t have an edge (Hoke’s last year). In other words, just win and everything is fine.
December 28th, 2020 at 2:26 PM ^
What part of the video was soft? He was pretty intense throughout, and he clearly stated that he teaches violence. Seemed pretty standard for a high level coach.
December 27th, 2020 at 9:28 PM ^
If he doesn't mention putting your knuckle on the asshole then it's not a real coaching video, is invalid, and I don't want to watch it.
December 27th, 2020 at 10:34 PM ^
That Harbaugh video alone is enough to make me think that Harbaugh is a little bit of an odd bird
December 28th, 2020 at 7:30 AM ^
Can you post a link to said video?
December 28th, 2020 at 8:51 AM ^
It's in there somewhere
December 28th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
17:21 is the uh, time you're looking for. Don't ask how I know.
December 28th, 2020 at 8:22 AM ^
Curious... What would make you think that Harbaugh is not an odd bird?
December 28th, 2020 at 8:45 AM ^
If you're an FBS coach making millions of dollars surrounded by testosterone- and steroid-filled males all day every day, you're going to be an odd bird. There are more weirdos in coaching than there are "normal" guys.
December 28th, 2020 at 9:10 AM ^
You just described my 20 yeats in the Marine Corps.?
December 28th, 2020 at 3:55 PM ^
If you're an FBS coach making millions of dollars surrounded by testosterone- and steroid-filled males all day every day, you're going to be an odd bird. There are more weirdos in coaching than there are "normal" guys.
While I agree the coaching profession as a whole is different than many other professions, it's not much different from other professions that don't have a formal educational process. No one is asking about your graduate degree or certifications. It's the good 'ol boys club which is why you see lots of nepotism. But, that's not all that different from other businesses that don't required degrees and certifications like construction, contracting, and other labor businesses. And, I think your accusation about FBS players being on steroids is not only misguided, it's judgmental. I've been a college athlete myself and I've been a college S&C coach. The number of guys that know anything about androgenic anabolic steroids or use them with any regularity is very, very low. You'll see a lot more AAS use in your average commercial gym from middle aged men. And, FWIW using AAS does not make you odd bird any more than doing anything else so lets not get into the morals of various drug usage, many of which are widely used across many cultures.
December 28th, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^
Harbaugh said this?
Was this when he was in San Francisco?
December 28th, 2020 at 8:51 AM ^
San Diego, I posted the video above
December 28th, 2020 at 8:51 AM ^
For everyone's viewing pleasure (many have seen this in years past) - this is the QB clinic that JH spoke at several years ago when he was the coach at USD. Another highlight beside the knuckle in the asshole quote is when he breaks the overhead projector while shouting "We must win!!".
December 27th, 2020 at 9:35 PM ^
Mason is intriguing. He was known for his success against the spread before he went to Vanderbilt. His peers seemingly think very highly of him as a defensive mind. And he knows how Harbaugh works.
December 27th, 2020 at 9:41 PM ^
“Mason had a 27-55 record, including a 0-8 mark this season against only SEC opponents. The Commodores have lost 12 straight SEC games, their longest conference losing streak since they dropped 23 straight from 2000 to 2003 under Woody Widenhofer and Bobby Johnson.”
December 27th, 2020 at 11:13 PM ^
I agree that Michigan should not hire Mason as a head coach.
December 28th, 2020 at 12:28 AM ^
Ed Warinner got fired as an OC, Nick Saban was mediocre in the NFL, Gus Malzahn went from offensive genius to mediocre head coach with bad offenses, etc. There are many examples of coaches who were outstanding at one thing and who failed when they tried to take the next step. Mason being a bad head coach at the school that has by far the least talented roster in the SEC every year might not mean much when it comes to his ability to coordinate a defense.
December 28th, 2020 at 7:21 AM ^
Good thing we’re talking about hiring him as a defensive coordinator, not a head coach. This has already been explained to you in previous posts, yet you still want to stick with this stupid ass take. Now you’re entering troll territory.
December 28th, 2020 at 8:07 AM ^
I think trolling is the point....they are not trying to hide it.
December 28th, 2020 at 8:38 AM ^
MGoPoster: 'I think Vince Lombardi would be a good choice for coach...'
RandallFlagg: 'Lombardi lost 34 games, including a playoff game. He couldn't win a championship in four seasons. He failed at fixing Rich Rod's defense, and he even lost to cancer.'
December 27th, 2020 at 9:36 PM ^
I like it.
In Mason’s flexible two-gap, his defensive linemen are taught to hold their block and react to the ball. Ends set the edge and funnel plays inside to the linebackers.
December 27th, 2020 at 9:44 PM ^
Something tells me it's gonna be Banks, and he will bring two DT transfers with him. That is, if Jim isn't leaving for the Chargers, which I think he is.
December 27th, 2020 at 10:30 PM ^
Having lived in SoCal for 25 years, I could see Harbaugh coaching the San Diego Chargers. I can’t picture him living in LA.
December 27th, 2020 at 10:40 PM ^
30 years for me but it's not like he would be living in the barrios or Compton, there's a bunch of bitchin' places to live in LA county when you make millions.
December 27th, 2020 at 10:55 PM ^
I'm curious, if Harbaugh will be in LA next year, who's hiring Banks?
Edit* Nevermind, I read it wrong the first time
December 28th, 2020 at 1:38 AM ^
Most of you probably already know that Jim owns a house in Coronado. That would make the move easier if he could hang out there part-time.
December 28th, 2020 at 1:08 AM ^
Man, I hope that's not the case. Banks has very little experience as a sole defensive coordinator. He did not do particularly well when he had the chance.
December 27th, 2020 at 10:01 PM ^
Players expect coaches to get in their face if they make bone head plays. That’s part of the game and part of the coaching/player relationship. I don’t believe in putting your hands on a player but you can chew them out and still love them.
December 27th, 2020 at 10:13 PM ^
I'd rather have Muschamp purely for entertainment purposes. Seriously, has better audio ever been captured in CFB than this?:
December 27th, 2020 at 11:03 PM ^
Would be a great DC for Michigan.
December 27th, 2020 at 11:21 PM ^
There is more than one way to skin a cat. Some guys are good at yelling and being intense. Other guys deliver their message in a more supportive way. Many styles can be effective. I do think kids today prefer a less intense message and don't take criticism as well as they did 20 years ago. And, any good coach is able to change his approach in order to better reach his audience. You need to know your kids, be able to relate to them, and know where you can push them and when you need to support them. Coaching has a lot in common with teaching. I'm a PE teacher FWIW and strength coach.
December 27th, 2020 at 11:41 PM ^
Agree completely MGoStrength. I coached for many years (not football), and I generally didn’t yell because I’m not naturally a yeller. Coaches/teachers of any kind need to be authentic & be themselves because players/students can smell a phony a mile away & won’t respond as well. I would raise my voice if the problem was a lack of effort/intensity so I’d crank up my intensity to motivate the kid. But I wouldn’t yell in response to technical mistakes, because yelling doesn’t help the kid process information better.
December 28th, 2020 at 8:22 AM ^
Exactly, if the reason a kid isn't successful is a lack of effort that should never be accepted. However, the level of effort expected also has to be educated and is likely higher than HS. So there has to be a period of transition and support in the beginning. As kids are no longer freshman that becomes less acceptable. This is also true in teaching. If the problem is a lack of understanding, then you use other teaching styles to support the player in understanding just as a teacher would. Give them one-on-one time, watch film, understand it's a process and requires practice, etc. Everyone learns in a different way and at a different pace. None are wrong. But, a lack of effort should never be accepted after the initial transition from HS and sometimes that message needs to be delivered firmly and with consequences, but still followed up with support so the kid can see the difference between the person and the event. The kid isn't bad, but their behavior did not meet the standard expected so a change is required, but you're there to help facilitate that change. Kids don't naturally have a growth mindset, meaning they can improve with practice, and often avoid failure when things are hard and they receive criticisms, particularly high level young people that are not used to failing. But, they need support to realize failure is a part of the learning and growth process and other side of that failure is something worth the discomfort. There isn't something wrong with them for failing, but they need that support so they don't give up.