Man you're beggin the question...
"Can you honestly say if Lloyd hadn't won that national title that he would be considered an elite coach?"
What?! Doesn't winning NCs make you elite? Let me try this:
- If Phil Jackson doesn't win 10 (11?) NBA titles, would you consider him elite?
What are you really asking here? Does NC make you elite? Can you be elite w/o a NC?
March 26th, 2015 at 10:45 PM ^
And none of them have the other accomplishments that Lloyd can claim vis-a-vis conference titles, overall winning percentage (not even close), sustained success, big wins, etc.
So, again, what's your point? Lloyd isn't elite because why? I'm still waiting for your criteria and not straw men. is it multiple NCs? Fine, that's your criteria, but it would eliminate a LOT of good coaches, including Bo, who is almost univerally recognized as an elite coach.
Let's cut to the chase. Why don't you like Lloyd man?
of this digresses from the real initial conversation. Lloyd won like crazy and was still threatened with pitch forks like every other year. In this way the Georgia fan base is no different that we were/are.
5 Big Ten Titles. A National Championship The last few years were not his best, but in every year as a head coach, he had his teams in the top 10 at one point during the season. And only one team finished outside the AP top 20. To have a team that consistently ranked that high is impressive. There are only a handful of Big Ten coaches that can be put in the same category as him.
had a stretch where he went 1-4-1 against Tennessee. Should we maybe reconsider whether he should be talked about as an elite coach?
Tom Osbourne had a stretch where he went 1-8 against Oklahoma. Shold we not consider him an elite coach?
John McKay had a stretch where he went 2-5 against ND. Should we maybe reconsider whether he's an elite coach?
March 26th, 2015 at 11:44 PM ^
"Elite coaches don't lose 6 of 7 to their rival" so by your definition Tom Osborne isn't an elite coach and McKay and Bryant had poor stretches against their rival too. Please, enlighten us, what is your definition of an elite coach??????
Are you being sarcastic, and I'm just missing it? Because this fanbase was starting to get very restless with Lloyd by the time he retired. (Not the sane members of the fanbase, true, but 'fan' and 'sanity' do not necessarily go together.)
Not ready to play in really big games? There was a point before the last couple years of Carr's career where he was something like 80% in games against teams in the top 10. If you're talking about Lloyd Carr '04-'07 then I see your point but otherwise that doesn't make any sense.
His players seem to love him.
Miles, Franklin, Briles and Gundy
1. Harbaugh
2. Charlie Strong
3. Bob Stoops
4. James Franklin
5. Chris Peterson
Harbaughrich rodurbandabo
Which is almost as good as Sauce Castillo!
Dude pulled hijinks on the regular and seemed like a fun guy. Plus, you know, the winning.
I hated USC when they kept beating us in Rose Bowls, but Pete's cool in my book now.
That abused freshman looks a lot like Lloyd Brady...
Besides the obvious....
1. Richt
2. Mora jr.
3. Les miles
4. D shaw.
5. Dantonio
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Maybe if you helped Dantionio win a national championship he would smile at you. Maybe.
Urban Meyer. So then I won't have to play school also.
Sorry Double Post
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1. Harbaugh - Obviously
2. Rich Rod - Great system, wins everywhere (What? He coached where? I have no idea what you're talking about. lalalalala)
3. Art Briles - Great system, high integrity guy. Has stuck it out at a smaller program despite the obvious ability to move up.
4. Mike Leach - Hilarious guy, knows how to win with less.
5. Bob Stoops - The measure of consistency, yet no sniffs of funny business or player problems.
Honorable mention - Gus Malzahn, Pat Fitzgerald, Mike Gundy
1. Harbaugh
2. Bill Snyder
3. Pat Fitzgerald
4. Art Briles
5. Mike Gundy!
1. Harbaugh
2. Saban (if I was good)
3. Urban Meyer (if he moved to not OSU)
4. Oregon coach
5. Bret Bielema so I could be a splinter cell and uncover more of his ridiculousness (if I was bad and had no shot to play in NFL)
ones are known for sending bag men and coeds to their players?
I'm closer to 40 than 30 and could use some fun in my life.
Cutcliffe, Strong, Rich Rod, Kill, and Harbaugh
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A lot depends on position - if I'm a (decently mobile) QB, I'm not sure there's a better system than Meyer. If I'm a WR, I'd love to play for Holgorsen or Briles. If I'm a LB, I'd play for Saban. If I'm a DB, there's arguably nobody better than Beamer (only because of Foster, but still).
In general though, I'd choose to play for someone who can balance being a successful college coach and someone who prepares you for the NFL. My top 5 would probably be (in no real order): Harbaugh, Saban, Miles, Meyer, and... someone like Strong, Richt, or Fisher.
I would do Gus Malzhan if I was a mobile QB.
Spurrier.
1) Harbaugh
2) Art Briles
3) Gary Patterson
4) Mark Dantonio
5) Coach Daniels from Blue Mountain State
I do not know if there is another person on the planet who could have handled the BCS snub with a fraction of the class he did.
2. Sumlin
3. Dantonio
4. Richt
5. Miles
1. Urban Meyer
2. Brian Kelly
3. Dantonio
4. Nick Saban
5. Brady Hoke
trolltastic list!
I don't about the four others, but George O'leary would be at the top of my list because I have blue gums.
1. Harbaugh
2. Les Miles
3. Mark Richt
4. Bob Stoops
5. Charlie Strong
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I thought about him since he's so player and family oriented, but he doesn't see the entire game. There is no excuse for continuing to play a guy that can't stand up on his own (no matter if that's a sprained ankle, concussion, etc. etc.)