"In my mind there isn't that much of a difference between Austin White and Nick Hill. "
Unfortunately for you, no one agrees with this.
Nick Hill - 5.6, 3*, #10 APB, Faster, Shitty Offers
Austin White - 5.7, 3*, #32 RB, Bigger, Better Offers
You're right. Not similar at all.
Nick Hill's offers:
MSU, Stanford, EMU, CMU, Kent State, Toldeo
Austin White's offers:
Alabama, Illinois, Iowa, LSU, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Wisconsin
I'll give you a guess which one has the consensus support of the coaches in NCAA football.
Also, do you know Austin White? I wonder how you gauge his "love" of any University?
Also, if you look at their number grades on Rivals, White is ranked higher. He's the highest a 3 star can be without getting a 4th. Hill is middle of the pack.
If you look at my post you'll see that I included the rivals rating and I know and acknowledge that White has better offers, but thanks for the info. Also, Bama hasn't offered according to rivals.
It's not so much that I think White doesn't love Michigan, but are you seriously going to argue that it's more than Hill does?
I don't think you understand what my position actually is: I am realistic enough to know that you can't win the NC taking chances with guys like Nick Hill all the time, but at the same time I'm romantic enough to want one or two guys every once in a while who hold Michigan above all others. see also: bluebloodedfan's post
are you seriously going to argue that it's more than Hill does?
Do you know Nick Hill? I don't. I have no fucking clue what their relative love of Michigan is. But I'm going to GUESS that a kid who commits to MSU 7 months before signing day doesn't bleed Maize and Blue.
If a middling recruit expresses his die hard love of all things Michigan, that recruit doesn't have an offer and, in fact, is fishing for one from Michigan. there are two possibilities:
1) he camps, earns an offer and is solid or,
2) he camps, does NOT earn an offer and immediately commits to State... or Duke or something.
in any case, "I love Michigan" translates to, "I'll commit to State if Michigan doesn't want me."
Do you follow recruiting? Its pretty obvious I don't know, everywhere, that Michigan was Hill's #1 and he would commit before RichRod finished his sentence offering him a scholarship.
Hill went to Michigan's camp trying to get an offer, didn't get one, maybe he thought that was his last chance to get it. Maybe he thought by committing to State it would force RichRod to show his hand and offer him i.e. leverage. Maybe Dantonio said "This offer expires in one week" a la Mack Brown. Maybe he thought "what the fuck. I'll commit to State and if Michigan offers later I'll go there. Otherwise, I'm in the same place I would be if they don't offer."
But your right I don't know him, but please keep using that argument. I'll help you out. NO, I don't know Kim Jong Il. NO, I don't know Barack Obama. So, based on your argument, I have no idea what those guys are all about. After all, all I know is the shit they say and do.
You know that your position is week when you need to erect strawmen like crazy, use your mind-meld with Nick Hill and Austin White, and throw out hypothetical after hypothetical. The reason is because hypotheticals are the only thing that back your case - not facts.
I have no doubt that Michigan was Nick Hill's first choice - he wouldn't have lobbied so hard for an offer if it wasn't. What I am saying is that is he was as obsessed with UM as you seem to want us to think, he probably would have held out some, given that he has 7 months to make a decision instead of committing to an in-state rival.
None of this denigrates Nick Hill at all - he got an offer from a good football program - the best one he's gotten. Congratulations to him.
Unless Nick Hill found out that MSU was only planning on bringing a couple of RB's on board this recruiting year and realized that if he doesn't commit now and Michigan never offers he's going to be stuck playing for Grand Valley.
So Nick was wise to decide now to ride the bench for a 6-6 team instead of waiting for an offer that'll never come from future champions Michigan....even if U of M was his destination of choice.
Because two things have similarities it means they are similar. Got it. Do you evaluate girls this way too?
sim⋅i⋅lar⋅i⋅ty [sim-uh-lar-i-tee]
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the state of being similar; likeness; resemblance.
2. an aspect, trait, or feature like or resembling another or another's: a similarity of diction.
A Crown Victoria and a Ferrari both have V8 engines. They are similar!
I agree with you Shock. Kids I suppose RR must know something that we don't about Austin White though. I mean, don't get me wrong I like the kid, I just sorta had a soft spot for Nick because he loved the block M.
worst in the Big Ten, you still get a Big Ten education. Whatever else it may be, it is one giant fuckshow of competition. "Welcome to your class of thousands"... then they throw you off the boat, and it's sink or swim buddy. Scramble over your peers to the top and piss on the graves of their ambition.
Which helps when you first enter the work environment, and have to snatch that next promotion away from the veteran workers
I stand corrected. I was going off U.S. News and World Report which had them ranked #71 and for some reason I thought it was out of 120 schools, but its out of all schools. Better than I thought, thanks for teaching me something.
Just made people miss and when he got in the open field he was gone. Seemed like he would fit perfectly in RR's spread. Still July and if White or some other options don't work then RR can give Hill an offer and possibly pull him away from State.
Austin White is the better rated player. Haven't watched tape on either guy so I wouldn't know. I do hear Hill is an excellent player, so I wish him luck at MSU. I just hope we kill them every year.
V. Smith, Teric Jones, Fitzie (maybe to big for description), Tony Drake. Austin White, Clay, and Clements are all bigger and I hope we land one of the three. I would really like them to shock the world and get Lattimore but.....
relax! "Another beer dear"
aaaaand cue a replay of the "Dantonio has locked down the state of Michigan" refrain.
I know that not everybody thought he was worth an offer, but I'm still disappointed there wasn't room for him.
Hill would have been one of those guys who a lot of people in Ann Arbor wanted to see do good because he was local, and "local kid makes good" is always a heart-warming story.
He may prove to be a bona fide elite prospect and he may not. He does seem to be a typical MSU instate recruit to me, though: someone they can feel good about who wouldn't sniff an offer from a school like, for example, Florida.
I don't think it's that "he wasn't worth an offer", really. I think it became clear to him that he was a back-up plan if White fell through (the staff hasn't been shy about the fact that White is their preferred RB target in this class). If White goes elsewhere, I'm sure Hill will get a call.
RRod has been firing out offers to a bunch of recruits, yet this kid doesn't get one. Either they question the talent level or the fit for the offense. I refuse to beleive size is a big issuue, considering some of the other kids we have recruited and signed.
meh, hopefully we will get white.
Scout posted this article:
http://michiganstate.scout.com/2/876207.html
I think this kid wants to be wearing the maize and blue.
Hill to MSU doesn't bother me really. Good luck to him.
he still thinks that it's a competition to see who can get more instate players, instead of actually, you know, score more points than your opponent.
rich rod can't get every player you have to expect msu to get a couple here and there
Hill wasn't offered....seems RR didn't want him, or has other, better options.