Minus Jones x2, Pace, Talbott, Stonum (?), how many hit APR?
Not knowing all the rules, I assume Pace, Talbott and T. Jones would not hit our APR since they are medical hardships. K. Jones does not since he did not enroll in school? I don't know where that falls. Stonum I assume would hit our APR if he is indeed released from school. I hope he can sort himself out for his own sake and not our APR.
Any clarification would be appreciated.
The medicals won't hit the APR. Stonum isn't going anywhere.... he'll stay on the team on suspension for a little while and will be back at some point. No APR hit there.
Not sure about Kellen Jones since the AD statement said (I think) he is "no longer" enrolled. Does that mean he enrolled, started this summer, and then had his issue(s)? Not sure if that one will reflect in the APR.
FWIW one of the more reliable posters on Rivals is dead set in believing that Hoke really wants Stonum back, and DB really wants him gone.
Did I miss Talbott being medicaled? Link?
Wow. I guess I missed this as well. I know it was rumored along with Pace, but man this really sucks. Even though both were not looking to contribute too much this year, our depth is now really hurting at these positions.
DT Terry Talbott
How many years does APR measure? 4 or 5 years? Hopefully, we can stay fine for a couple seasons until we remove that horrible year of attrition between Carr and Rodriguez.
I don't think Jones effects the APR, until he was officially on campus. Simply being enrolled is not enough.
Stonum is the only that could potentially effect the APR.
I also noticed that T. Jones has not been removed from the 2011 depth chart by class from this site. Is this an oversight or is he" medicaled"?
The official roster usually is the better one to go by. :D
So much for there not being many departures in the new regime, eh? Or can I look at this in a positive light and say that the medical hardship cases would have happened regardless of the coach?
Im not concerned in the least....
You can't contol who is going to have lasting medical issues. It's not going to affect APR, we don't have to worry about the ethical issues of a 26 person class, and these guys get a top-quality degree in a field of their choosing. It sucks that they won't see the field, but aside from that option, this is probably the next best outcome for everyone.
Huge difference between several players transfering, a few saying very unpleasent things on the way out, and a few Medical Hardships and an un-enrolled incoming freshman.
I really don't see any reason at all to worry.
Stonum is on the offical roster i.e. he is on the team.
with talbott and pace, not so much with teric, i know he is a good guy but isnt making it to the NFL, but since they are so young if they weren't really injured wouldnt they rather just transfer to a team who wanted to give them a chance? It seems like if hoke medicalled them because he doesnt think they are going to be viable players and wanted to open up scholarships for this year they would just say screw that and transfer out. so if these young players are ok with being medicalled then i believe that they are truly injured
They both have long-standing medical issues. Hoke != Saban.
Wtf? Who said anything about them not actually being injured? This is pure speculation that our coach is turning into Saban, based on absolutely no facts. They're injured.
The Freep doesn't need anyhting more then speculation to run with a story.
Apparently neither does MGoBlog.
Hey, I'm new here and I need some clarification on this... Is this being medicaled the same as what we were ripping on Alabama for doing? Something like the average team does this once every five years but Alabama has done it 12 times. Or is this being medicaled something different? If its the same thing, then we might be doing some shady stuff to get a bigger recruiting class. I don't like that. Will these guys ever have a chance to play for Michigan again?
It's not. Our players are hurt. Saban just sucks their soul out of their body and pulls their scholarship to make room.
Sounds like Pace's injury is a serious enough injury (pretty sure it's a knee thing) where he might not be able to play, but not sure about the others
Talbott is a chronic back issue. He had surgery but those sometimes mean the end of an athletic career.
These fears of hypocrasy have been covered in other threads. I don't think that is the case here, but we do want to be aware of the issues and not turn a blind eye to them.
No, these players are straight up injured, unlike what Saban is / has been doing. There have been rumors flying around for a while about Talbott and Pace not being able to continue their careers because of injury / medical issues.
The Alabama situation was different; they actively oversigned classes and then magically fit under the scholarship limit just in time by suddenly having 5 healthy young men develop chronic headaches or some BS like that. Each student that UM has put onto a medical scholarship has had a prior nasty injury that would be difficult to come back from (Pace, T. Tones), Talbott has beem rumored to have been injury prone from the beginning of his career.
To answer whether or not these guys will ever play again; that is a negative, once you are medicaled you are done with football but you still get the education for free.
EDIT: Guy asks a question, gets 4 responses to it...hot damn we are fast....
Thanks guys, 'preciate it. May they heal well and enjoy successful futures.
Their scholarships aren't needed to make room for anybody. The 2012 class is a year away. There will probably be more normal attrition between now and then. UM will take a hit on depth this year and possibly next at two thin positions. You can believe that the coaches would have preferred to have these players available. Knowing they were not going to be is likely why the coaches have been looking for a class of 26. It's not the other way around.
If I were an injured player and felt that it was going to be hard to get playing time because of my injury, I would gladly accept a medical. College football is not anything like high school which is why some just burn out. Once money exchanges hands it becomes a job and the grind can wear on any kid especially an injured one. As long as it's not forced on a kid, I see it as a positive for both parties involved.
Edit; The money is for a scholarship not kewl tats
possibly only want 1 DT?
Wow! This sucks! Terry Talbott was one of the few recruits from the RR era I was really excited about. Whether due to poor player personnel evaluations (character and otherwise) or just plain bad luck RR's recruiting classes were borderline disastrous and this is why he is out of a job today.
P.S. Talbott's injury is yet another reason why I would take a minimum of two DT's. In fact, I would consider taking 3 of them. We should make room for any 3 of Wormley (DE who will fill out), Pimpkins, O'Brien, Washington (Another DE who could fill out), and Shittu should any of them decide they want to come.
Do these medicals free up space for a bigger recruiting class this year?
IIRC, didn't Kellen Jones have some concussion issues in high school? Is it possible that he did not pass a physcial and because such had a scholarship pulled since the injuries did not pertain to his college career?