OSU recruit who was not medically cleared will play for Auburn instead

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Jamel Dean is the OSU recruit who enrolled early this past winter only to find out OSU would not clear him medically to play football. Coincidentally, OSU was oversigned at the time. Not that they were related at all. Well, Dean just got offered to play at Auburn. Strange to see an SEC school benefiting from a Big Ten school cutting a recruit due to oversigning.


http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25178355/ex-ohio-state-signee-jamel-dean-tweets-hell-play-for-auburn

BigBlue02

May 8th, 2015 at 9:20 PM ^

So that's a no, you can't find one other instance of a meniscus tear ending a football career? Because I would think, since meniscus tears happen all the time in football, that you could find one other instance. I can tell you from experience with orthopedic surgeons that things 100 times worse than this happen to knees and don't cause a career to end. You know your argument is shit when your statement is "I'm no orthopedic surgeon, but I'm going to comment on this like I know anything about knee injuries." Keep rationalizing though. It's fun to hear people defy logic

bronxblue

May 8th, 2015 at 4:57 PM ^

My guess is that if you dig deep enough into anyone's medical history, you'll find something that could be framed as onerous enough to make it medically inadvisable to compete.  Now, most coaches don't care, and in circumstances where the injury could potentially lead to serious complications but the player is quite valuable, they'd probably push them to keep playing in spite of it.  But if you NEED to find some space, you can absolutely dig deep enough and find a kneee injury or a sprained back that would be valid grounds to be medical'd.  That's probably what happened here, and yet more arrow in the quiver that Meyer is a POS who gets way too much credit as an upstanding person for having Tim Tebow on his team.

Perkis-Size Me

May 8th, 2015 at 5:07 PM ^

OSU coaches have a tendency to resign in disgrace when their careers finish. Urban is a hell of a coach, but I wouldn't be shocked if his OSU career ends in the same way as those who came before him.



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blueblueblue

May 8th, 2015 at 5:10 PM ^

Occam would slice this as simply two doctors coming to different prognoses. Which happens all the time. Throwing in all the oversigning stuff just complicates what is probably much more simple. 

BiSB

May 8th, 2015 at 5:22 PM ^

If you get two very different diagnoses, and one makes a hell of a lot more sense from a medical standpoint, then Occam would ask "why?" Because Occam would see two diagnoses:

  • One from a team doctor that this kid's knee is so injured that he will likely never be able to contribute to Ohio State's football team, despite the fact that it is a relatively minor and common injury, and
  • One from Dr. James Andrews that this kid's minor and common knee injury is in fact minor and common, and that his long-term prognosis is roughly what one would expect from an injury like that.

And he would see that the differing diagnoses happened to correspond to the need to clear some scholarships. And he would see that a major Power-5 team snapped the kid up in a heartbeat to play roughly the same level of football that he was supposed to be unable to play. And he would be like "okay, bro, I get the point."

Jinxed

May 8th, 2015 at 6:13 PM ^

While not as famous as Dr. James Andrews, Dr. Christopher Kaeding is a well respected and accomplished orthopedic surgeon with a very strong academic background. Accusing him of unethical practices in order to facilitate OSU's over-signing is unfair bordering on libelous.

bronxblue

May 8th, 2015 at 6:24 PM ^

Kaeding's and Andrew's jobs are to evaluate the situation and provide a prognosis; how their respective head coaches decide to interpret those results as it pertains to the "suitability" of the player to play is at issue here.  I don't think anyone believes Kaeding (or whoever actually reviewed the medical information) as lying, but there's a huge chasm between illegal behavior and framing the information in a certain light, and in this context I'm guessing his injury was portrayed as maybe-serious if you want to find a reason to get rid of him (OSU) or maybe-minor (Auburn) if you want him to sign and play.

Based on the little information I have seen, this doesn't seem like terrible knee injuries.  Drake Johnson had worse injuries and he keeps playing.  Lots of guys in college have previous knee injuries and still suit up.  This isn't a concussion or a back injury; it's torn-up knees.  It sucks and I'm sure the recovery is painful, but both Barrett and Miller had (it sounds) equally-serious injuries just as recently and I'd be surprised if either got the "can't play" prognosis.

Jinxed

May 8th, 2015 at 7:47 PM ^

If they offered him a medical hardships scholarship the doctor has to sign off on it. The OSU team doctors led by Kaeding didn't clear him to play football, there's no room for interpretation or framing by the head coach. 

Not all knee injuries are created equal and the fact that other players have managed to recover from knee injuries has no bearing on this kid's prognosis. Unless you're a medical professional with access to this kid's imaging studies and his medical history, you're frankly talking out of your butt. I choose to give the benefit of the doubt to a well respected Orthopedic Surgeon who's head of the sports medicine department at Ohio State. Most people on this thread don't because obviously everyone at OSU is a machiavellian villian with sociopathic tendencies. 

BigBlue02

May 8th, 2015 at 8:19 PM ^

If you can show another instance of a torn meniscus ending a football career, I will think it is much more plausible of a diagnosis. As there are none that I know of, coupled with OSU having more people on their team than scholarships available, I'm going to make an educated guess that they pushed the kid out the door

BigBlue02

May 8th, 2015 at 9:41 PM ^

I'm glad you completely missed the point of both of those studies. The first one has a conclusion that players with meniscus and ACL surgery have shorter NFL careers than those who don't. Nowhere in the study does it say that a meniscus tear ended a career. And the second study actually said that the majority of players were able to come back from it. So congrats on finding a study that proved that a career can end, for NFL players, over this, but it is very rare. So you kinda got one point right, although it proves the opposite point you were trying to make. You would think if this kids knee injury were so bad it was one of the very few to end a players career, he wouldn't have signed on to play football shortly after another doctor told him he was fine

Jinxed

May 8th, 2015 at 10:20 PM ^

Those studies didn't have a 100% return to sport rate. It's just not in the abstract. Here's one that includes the number in the abstract. http://www.bjjprocs.boneandjoint.org.uk/content/92-B/SUPP_III/417.6 "From our cohort 96% of sportsmen from the medial meniscectomy group were able to return to professional sports, compared to 88% in the lateral meniscectomy group." An outcome that occurs 4‰ and 12% of the time is not extremely rare.

BigBlue02

May 8th, 2015 at 10:46 PM ^

You continue to miss the point, but I'm not surprised. The outcome is rare, it is extremely rare when another doctor tells you that you should be fine in a couple months. This isn't a difference of telling someone they will never play football again and telling them it will take years to get better, it's the difference of telling someone that they will never play football again and they will be fine by the beginning of summer. I haven't figured out why you think OSU has nothing to gain by cutting him loose.

CodeBlue82

May 9th, 2015 at 5:54 AM ^

As a physician, I have an obligation to question this decision. The head of the sports medicine department could have allowed more time for rehab, before making a decision. He had a moral and legal duty to put his patient's best interests first. Did he fail to do so?

blueblueblue

May 8th, 2015 at 9:55 PM ^

Like I was trying to say above, adding in that last paragraph really complicates things. It makes for an interesting story, but probably has nothing to do with it. 

seabass1974

May 8th, 2015 at 6:21 PM ^

Well, we will know who the shady people are in 6 to 9 months. Either OSU screwed this kid and Auburn gave him a chance or Auburn is about to mess this kid's livelyhood up. Hopefully for this kid it's neither.

RationalBuckeye

May 9th, 2015 at 9:14 AM ^

Sure, but when the doctors issued the initial prognosis, Meyer accepted a commitment from another CB. Why cut a promising kid who hasn't even had a chance to prove himself, and then take a replacement, if you're trying to get under scholarship numbers?



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CodeBlue82

May 9th, 2015 at 5:25 AM ^

When physicians aren't sure about a case like this, they rely on "expectant mananagement," aka "tincture of time" to determine what to do. There was no medical reason, it seems, why Ohio State could not have used this wait-and-see approach. So ethically-speaking, the team physician should have delayed making a recommendation, in his patient's best interest.