UM Fan from Sydney

September 17th, 2019 at 12:44 PM ^

Football in this country will never cease to exist. I'm not worried about that whatsoever. It's the most popular sport in the USA.

Vasav

September 17th, 2019 at 1:52 PM ^

Eric Dickerson said last year "as long as there's running, tackling, and blocking - it's still football." I'd add in the forward pass, but whole-heartedly agree. We can make the game safer and still make it a mix of strength based physical contact along with a throwing-and-catching game.

Personally, rather than try to engineer the problems of the game away, I think rules around contact ought to be tightened up to the point where players don't need to or aren't allowed to wear helmets (a la rugby union). Youth football may be a more flag-oriented thing. Starting in high school football will be tackle, and the game will look different. But also kind of very similar. The equipment will be less. Maybe the players will be less. Some other rules will certainly change as we learn the second order effects of the initial changes. It'll still be fun, dramatic, and a physical delight to play and watch.

outsidethebox

September 17th, 2019 at 2:34 PM ^

I, very much, agree with you. I believe the helmet will stay but be changed so as not to be so much of a weapon-back to the leather helmets! All pads need to go-at least reduced to soft pads. And there will be tackling rule changes-one would have to do with not allowing a player who is leaping to catch a pass being contacted below the waist with the tacklers head or shoulders-and strictly enforced with a vigorous penalty-like an ejection for 4 quarters of play. 

Reducing the level of contact at lower ages must become a national standard.

Vasav

September 17th, 2019 at 3:10 PM ^

I do hear this - but I think the delta v from pads to padless is small, and the delta m of more pads offsets it to a degree to make it negligible. If your equipment fits tight you run as hard as you can. I also subscribe to the belief that the helmets make you more willing to use your head. I played football and rugby - granted my football days were mostly at a time when concussions were treated as a bit of a laugh. When I played football I definitely "saw what I hit" and wasn't afraid to use my head. Rugby quickly made me realize that was painfully stupid, and I played that game safer than I did football. I am a small sample size of 1, but that's what convinces me that helmets do not make the sport safer - rules regarding contact will.

bluebyyou

September 17th, 2019 at 5:27 PM ^

You can have helmet development until the cows come home, but you don't need head to head contact to get CTE.  When you have significant upper body contact, such as what happens between O- and D-lineman many times in a game, the head moves violently forward on the moment arm known as the neck and head movement both accelerating forward and stopping results in "sloshing" of the brain.  A study came out on this several years ago; I believe Cleveland Clinic was involved.  Rotational head forces are also extremely difficult to control.  HANS device anyone?

Our HS where I formerly lived in Maryland no longer fields a football team due to too few kids wanting to play.  

If the trend continues, the game is doomed.

IMO, a biological solution is what is needed and it's anyone's guess if (when) one will be available.

 

Roy G. Biv

September 17th, 2019 at 4:13 PM ^

I respectfully disagree.  More padding/armor leads to less concern for individual safety and more reckless use of the body as a weapon when tackling/blocking.  As someone who played rugby for nearly 25 years, in my opinion the technique of tackling is what needs to change.  Rugby requires at least an attempt to wrap with the arms . . . throwing your body like a missile at someone's knees, head, or any other anatomy is an immediate penalty.  Tackling above, and now even on, the shoulders is also an immediate penalty.  Big hits can still be part of the game when large, fast, strong people coolide.  Also the headwear . . . something like a scrumcap (what the kids wear in 7 on 7s) would eliminate intentional use of the head as a weapon.  Incidental contact, unfortunately, will always be an issue in full-contact sports.

dearbornpeds

September 17th, 2019 at 8:42 PM ^

     The v isn’t likely to change but the m certainly can.  This isn’t original but one idea is to limit the size of the players by position.

     They may not be using PEDS but there is nothing natural about lineman going 350.  The players were smaller 25 years ago and the game was just as exciting and less dangerous.

     A lower HS participation rate disproportionately affects the smaller colleges and those not in the hotbeds of high school football.

micheal honcho

September 17th, 2019 at 9:37 PM ^

100% agree. We can’t re-engineer the body(well maybe somewhat) but we can build the exoskeleton to the point of blunting the effects by both slowing down the players & protecting them. Hockey had optional helmets into the 80s. The football ruling bodies can and should dictate the gear required, make ZERO exceptions and they would gain the lever to at least have some means to slow the impacts. Right now they try to enforce rules that are by nature subjective. Equipment can be objective. 

I think fans would accept these changes without a blink. We did in going from Yost’s crew to the neck roll monster that was Messner. Moving to an engineered pad system with whatever deceleration materials can be incorporated while adding mass as required to get the impact measureables where they determine minimizes damage

JDeanAuthor

September 17th, 2019 at 5:37 PM ^

Part of the issue is that they've instituted all of these rules to help with lessening concussions, but people are still not acting like it's enough, and don't realize that you have to let changed rules and regulations play out in the long run.

 

BTW, funny how people are worried about health concerning football when few people talk about it in soccer, and statisically it's the highest sport for concussions.

HHW

September 17th, 2019 at 2:17 PM ^

It will continue to exist, but to assume it's going to maintain it's popularity is questionable at best.  I'm sure mid- 20th century Americans couldn't see a time when baseball wouldn't be the most popular sport in the U.S. 

It's not just a concussion issue.  Coaches at my kid's high school want the football players to basically work year around on their football skills, whether in the weight room, the gym, or 7v7..  A lot of our multi-sport athletes have dropped football because of that issue and the impact on their other sports.  Who wants to go to a 90 minute hockey practice at 5:30 am and have the football coaches hounding them to lift after school?

Broken Brilliance

September 17th, 2019 at 12:46 PM ^

As much as this thread will probably mention PANIC about head injuries, I see some other factors contributing including more kids specializing in one sport, along with not wanting to put in the year round grind if they aren't likely to get playing time.

As previously mentioned, the sport won't die anytime soon.

The faction on here that loves to handwring about football being a bloodsport is particularly annoying, along with the anti-nfl zealots.

goblueram

September 17th, 2019 at 12:54 PM ^

Michigan football has been my first love in sports for my entire life.  However, I have really come to think that objectively football is not that great of a sport due to pace and safety.  Rugby beats football in both categories (and hockey is the best but that's another discussion).  Anyway, without any emotional attachment I have no reason to watch the NFL, so I guess I'm in that anti-NFL camp.  But I'm not going to get on here and be all vocal about it :) 

ST3

September 17th, 2019 at 12:47 PM ^

I went to the Mira Costa High School game last Friday. I counted 42 players in uniform for Costa. That's for a school with an enrollment of ~2400. My high school 31 years ago was half the size but we had at least 60 kids on varsity.

I texted that to my brother and he said the same thing was true for Ann Arbor Pioneer.

lbpeley

September 17th, 2019 at 1:32 PM ^

Exactly. I love to golf. I go at least 3 times a week. I would never sit around and watch it on TV though. 

I used to play baseball. Besides watching UM's run this year I can't recall the last time I watched a baseball game either.