OT - Hawaii coach makes fun of gay people by associating them with ND
Hawaii's coach made a comment that ruffled some feathers. He used a derogatory term generally used for gay people when referring to a dance performed by Notre Dame players. I feel bad for said gay people being associated with said dance.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4366952
No specifics on which derogatory term generally used for gay people was used. Ideas?
"Antiquers?"
"Vanguards of gentrification?"
"Promise-keepers?"
He said they did "this little faggot dance." http://voices.idahostatesman.com/node/20709 That article has a link to the audio of it.
The Hawaii coach is in "Dire Straits".
but I got it. Very well played. Funny how they never censor a lot of those old classic rock songs on the radio, I always laugh a little when I hear that part of the song.
They used to censor that word in Money for Nothing by just deleting it on some stations.
The word was used in an ironic sense, and actually made fun of those who say it in reference to musicians, so it's not like it was used as a slur or even approved of in the song.
Since Clear Channel is so bad that they even censored "making love in the green grass behind the stadium with you" in the last verse of Van Morrison's Brown-Eyed Girl by patching in the last line of a previous verse to replace it, I would imagine that you can still hear a sterilized version of it on Clear Channel stations, especially in the daytime.
"mill-ion-aire."
Not condoning the use of the word faggot, but any dance Notre Dame did was probably a lot more "feminine" than Hawaii's duplication of the Haka.
...McMackin is clearly building on June Jones' legacy.
Wow great title you got me chuckling!
I think its a hate crime to associate gay people with ND. Put McMackin in Shawshank
On SportsCenter, it was shown as "faggots".
I'm assuming they had one of the anchors read the quote -- which one was it? I think it would be funny as hell to hear one of them actually attempt to read the word "faggot" in a professional manner. Maybe not quite as funny as Huel Perkins reading Kwame's text messages last year, but still funny.
Hell yeah!
He's a football coach. Surely no one is surprised that a football coach uses crass language. If this guy is being demonized then lord knows what people would say about Vince Lombardi if he were around these days.
But one guy here said he knew a guy who said RR used the f bomb!
Crass yes, bigoted no.
You don't think so? I played a whole lot of football and I think every coach I've ever had used the word faggot, or fag, or something similar. I'm not saying it's OK, but that's a football coach. They yell, they use bad language. It shouldn't happen in public, but I'm not that surprised.
between crass language and using language that is derogatory to a certain people. I won't lie and say I haven't used language that I shouldn't have in my life, everyone makes mistakes so I won't judge this guy. I am just stating that this is a whole lot different than using an occasional f-bomb.
When you are a public figure you need to be more careful about your choice of words.
The Super-Irony of this whole escapade is that the Gay Pride Logo has historically been a Rainbow...
The University of Hawaii historically were known as the Rainbows, then the Rainbow Warriors...
Guess someone needs to fill coach in.....er so to speak.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Rainbow_Warriors
:)
Yeah, a strange situation, there. I grew up in Hawai'i and spent the first years of my life cheering for the Bows ("Let's go Bows!"), and loving Bob Wagner's (then hating Fred von Appen's) teams.
June Jones shows up, and basically decides that he won't coach a football squad called the Rainbows. Changes it, ignoring a century of tradition, to the extremely generic and stupid "WARRIORS." Nobody in Hawai'i liked it until he had his magic year in 2007. Then nobody could really say anything.
Almost all of the other teams are still the Bows. As it should be.
Yikes! In this day and age coaches cannot get away with many of the words and practices that were acceptable in the past. In many instances I thought that this was a bad thing because it sheltered players and made them soft, but in this instance I'd have to agree that the Hawaii coach is an idiot.
I'm all for putting ND down, but you have to do it in a more classy way, if that is at all possible.
i'm really disappointed in the progress of this society. One needs to concluded that being a Notre Dame Fan is not a matter of choice. Instead, it seems quite clear to me that there is a combination of genetic and biological factors that cause people to become Notre Dame fans. Choice and willfulness have nothing to do with who does and does not become a Notre Dame fan. Those who are Notre Dame fans have no more choice over their CFB team preferences than those who are heterosexual. er, i mean not Notre Dame fans.
You know, I hate the whole idea of political correctness, but even I can see how dumb of a mistake this was on his part.
Still, it's not like he's WRONG.
Yeah, I'll take a hit for that one. Deserved.
"Rainbow Warriors," no?
Funny you mention that. The old logo before the tribal H featured a rainbow. After the logo was changed in 2000, the AD caught some heat for saying that the university changed the logo because it didn't want it to associated with homosexuals.
“That logo really put a stigma on our program at times in regards to it’s part of the gay community, their flags and so forth."
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-hawaiicoach-apology&…
Dude must've been pretty embarrassed about that loss to the Fightin' JIMMAHS to say something that offensive...nine months later.
who ths joke on lol gays or ND lol
who ths joke on lol gays or ND
Haha I love the spin. The Hawaii coach makes fun of gay people by associating them with ND rather than the other way around. That's really funny.
Obviously, it was very inappropriate to use the slur "faggot." But does that definitely mean that McMackin is a bigot? I honestly don't know. He was extremely apologetic afterward for using the term, showing that he is aware of the word's ramifications, but I don't know if that was immediately after realizing what he had said or after he had already been reprimanded.
The problem with "faggot" is that its casual use is so common in some areas that people don't understand its connotation. This isn't really the case with slurs like "nigger" or "kike"; a person who uses such epithets is most likely keenly aware of the strong racist connotation behind them. I think that in areas where those words are dropped in casual speech, people have backwards, more offensive beliefs. Meanwhile, someone would be more likely to say "faggot" without realizing what it means but not really care if his neighbor is gay. Discuss.
The More You Know.
this guy's job description includes regular interaction with the media. The bar is higher for him, even more so because he's payed with tax dollars.
I think McMackin should be locked up for forty-eight hours in a room with show tunes piped in at 100db.
For his next press conference, Greg McMackin will whip his guitar out and perform the Guns N Roses hit song "One in a Million."
come out attired in his Colonial Williamsburg attire and give a tutorial on how to start a bonfire.
In all honesty, I find the term "faggot" much more offensive than generic swearing like "fuck". Something that stigmatizes and discriminates against a group of people is far worse than a generic "cuss word". The same goes for people calling things "gay" to mean that they are stupid, or annoying, or as a general negative.
and think he was absoluetly wrong to use the term, but I am not sure that these words haven't taken on new meaning over the past years.
It was brought up earlier but I will weigh in myself here: Words, over time, often change their meanings. The word "gay" for example, used to mean happy. Then there was a time (and many still use the term in this fashion now) where gay meant "homosexual". I think the younger generation uses it in a different form than I did when I was their age. I knew that to us "gay" and "faggot" meant "homosexual" and were nasty things to say. When I heard someone called that or someone said something was "gay" it meant "homosexual". Now I hear it used in substitute for "idiot" or "stupid" so I can't really say the person is a biggot. Many words have multiple meanings and I think these ("faggot" and "gay") are two that do now as well. Not only do they refer to "homosexual" people in a rather rude way, they could also be used to describe someone as an asshole or say something is stupid.
I will say in this case the coach was definitely using it in the derogatory manner. However, in your post you said they are using it with the intention of saying something is stupid, annoying or is a general negative....doesn't that mean they are NOT using in reference to someone sexual orientation?
I guess to close I will use a for instance:
Many people find the word "Black" when talking about a persons ethnicity to be offensive, yet black has other meanings. If it is used in another context it is no longer offensive. If i say "that is the pot calling the kettle black" an African American wouldn't take offense because I am describing the color of a pot and kettle. Therefore, if I am saying something is stupid by calling it "gay" is there a difference? I didn't use the word to imply the toy I was playing with was homosexual, I meant it was a stupid toy.
A person might not intend to use the word "faggot" to mean homosexual--in Britain fag means cigarette--but it doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong with it. If the verb form of "jew", which means to rip someone off (based on an offensive stereotype), entered everyday usage, would that make it okay? No, that would just mean that society has a problem that must be fixed.
Btw, black is not offensive and is still an acceptable term. Negro no longer is. As for the pot calling the kettle black issue, that just describes color--it's no more offensive than blue, green, or orange (unless you live in Bluffington). A better example is the use of black to describe things of a dark, gloomy nature (e.g. black humor, black market). It might be a little controversial to some, but I think it's universally understood that the meaning of black for something dark or sinister does not carry over to ethnicity/skin color.
I see where you're coming from, but words have a history that can't be ignored, except by mutual agreement that will never happen. If someone uses "nigger" in a way that doesn't directly refer to black people, it's still offensive, because of the word's history. Using "gay" as an adjective to call something stupid or wrong is offensive because it comes from the premise that gay people are stupid or wrong. The other poster who used "jew" as a verb also made a good example.
On the flip side of the coin are words that have nothing to do with ethnicity, like "niggardly". Someone got fired for using the word due to an uproar about racism, even though it had nothing to do with racism. I hated that decision then and it's an example of when political correctness goes too far. Telling people not to use "gay" as a derogatory adjective is not too far in my opinion.