Magic_Fan

November 6th, 2023 at 1:59 PM ^

There is absolutely nothing new in this "report" by ESPN other than a statement from CMU's AD that says CMU "continues its review of the matter in cooperation with the NCAA". 

What a bunch of hacks. Just an effort to keep this story on its headlines.

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m_go_T

November 6th, 2023 at 2:04 PM ^

Per the article:

Jain said the system produced a similarity score of 0.6 when comparing the two photographs. To validate that score, Jain and Grosz compared Stalions' photo to a database of more than 4,500 photos of white males.

"The reason why it's 0.6 is because there's a disguise," Jain told ESPN. "If I take an identical photo, it would be one. Even changes in the pose, illumination, expression, sunglasses, the match will never be perfect. Based on this analysis, the two images are of the same person with high confidence."

0.6 is not any kind of high confidence.  Not saying it wasn't him, but this is just laughable.

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bronxblue

November 6th, 2023 at 2:27 PM ^

I assume that's part of the point - it's probably him but whatever analysis he's using here is coming back with "yeah, he's a white guy with a goatee" and that has a ceiling in terms of correlation/confidence.  It's why I found it funny he said this was a "disguise" - it's a pair of sunglasses.  Good facial recognition software (which I assume this "state of the art" one is) can work around that pretty well.  I'd assume it would be a higher confidence number than 0.6.

Also, I looked the guy up and while the article says "distinguished professor at MSU's EECS" department, his actual title is  University Distinguished Professor, which basically means MSU put "distinguished" in his title like a nickname.  He's probably a good CS professor but it's weird they tried to sneak that by everyone.

I think it's Stalions but there have got to be better people you can talk to than this one guy at MSU.

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bronxblue

November 6th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^

Yeah, I don't know a ton about facial recognition software but when I was in grad school a decade+ ago I remember a computer vision course that was making decent strides at handling stuff like fake facial hair, glasses, hats, etc.  The technology is there, and so if he's waffling here it makes me think his results are a bit wonky but he knows it's Stalions and doesn't want to say his state-of-the-art research is worse than my eyeballs and slight context clues.

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sharklover

November 6th, 2023 at 3:40 PM ^

Your iphone uses an infrared dot matrix array to generate a three dimensional map of your face. It is not using image processing software on a two dimensional image. 

I believe that Samsung and Google use their cameras for facial recognition, and I understand they do a much worse job of it than the iPhone does.

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MGlobules

November 6th, 2023 at 2:28 PM ^

You're right that the scale and its operation are not laid out--and here they're just cutting and pasting from a previous article. OTOH, the investigator said that the score was strong enough to indicate great likelihood of a match.

I don't think CMU's protests of uncertainty are going to wear well, though.

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bighouse22

November 6th, 2023 at 3:38 PM ^

This is laughable.  The suggestion that 60% if high confidence is ridiculous.  That being said, and this is only opinion, I tend to agree with the theory that CMU was aware that Conner Stallions was really good at deciphering other teams signs and may have hired him.  That would explain why he had the pass to be near the coaches.  It seems like they are slow walking on their investigation, which is suspect.

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TIMMMAAY

November 6th, 2023 at 3:45 PM ^

It's unlikely to be CMU as an institution. That would be very stupid of them. Much more likely one of their coaches, and one with power to issue a sideline pass... in a different name. Recall McElwain's press conference, where he stated he didn't know about it, and the sideline pass was not issued in his name. They were "tracing it back...". 

We'll soon find out, I'm sure. 

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readyourguard

November 6th, 2023 at 2:00 PM ^

Central got some 'splainin to do. 

The FOIA requests for phones/emails from that week will be highly interesting.  Somebody knows who that person is (lol) and hasn't stepped forward.  Could it be McElwain?

 

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Suavdaddy

November 6th, 2023 at 2:35 PM ^

Agreed and raised this elsewhere - if he did invite him - he's probably technically on CMU's staff.  Does that make it a violation if he is a dual, though temporary, staff member?  Certainly isn't contemplated, but certainly makes Michigan look less bad (would never be cleared internally) and frankly make it not even a violation in the first place.

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