NFL - Titans have 8 positive COVID tests, suspend team activities
The #Titans had three new player positives and five new personnel positives for COVID-19, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. Both Titans and Vikings, who hosted them Sunday, will suspend in person club activities starting today.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) September 29, 2020
After multiple positive COVID tests in their organization , the Titans are halting in-person work today and made this announcement: pic.twitter.com/2LDjIBgyor
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 29, 2020
Maybe not the beginning of the end, but changes will most likely be coming to the NFL schedule soon.
September 29th, 2020 at 11:11 AM ^
So the streak of 143,212 negative tests from the NFL came to screeching halt today?
Ok, now things are going to get very real. Especially if Viking players also test positive after playing them. Then what? Cancel games? Postpone them? What's the back up plan? This isnt like baseball where cancelling a few games doesnt really impact the end results (60 games scheduled) - cancelling one game of 16 is huge.
Woo boy. This is gonna knock the WD is gone talk right off the news cycle.
September 29th, 2020 at 11:12 AM ^
Not yet - WD wins the day.
September 29th, 2020 at 11:14 AM ^
Well, they'll all die or be severely hospitalized like all the other hundreds of athletes that have tested positive. Oh wait...none of them did.
Either way, PANIC
September 29th, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^
So your counter-example to the hundreds, if not thousands, of athletes across all sports who have tested positive, recovered, and continued to play, is one guy? Rodriguez had COVID and recovered back in July, but then continued to have myocarditis symptoms so they shut him down for the season. Okay, he missed two months and that's not nothing, but as of two days ago he's cleared to start physical activities in order to be ready for next season.
September 29th, 2020 at 2:29 PM ^
It's actually more than one guy. Here's a non-exhaustive list that took me a couple of minutes to pull together:
- Brady Feeney wound up in the hospital and is apparently still recovering.
- 14-year-old HS football player went into cardiac arrest due to COVID-19.
- Jamian Stephens, a defensive tackle at California University, died due to COVID-19 complications.
Again, I'm not going to get into yet another protracted argument about the amount of risk individuals are willing to take with COVID-19. But as we're seeing people can become quite ill from the disease, and there is a body of evidence that those conditions can extend beyond an initial infection. And I'd like to add that I have fewer issues with a professional athlete deciding to take those risks if he wants; he's got some financial skin in the game. College and HS athletes, on the other hand, don't.
September 29th, 2020 at 2:45 PM ^
Chad Dorrill, a 19 yr old basketball player at App State died yesterday.
https://www.hcpress.com/news/19-year-old-app-state-student-dies-from-covid-19-complications.html
Appalachian State University sophomore exercise science major Chad Dorrill died Monday night, Sept. 28, of COVID-19 complications.
Dorrill was a 19-year-old basketball player and graduate of Ledford High School in Thomasville.
“As our family suffers this incredible loss, we want to remind people to wear a mask and quarantine if you test positive even without symptoms. You have no idea who you can come in contact with that the virus affects differently. Chad was just incredibly tired for two weeks and little did we know it was secretly attacking his body in a way they have never seen before. The doctors said that Chad is the rarest 1-10,000,000 case but if it can happen to a super healthy 19-year-old boy who doesn’t smoke, vape, or do drugs, it can happen to anyone.”
September 29th, 2020 at 11:42 AM ^
Myocarditis is a serious heart condition, but the German study that first linked it with Covid-19 has been more closely scrutinized lately. A few details can be found here:
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/09/29/experts_raise_questions_over_scary_covid_heart_studies_111553.html
September 29th, 2020 at 11:45 AM ^
Ahh, the one guy argument always overturns the data!!
September 29th, 2020 at 1:03 PM ^
No. Peer reviewed science, however, does.
September 29th, 2020 at 3:33 PM ^
Yes, and the peer reviewed science and the actual data prove that risk from covid is equal to risk from flu-objectively, conclusively, inarguably.
September 29th, 2020 at 6:08 PM ^
How do you reconcile that the CDC says almost 5 times as many 15 to 24 year olds have died from Covid this year relative to the flu? Or that 28 times as many people have died in the US from Covid as compared to the flu this year?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
That seems to be using objective data. It seems to argue a very different conclusion than you’ve come to. Maybe you could provide this. “peer reviewed science and the actual data prove that risk from covid is equal to risk from flu-objectively, conclusively, inarguably”?
September 29th, 2020 at 2:24 PM ^
How about the 201,000 and counting number argument...this is nothing like the 'flu'..and anyone still parading around trying to make this out to be just another 'flu' is a moron. 200,000 relatives, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons..daughters etc. all Americans dead in NINE months...flu my ass.
And thats not to mention the hundreds of thousands struggling to recover from this and buried in the debt that the good ole American health 'care' system is handing them as a good bye present.
September 29th, 2020 at 3:43 PM ^
And the 200k+ is despite shutting down much of the country for months, shutting down schools, and establishing social distancing and mask wearing rules which slowed the spread of the coronavirus considerably, and had not been done for the flu.
September 29th, 2020 at 3:44 PM ^
I like calling it the flu just so some guy on the internet can go berserk and think he’s a scientist for a day
September 29th, 2020 at 5:10 PM ^
He wasn't arguing against the data but the statement that "none of them did." When arguing against 'none,' the one guy argument wins.
September 29th, 2020 at 11:50 AM ^
Or they will be like the (at most recent count) 68,000 college students testing positive for Covid this fall. Hmm, how many hospitalizations resulted from that surge of cases, which, let's be honest, is all the news really wants to discuss? ONE. One person hospitalized, zero deaths, zero documented spread to adult staff resulting in death. This fact is therefore guaranteed to be negged and dismissed as wrong because reasons, having nothing to do with those facts.
And we know from the data also that Infection fatality ratio for anyone under 50 is statistically the same as flu. And only somewhat higher than flu for those over.
https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1254475378795651072
We've had lots of Covid deaths, Covid is real, and all deaths are sad, Covid or other. But that's not an excuse to ignore actual data and not to put those deaths in context and perspective. Several positive tests on an NFL team are not something we should be worrying about. Positive tests in college students should be noted and then put into the context that those students are no more in danger than from the flu.
September 29th, 2020 at 12:58 PM ^
Can't imagine any of you are actually this obtuse - the issue isn't, and was hardly ever, the danger to athletes (or college kids, in your analogy). It's those kids who spread it to the bartender who spreads it to his parents who give it to their bridge partners...and on and on.
It's also how we have this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/15/maine-wedding-covid/
The headline? A Maine super-spreader wedding that caused at least seven deaths...none of whom actually attended the wedding.
Anyways, it's not worth arguing with people who bury their hand in the sand to basic facts - but to sit here and say there is no risk to the public for willingly carry on a high-risk activity is just putting your fingers in your ear and screaming LALALA.
September 29th, 2020 at 1:13 PM ^
Using your example, if the bartender is at risk, he should not be bartending. That's unfortunate for him, but better than shutting down the entire bar and preventing all of society from going to bars.
Or, if the bartender has parents over a certain age, then those parents need to take precautions. Same goes for the bridge partners.
The fact remains that for the overwhelming majority of the population, COVID is no more likely to result in fatality than the flu (and for kids and young adults, it is actually less deadly).
That does not mean to take it lightly. We should do things such as washing our hands frequently, outdoors better than indoors when practical, masks use when distancing cannot be maintained (but not necessarily at all times, when outside or when distancing can be maintained), and using some basic common sense. Let's avoid hand shaking, perhaps hugs and kisses as a greeting, and try not to overcrow elevators and office spaces. But, allowing otherwise healthy people to engage in sports, or to spectate such sports, no longer makes sense when we know so much more now than we did back in March.
Also, shutting down so many of the aspects of society that bring happiness and community is not a good, long-term strategy. It made sense back in March / April to "flatten the curve" but in almost all locations, that has happened. The fear of overrun hospitals, people dying waiting for ventilators and the like never came into fruition.
September 29th, 2020 at 3:35 PM ^
"The fact remains that for the overwhelming majority of the population, COVID is no more likely to result in fatality than the flu (and for kids and young adults, it is actually less deadly)."
mgoblog--where facts go to get negged
September 29th, 2020 at 5:34 PM ^
Please don't start this shit again. I really, really don't feel like getting back into this but if you guys persist I definitely will.
September 29th, 2020 at 7:07 PM ^
Your post is an abomination.
Covid fatality is far higher than the flu in every age group, and also we can all get a flu vaccine if we are worried. These are now facts and irrefutable even though COVID deaths are actually underreported.
Hospitals are not overrun because people are doing a better job of wearing masks, social distancing, and avoiding spreader events, like bars, parties, and crowded stadiums. This has reduced the retransmission rate from over 2 to just about .9 for the last 6 weeks in many locations including where I am. .9 is a flat curve. Quarantines cause a dropping curve and are needed when the outbreak is growing exponentially as it was at the start
And despite this knowledge you are suggesting we open bars and stadiums! Logic is not your friend.
September 29th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^
I absolutely love the argument that posts like mine are "burying head in the sand to basic facts" while my post was almost exclusively facts-not one single one of which you bothered to address or counter. Except to respond with an anecdote.
Which would be fine, except that you do so with an arrogance that literally stands on nothing but your own hubris.
Meanwhile in the land of reality that observes data and the facts, we find that schools opening are not increasing spread, here or elsewhere. GA schools open six weeks and nothing. Colleges open a month and no increased spread other than some random increases in positive tests and no increase in the real metric that matters--hospitalizations and deaths.
It's understandable for people like you to take your positions in ignorance of the data. What isn't as easily understandable is for you to be is igorant and also at the same time arrogant. That's a bad combo.
September 29th, 2020 at 1:56 PM ^
There was plenty of facts and data published about school spreads contributing to out breaks in towns. So yes clearly your blinders are on. These were published back in September but I am certainly not going to waste my time finding them again given that you will just ignore them again. Your complaint about others not using facts and data when you are ignoring the facts and data reminds me of the big orange pathological lair calling everyone else liars despited his long history of documented lies and his admitting he lies because he can get away with it.
Or worse it reminds me of the orange guy who was elected with completely made up newspaper sites that contained completely made up stories targeted at voter groups in social media based on whether they wanted get those voters enraged to get them out to vote or suppress their vote. Yet when after the election an in-depth story was published about this completely “fake news” in a well regarded mainstream paper the orange guy’s response was to call the legitimate publication fake news. It worked so well he started calling any news organization critical of him (which is their job and exactly what the free press is protected in the constitution for) fake liberal media.
Oh and look, I did a quick google search and the first 10 articles were about how the biggest outbreaks were in towns where college kids were returning to school, or similar. Here is the first one:
Hey did you know there is this thing called google.
September 29th, 2020 at 3:38 PM ^
"There was plenty of facts and data published about school spreads contributing to out breaks in towns. So yes clearly your blinders are on. These were published back in September but I am certainly not going to waste my time finding them again given that you will just ignore them again."
You are wrong, period.
September 29th, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^
You again ignored the data at the end. Here is the same link you ignored above.
And your only response is to say “you are wrong, period.” You sound like you’re in a playground debate in grade school. That wouldn’t even work in middle school.
You are even more like the pathological liar calling everyone else liars. He too has no ability to read a full report or use google.
September 29th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
You idiot he posted data refuting your claim and you ignored it.
Your bias is showing ......
September 29th, 2020 at 6:41 PM ^
Over 60% of the states are seeing a 14 day increasing trend in covid cases.
https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/
September 29th, 2020 at 5:04 PM ^
You can’t argue with the people who still support the Orange Guy. He admitted on tape that he recognized that COVID was deadlier than the flu but downplayed it. Yet his supporters are still parroting the same bullsh*t about COVID being the same as the flu. I am sure that some of the people in this thread also believe that the Orange Guy is an excellent businessman who pays his fair share of taxes and was only refusing to release his tax returns because he was undergoing an audit. Rinse. Repeat. Swallow.
I don’t know what’s wrong with these people. I don’t know what makes them so angry at facts or science or just at the world generally. Because they are very angry people. Once upon a time we would have seen them standing on a street corner wearing a tinfoil hat and shouting the things they are now typing in this thread. Now they have social media, Fox News, and a criminal in the White House that allow them to express their angry, antisocial ravings without consequence. Sadly, we can’t just cross the street to avoid them anymore; we actually have to live — and die — because their angry and paranoid delusions have enabled craven people like the Orange Guy to mismanage the country into a pandemic.
So, sure, I give up. You angry people are right—those of us concerned about COVID are part of a vast left wing conspiracy determined to undermine the Orange Guy and, I don’t know, take away your rights to choose to wear confederate flags instead of face masks. It’s not about thinking that a government and society should protect the vulnerable or minimize suffering. It’s not about listening to scientists and doctors and trying to enact informed, though of course potentially fallible, policies. It’s not about trying to ensure the general welfare (stupid Constitution). I give up, you got me. I think we should take COVID seriously because, and only because, I dislike the Orange Guy. That is the causal order. Very fortunate we had a deadly pandemic to coalesce around.
September 29th, 2020 at 2:00 PM ^
GA schools open six weeks and nothing.
Huh? Georgia has the seventh-highest case number per capita (2,816/100k) and has 9,000 cases in the last 7 days. That's not a great record. It's sure as hell not "nothing."
September 29th, 2020 at 3:37 PM ^
there is not one single increase tied to school opening--zero. There is no increase in spread from any country in Europe either ties to schools. There is literally--and please, use google all you like--zero science behind keeping schools closed.
September 29th, 2020 at 3:44 PM ^
Really? Now do deaths. Now do hospitalizations. Case #'s for a virus with a large number of asymptomatic younger people and with very high false positives caused by too high PCR cycle settings are one stat, but not even in the same planet as what matters--hospital capacity and deaths. Hospital capacity, which we almost hear hear quoted because it doesn't back up the science free argument--remember the sunbelt spikes we were so worried about? No hospital overwhelming, not even close. So instead let's raise panic about cases. Covid after NY numbers fell is no longer a pandemic, it's a casedemic.
September 29th, 2020 at 4:06 PM ^
PCR cycle settings, bingo...someone has been doing their homework. *tip of the hat*
September 29th, 2020 at 4:47 PM ^
what's 'too high PCR cycle settings'?
you mean too many cycles?
September 29th, 2020 at 5:38 PM ^
it doesn’t take much to find hospitals that were overwhelmed. It would be an even easier task to find ones that were close. Just because you choose to ignore it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
HOUSTON — Houston hospitals have been forced to treat hundreds of COVID-19 patients in their emergency rooms — sometimes for several hours or multiple days — as they scramble to open additional intensive care beds for the wave of seriously ill people streaming through their doors, according to internal numbers shared with NBC News and ProPublica.
At the same time, the region’s 12 busiest hospitals are increasingly telling emergency responders that they cannot safely accept new patients, at a rate nearly three times that of a year ago, according to data reviewed by reporters.
Tucson nurse Ben Gerkin wrote on Facebook on June 14 that he works at a COVID-19 Intensive Care Unit. What he has seen is unlike anything in nearly 10 years as a registered nurse.
“I have never looked around my 100% full ICU and genuinely thought that there is the possibility of NO survivors,” Gerkin wrote. “Hospitals are at the point where we can’t accept all patients and are making decisions based on if they have the chance of survival. We are also not able to provide all treatment modalities such as dialysis on all patients based on futility of the situation.”
September 29th, 2020 at 5:18 PM ^
On August 1 (before school re-opened), Georgia had 3547 daily cases (7-day average).
On September 1 (post school re-opening), Georgia had 2049 daily cases (7-day average).
As of yesterday (still post school re-opening), Georgia had 1134 daily cases (7-day average).
How do those numbers above support an argument of "school is leading to many new cases in Georgia?"
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/georgia/
September 29th, 2020 at 7:33 PM ^
I thought you were supposed to be a data guy yet you use such broad numbers that are clearly going to be full of noise. You would never see a data science guy post something like you did.
Here is an actual study.
One of many for college re-openings. Colleges and college towns are easier to evaluate with less noise in the data. But your idea of looking at an entire state at individual monthly intervals and some how suggest that it correlates to school reopenings, when there are so many other potential more material causes for case rates to change, is idiotic. Any thing specific to Georgia has to look at the actual policies in each district and the daily impact in each town. Policies by district vary widely.
If you really are a data guy then your post is intentionally misleading.
September 29th, 2020 at 2:35 PM ^
I know this wasn’t aimed at me, but I did counter your facts below.
“It's understandable for people like you to take your positions with an incredibly selective use of the data. What isn't as easily understandable is for you to be is igorant and also at the same time arrogant. That's a bad combo.”
September 29th, 2020 at 5:22 PM ^
Actually Gwinnett county schools were closed for August and most of September. All distance learning. Just beginning to go back to partial in-school instruction now. You are simply wrong.
September 29th, 2020 at 1:28 PM ^
Can you provide one example of the outbreaks among MLB teams, college football teams, any other sport that has gone on since the summer, which has led to further outbreaks and deaths within unrelated populations? I haven't heard any yet so I'm curious why you use the example of a wedding in a state with no professional sports as an example of why sports is a high-risk activity.
Also, nobody is arguing that there is no risk, or that no precautions should be taken. Just that a reasonable risk-assessment can lead you to the conclusion that the sports themselves aren't inherently high-risk (most football is played outside, coaches are wearing masks, and players are tested constantly) and whatever remaining risk that can't be mitigated is acceptably small. I don't find that unreasonable, especially since it's the same argument for having the outdoor assemblies we've seen across the country all summer.
September 29th, 2020 at 1:42 PM ^
Ah yes, good thing it’s impossible for college students to spread the virus to anyone else in the community. Sure maybe your transmission chain killed someone’s grandmother but you didn’t even get hospitalized so who cares right?
September 29th, 2020 at 1:44 PM ^
People of college age are clearly in less danger of dying from Covid, then those who are older, but they are also significantly more likely to die from covid then the flu. Most recent data from CDC for the 15 to 24 year old category, 353 deaths involving covid, 53 involving the flu.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
For other ages
25 to 34 - 1457 covid to 151 flu
35 to 44 - 3809 Covid to 250 flu
45 to 54 - 10057 Covid to 577 flu
Another way to look at this is based on 2018 deaths by age/cause
15 to 24 - flu was 8th with 200, Covid would be at just about 6th with 353 (6th is congenital abnormalities at 354, but I suspect we’ll see a few more covid deaths in this age range this year.
25 to 34 - Covid would be 6th with 1457 (and would knock flu out of top 10).
35 to 44 - Covid would be 5th at 3809 (and flu would move to 10th at 956).
45 to 54 - Covid would be fourth with 10057 and would knock flu (at 2339 out of top 10).
Unless you are 14 or under Covid has clearly been more deadly than the flu this year and it is not particularly close for any of those age groups 15 and up. So lets not ignore actual data and claim that Covid is no worse than the flu.
September 29th, 2020 at 2:55 PM ^
You DO know the difference between our current CoVid-19 "rolling total" that has been aggregating results for 9 months...whereas the flu data typically is restricted to a 13-week "season" and is reset.
Not exactly comparing the same data...especially since the Flu diagnoses as cause of death have a higher bar of evidence, whereas it has been proven a lot (majority? Idk) of CoVid-19 deaths have comorbidities or were NOT the primary cause of death - but still get added to that same erroneous running total (erroneous for the sake of comparing to the flu, to be clear).
September 29th, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^
Your arguments are all completely one sided. There is plenty of evidence that covid deaths are far underreported. Further, underreporting in the first couple of months was far far under. As far as normalizing data vs the flu, the same co-morbidities exist. Finally, I could care less about the flu deaths compare to COVID because we all have the option of getting a flu shot. Most elderly do get a flu shot.
About 25% of the excess deaths in the US during the pandemic over an average year are not attributed to COVID or anything else and most of these are likely under reported COVID deaths. Peru is far higher in underreported COVID deaths where South Africa is far lower and more accurate. Further, deaths attributed to diabetes, asthma, and other co morbidities were far higher than average and these too were likely underreported COVID deaths.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w
Bottom line, the arguments for and magnitude of potential underreported COVID deaths far exceed the arguments for and possible magnitude of over-reported deaths.
September 29th, 2020 at 4:25 PM ^
COVID deaths underreported? Are you serious clark?
If anything, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Unassociated deaths labelled as COVID deaths.
Since someone is a fan of the Google response above with snark - I won't add to that.
September 29th, 2020 at 8:06 PM ^
You ignored the data provided. There are plenty of studies pointing to underreported COVID deaths.
Now most of the very popular discussion about over reporting covid deaths on right wing media is anecdotal. “They are being paid to code all deaths as covid even if they are not” was one report. These stories are meant to inflame. The actual data proves otherwise.
Here is another fun fact for you. Lies and conspiracy theories are shared and spread about 6X more than actual truthful news and facts.
This is especially true of political news. What that proves is you will likely see 6X the fake news compared to real facts. It’s even worse if you are in a right wing echo chamber. The orange man believes that most people wont check the facts and if he just keeps repeating a lie it will become truth.
You need more than google to tell truth from lies. Let’s take Washington newspapers for example. What is the difference between a story on the Washington Post, Washington Examiner, or the Washington Times? Let’s see what your truth meter can come up with? I doubt you’ll answer because you clearly can mot tell the difference.
September 29th, 2020 at 5:56 PM ^
Comparing seasonal influenza (flu)mortality to the mortality rate of coronavirus 2019 (COVID-19) is a threat to public health and demonstrates the lack of understanding about how the data is collected for each infection by varying agencies, according to a Viewpoint published in JAMA Internal Medicine.
Authors from Brigham and Women’s Hospital and Emory University School of Medicine outlined why the apparent equivalence of deaths from COVID-19 and seasonal influenza are not capturing the entirety of the situation.
They said that public officials continually draw comparisons between the 2 infections, “often in an attempt to minimize the effects of the unfolding pandemic.”
The number of deaths from COVID-19 was estimated in early May to be approximately 65,000, which the authors agreed appeared similar to the estimated number of seasonal influenza deaths reported every year by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
However, that represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the way the CDC reports seasonal influenza morbidity and mortality.
From 2013-14 to 2018-19, the CDC reported yearly estimates of influenza deaths ranging from 23,000-61,000. However, the number of counted influenza deaths during those 2 seasons was 3448 and 15,620, respectively.
It would be more accurate to compare weekly counts of COVID-19 deaths to weekly counts of seasonal influenza deaths, the authors said, due to COVID-19 fatalities being counted and reported directly instead of estimated.
By the numbers, according to the paper:
- There were 15,455 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week ending April 21, 2020.
- There were 14,478 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week prior.
- There were 351 flu deaths during the peak week (week 11 of 2016) of the flu season in 2015-16.
- There were 1626 flu deaths during the peak week (week 3 of 2018) of the flu season in 2018-19.
“These statistics on counted deaths suggest that the number of COVID-19 deaths for the week ending April 21 was 9.5-fold to 44.1-fold greater than the peak week of counted influenza deaths during the past 7 influenza seasons in the US, with a 20.5-fold mean increase,” the authors wrote.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/why-comparing-flu-covid-19-severity-not-equivalent
September 29th, 2020 at 12:13 PM ^
Yes because ignore positive tests or “PANIC” are the only two possible options.
September 29th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
Hey,
I just wanted to let you know some asshole must have hacked your account and is posting random bullshit opinions and trying to pass them off as a fact. Just thought you wanted to know.
K thanks bye
September 29th, 2020 at 12:41 PM ^
The daughter of the Titans' GM has three auto-immune diseases. If this were to spread to the GM, it's a huge deal because of her situation, but fuck that kid right?!