Good pickup for MSU
Good pickup for MSU
Per front page too. But yeah, solid for them.
why did we say no again?
Full at DB
we were still recruiting Latimore and Smith when we dropped him. Also why did we need a small, slow 4th LB more than an athletic safety?
I was a little bit disappointed that Michigan stopped recruiting him, because I thought the Wolverines had a chance. I still think Jarrod Wilson is going to be good down the road, but I'm not really high on anyone else except Dymonte Thomas. I would not be surprised to see Nicholson tear up in East Lansing.
I feel like I've heard good things about Delano Hill. What is your issue with him specifically?
For starters, he's a Cass Tech guy.
As was Thomas Gordon. He turned out just fine.
I was only half joking. It seems like we have a very low hit-rate with 4/5 star recruits from Cass Tech.
Here's what I saw out of him coming out of high school:
And in basically a full season of playing on coverage units, he has 1 tackle. That's not a death knell in itself, but I just don't see him as a playmaker.
why dont you know this information already, analyzed it and told us if 1 tackle is really bad, bad or acceptable?
I'm a slacker.
Check out the youtube link. Type in #6 Montae Nicholson s,cb,wr. Click on the top option.
Here's a sample of the film that scholarship offering schools (like FSU, Miami Fla, OSU, Penn St., Oregon, and other bowling teams) saw.
Spoiler alert - he has more than one tackle.
And if you care to watch, MSU told him he can play both Safety and WR. May want to save him from playing K/P return, but he's clearly solid there too.
This is a bigtime pick up.
Edit: Dangit. Thought I you were talking about Nicholson.
Point remains. He's a big time player.
Nicholson is ranked #193 in the 247 Composite
You could add Michigan to the list of schools that offered him. It's a nice list, but who knows how many of those offers were still out there for him? The 247 crystal ball picks were 53% MSU, 27% Pitt, 17% PSU, 3% Mich.
And most people thought he'd go there I think until very recently (I'm guessing you'll see a lot of people switched their crystal ball very recently). I assume with FSU being in the top 3 that they still had an offer on the table as well.
Recruiting in general is strange though. Just because the offer isn't on the table doesn't always mean that that player wouldn't have had that offer still under different circumstances. I think he was a Michigan caliber player and likely would have retained an offer if there were more available slots. There are certainly cases where there are "non-commitable offers", which makes this whole thing called recruiting from an outside perspective more difficult to judge, but as far as Nicholson, I don't think that was the case.
I suspect many of the better programs that offered looked at Nicholson the same way Michigan did. He was a good prospect, but not a priority and not someone to hold a spot for.
So next season aren't we officially down the road?
Maybe, kinda, sorta. I really wish he could have redshirted in 2012. I don't like young safeties. He was decent this year and should be even better next year and the year after that.
I think in a year Michigan doesn't have Peppers as well as a glut of young DBs things are a little different with a Parker Westphal or Montae Nicholson. I know more about Parker because of Todd Howard. Basically the Michigan coaches felt he was on the same level with Brandon Watson and wanted him to make an early decision, which he wasn't ready to do and Watson was. The rankings don't show that; their play might.
Part of recruiting so far out in advance is they strategically don't wait around for guys unless they're major difference makers.
The biggest thing Todd stressed was how great of a kid Parker is. He seems like a great fit for Northwestern and considering their problems at DB the last few years it's a great pickup for them. It's too bad he couldn't fit in this class, but that's what you get with a non-oversigning program that has most of its 2015 recruiting done at this point.
Reminds me of Brandon Smith from Carrs last class.
I think Nicholson's got a little more range than Smith, which is what makes it even more disappointing. Smith was essentially a tweener his entire career (even at Temple). Nicholson can be a true deep cover guy.
Agreed. Smith was bound for a linebacker position all along, but for Rodriguez, he was supposed to be a S/LB hybrid. Nicholson could be an actual safety, in my opinion, not a hybrid type of player.
Well East Lansing is a destination now.
Their football team hasn't seen such success since 1988 (IIRC), their head coach and defensive coordinator are mentioned with regard to vacant HC positions, and the MBB team is ranked 5th in the country.
Of course, history tells us this will not last forever.
One Yahoo article names Dantonio as a candidate for a bigger job. He never gets contacted, but is asked about the job.
Not many people want a guy who is old, can't recruit and bases his system off playing older players (I.e. Long to set up).
I can't believe how much traction that Yahoo story has gotten with you guys.
Not be a Dantonio apologist but Bo had a heart attack during his first season and coached successfully for 20 more years. Dantonio is only 57 so he probably has 8 more seasons left in him.
I think his point is Dantonio takes a few years to get his system up, and at UT waiting 3 years means death. At MSU he lucked into his 2-4th years coinciding with the Rich Rod period, and those wins gave him the stability he needed to basically build another Wisconsin.
I have a feeling he'll get coached up pretty well in EL. Waiting for Hand and McDowell might come back to bite us in the arse, I hope not though.
Because of recruiting two DL?
That makes no sense.
I feel better about that now, still a nice get for MSU, they're not gonna go away anytime soon, with a hopefully improved U-M program moving forward with OSU and MSU and PSU (when they get back to their usual status), it's gonna be a tough division to win year in and year out.
Yet, they are losing their core of the D... lets see if they recover from losing Bullough, Denard, Lewis, among others.... odds are that they will take a big hit.
I really don't think they will. As long as they have the same coaching staff, they're just going to reload on defense. They might not have a First Team All-American ready to step in for Dennard, but there are going to be underclassmen from this year who improve to become stars. We said the same thing about MSU a couple years ago, and they've just plugged new guys in there.
So I guess that makes them the real "Michigan" team... Good for them.
He is a solid pickup for the Spartans though.
If the reason we stopped recruiting him in hopes to get juju smith I think that was a mistake. He seemed like a guy who could play safety or become an OLB
one thing to miss out on a guy like that who I feel has good potential. Another thing to let him go to a rival and get 4 reminders of that decision. I feel like Good Coach Matttison has a plan and so I will trust in that.
What about Bad Coach Mattison? Maybe he has taken over Good?
I just know it
How many more Bulloughs are there?
and that's just in the class of 2015
You shut your filthy whore mouth.
on a policy for Bullough balls.
Gotta keep them gems insured.
Everytime you block him a new one is born.
Jabrill will be the bane of theirs.
I am involved with a high school football team and every year meet with the staee defensive staff to discuss various schemes, zone blitz packages, quarters coverages, etc (cool story bro nominee)...one concept that they have some of as great lengths recently is that of specific personneling of a field or in their terms a star backer. they indicated they like to use a hybrid safety/linebacker type in those role and recruit larger physical safeties out of high school for this specialized role. this player tends to align to the field (wide side) and is usually pulled out of "the box" making it crucial that they are able to 1)effectively re-route slot receivers, 2)take on down blocks by TE 3) be comfortable playing in space and making open field tackles.
long story short this kid has a real shot to excel in that role as he is a decent fit from my uneducated perspective
is one of the best insights I have read lately on this blog (assuming its true).
So is he going to be like the next Denicos Allen? I don't know if he was the "Star" but he was an undersized outside backer.
I'm a Spartan fan that loves to come here.
I freely admit it's a great site, and I'm a huge college football fan. I consider UofM our obvious #1 rival, so I like to read up on the latest rumors and insights. I do try to keep it civil, and occasionally add to the conversation without being a P.I.A.
But, I was thinking EXACTLY what you were thinking - after reading the informed post from the insider a few posts up top. The next Denicos Allen. I'm sure he was recruited as a safety, and Wr, as he was told. He'll likely get his chance to shine there. But, at his height, size, and apparant ability within this scheme, a position "might" become available to his best interest.
All is fair in recruiting and college football. Well, at least in the SEC.
Unlike Allen, he has much better NFL height/frame, and from the film I saw - speed, again...for an NFL future.
My hope sees him as an absolute stud at Safety or hybrid LB. But stud is as stud does. We'll see.
And studs find a way into to the NFL.
Saw some film. Already really, really fast 6'2 202 guy with great instincts - O and D. 4-5 years from now....?
Color me green, but not with envy:)
There's at least 4 positions I can see him excelling at - and CB would be possible a 5th.
Unforunately, this moves MSU up to the 36th ranked class on Rivals. A couple more stud, and we may move below the 30's. Our best classes, and most of our NFL drafted players - Jr's and Sr's alike, typically come from our 30's and 40's ranked classes. Getting a little nervous.
Hoping for a couple grossly underrated/under-scouted 2* guys like Sweat to round out the class.
(Smart ass falls just short of P.I.A.,right?:) )
I've been nervous. Dantonio can develop talent. Calhoun's emergence is incredible to me, a 3* 6'4" 220lbs as a recruit to 6'4" 250 All B1G player as a Rs Sophmore. It is an unsettling thought if Dantonio can start pulling in higher rated talent. But honestly I'm not surprised that higher rated recruits are starting to pick MSU.
I think the comments from die-hard, and/or fair-minded albeit disappoited UofM fans concerning the talent to win ratio, allow for the following comment:
It is a mixed bag. Dantonio called Calhoun MSU's next Julian Peterson on signing day. Lofty words for sure for a 6'5" 225 5.5 3* DE.
Dantonio was Saban's DC when Peterson (something you may like here) ruined OSU's national champs season (again:) ).
OSU was ranked #1 late in the season when Peterson came off the bench in the 3rd quarter for an injured IIRC Desmond Thomas. He turned the game around, single handedly. And that win put Saban on the map in a prime-time nationally televised football game. We were supposed to get slaughtered. Cooper's statement before the game: "Well, they're all scholarship players". That's what a coach says with a freak team playing IU.
Jack Conklin, Le'Veon Bell, Dennard, Waynes...these were recruiting wins - yes, against no one. But that's where he shines. Diamonds in the rough. His 3* list, has guys all over the NFL. Coaching up? Latent but unknown talent? Both?
MSU sources say that Sweat (2*) will be one of them, among a few other 3* guys in this class.
But like you said, there is plenty of development going on. MSU's starting D averaged exactly 3 stars. Is it just coaching up? Schemes? Play by play improv? Scouting steals? I think it's a mixed bag.
No one knows what the future of college football will hold. Nations rise and fall. Always have, always will. College football programs can't count themselves untouchable, or expect to see trends continue even 3 or 4 years into the future. But I don't see MSU not (yes, double negative) being a respectable and competitive program as long as Dantonio and much of his staff are still in place.
One note - I live in MI. You probably do to, if not at least 80% of the guys on here. We all know, have tollerable relationships, and likely have friends on the other side of the fence. It's fun having an instate rival. Don't have to like, and sometimes okay to hate. That's all. Not sure where I'm going now. Just having fun with this rivalry. If it's not fun, or it at least doesn't fall somewhere between entertaining and frustrating, then it's not worth following. And we're all Lions fans. We all get it :(, :).
An incontrivertable fact is that most of your fellow MSU fans have no respect for Michigan's achievements the past 100 years, and instead hate us with a real passion..... half of them hate because they desperately tried to get into Michigana and got rejected... incredibly petty sour grapes.... it is a real shame because MSU could be a fun rival, but if MSU fans were drowning, Michigan fans could throw them cinder blocks, and they'd truly deserve it. Granted, we do have our share of smug pricks, but it it nothing like the 85% of the lowlife Spartan nation, and again, its quite a shame.
MSU already has two players in the fold (Bullough and Frey) that are destined for the Star position, and they fit that position much better thatn Nicholson does as a defender (I'm a pretty big fan of Nicholson as a recruit, so this isn't a slight at him). Star is a hybrid LB/S position that leans toward LB. It's who they play at WILL (Allen was a SAM, FWIW, J. Jones and T. Jones were the Star LBs coming into the season). Nicholson is a true safety or WR, and at least initially (though they are now saying "he can make up his mind") MSU was recruiting Montae at the WR position.
I'd also just advice that, you're going to something MSU coaches are hosting in order to help you (and also help themselves in ways too, I know), but you should probably at least give them the respect of calling them by the proper name instead of "staee" considering the circumstances.
of Michigan passing on a guy that State picks up. Let's see how well he plays in 3+ years. Very interesting.
I might be one of the only ones that couldn't care less about recruiting stars. MSU got a player they liked, good for them, their staff obviously has an eye for talent regardless of stars. And you know what, so does ours, some of the best players we have are 3 star guys. Our staff can pick good talent too and it's not always the guys that Rivals and Scout say are great.
Have to trust our coaches.
I disagree with your final statement. Trust is earned unless you are put in a position where you have to blindly trust. The guys this coaching staff have recruited have not been around long enough to definitively say we have to trust the coaches. If the team rises to consistent 11-12 win status over the next 2-4 years, then I think you can say you have to trust the coaches, until then, you just have to watch and see.
pursuing Nicholas for what they considered good reasons. If we had insight into their rationale and long term thinking we might disagree or agree. No one here has access to the information that would provide that insight.
The coaches clearly had an intended role for Nicholas and apparently that role closed. Dantonio may have an entirely different role in mind for him and that role apparently was open. Again it is unlikely that any of us will ever know.
Yes 2-3 years down the road Nicholas might be a real thorn in our sides, but that does not mean that the team that he'll face would be better off with him as a wolverine. We'll all find out in a few years.
Is this not MGoBlog?
Careful, obsession starts out little like this. I'm seeing a few threads daily and if we aren't careful we will turn into the RCMB.
Ghost of Yost? Is that you?
Tend to agree. I don't think a rival picking up a commit is threeadworthy unless maybe they're five-star / national stature type.
It's slightly noteworthy when Michigan was his leader at one point.
Guarantee this is one that will haunt us like a freakin poltergeist.
100% - montae will play with a chip on his shoulder when he plays us
Are we still recruiting other DBs? I thought that's why he was dropped...
We're still recruiting two defensive backs from Cleveland (OH) Glenville: Marshon Lattimore and Erick Smith.
His film is impressive as hell...we passed on this guy? WTF?
Him & Cox roaming will have them set up nicely in the future. They've done well in PA lately (him, Cox, Sha Calhoun, etc)...