Michigan Team thoughts from Outsider Sources

Submitted by umgoblue11 on August 1st, 2019 at 12:54 PM

Figured with the start of August and before camp kicks off I would drop what I've been hearing about Michigan from various outside sources (NFL scouts and player personnel, other college staffers, etc). I'll leave out info from the Michigan side, as at this time of the year it's mostly... "this player looks great, best shape of his life, etc" and not as subjective. Side note, that's why the fans that get pissed about Michigan fluff pieces on players make me LOL... no one is gonna put out a piece on how crappy someone looks or put a player on blast. Every player looks great this time of year. This ain't going to be on every player, just the guys I've heard the most about (I.E. nothing on Sainristl because no one has seen him yet).

Offense:

As I've said in previous posts, Gattis gets a lot of love from outside folks. The dude has coached under some great names, and he'll be the best OC Michigan has had in the past few decades (to be fair that list isn't exactly a who's who). He's an elite recruiter and an unbelievable WR coach, so enjoy him while we have him. With that being said don't freak out if we're not putting up 50 a game in the first month of the season. Part of that is it's going to take a little bit of time for the offense to gel and part of it has to deal with who they are facing the first month of the year. MTSU should be a good warm-up and then you have Army who's going to try and keep the ball outta our hands and limit possessions. So if we only win 28-7 or something where the offense output isn't significant, do not panic. Then you move to Wisconsin who has a very good defense, which will be a good test for the offense.

Last year's offense was pretty solid (25th in S&P) but outside folks said their problem was that they couldn't change speeds on anyone. If they got off to an early lead they were solid, but they had real problems when they went down early (NW, ND, OSU). Couple that with a lack of explosive plays and that's where an offense can bog down. If you can't go fast and aren't super explosive you can get yourself into trouble. I give Harbaugh credit for doing what Saban did-- realizing that you have to adapt your offense or you'll get left behind. I think Michigan changes that in a big way (pace and explosive plays) this year and you're gonna see a more consistent offense because of it. 

QB: Shea is the real deal. Folks never really understood the assumption that he'd go pro after last year because scouts really wanted to see him perform in a pro-style offense. And he did pretty well but needed to sharpen some parts of his game. He's on something like his 4th coordinator in 4 years. He bails out of the pocket too quickly but doesn't have the elite straight-line speed to be able to survive that way. That's why RPO is perfect for him as you get him naturally moving around the pocket and he's elite at handling the ball. Also gone will be that long-developing PA shots down the field. Michigan will take their shots, but it ain't gonna be 7-step PA dropbacks anymore. Shea is a sneaky dark horse Heisman candidate if he stays within the offense because Gattis is going to put up some numbers throwing the ball.

RB: By the time October rolls around, you will see Zach Charbonnet as the lead back if he stays healthy. There are college staffs that had him as the #1 RB on their board and think he has high draft pick in 3 years potential. He reminds me of a David Johnson type back. Shifty and can put his foot in the ground, but nasty enough to run you over. Should be a Frosh AA and serious potential to be an AA and early-round RB if he keeps on his progression track. 

WR: Holy cow this is the area that is going to make Michigan very, very difficult to stop this year. I'd put them right behind Bama and Clemson for best WR corps. DPJ, if healthy, is going to blow up-- NFL guys love him and he has the most potential out of any of our WR's. Needs to be a bit more physical, but think Julio Jones where if he catches the ball downfield in space can take it to the house. Nico has the best hands in college football and is an NFL player right now with his size. Has some Alshon Jeffrey comps. Nothing on Tarik, because no one has really seen anything on him. 

TEs: Nothing really here, but McKeon looks to have turned a corner. He had a tough year last year, and I think he was too much in his own head. Needed to take coaching more serious and I think the proverbial light-bulb went off. 

OL: Flat out there are some dudes on this line. Reminds folks of the old Michigan lines, and quite a few teams are envious of what Warriner's put together. Bredeson-Ruiz-Onwenu is an ELITE grouping on the interior. Ruiz will be the highest picked in the draft-- he's heady and a true center. But Bredeson is right there behind him. He's going to be a long-time vet in the NFL. A few scouts have some serious man-crushes on him-- an elite leader who has really improved his game, if he's consistent in his pass pro could be an AA.

Defense:

General thoughts: Talent-wise this group takes a big step back. Devin Bush is flat-out the best Michigan LB ever and I think he wins NFL Rookie DPOY. What he was able to do sideline-to-sideline is impossible to replace. However, I think as a group this defense will be more consistent in big games. I know fans don't understand this, but when you know you're going to be a high pick in the NFL Draft there is a bit of self-preservation that goes on. Every agent and scout you interact with you is telling you where you stand and it's impossible to block that noise out. It has nothing to do with their love of Michigan or their character, but when you are a little banged up and there's potential for you to lose millions of dollars, the calculus changes. That's why it isn't all always about getting the most 5-star NFL talent onto a team-- when you're Clemson or Alabama and you win all of your games it's easy to keep everyone pulling the same direction. But when you lose the first game of the year, it makes it that much tougher for the coaching staff to keep it all together. And I think that's what happened at the end of the year-- guys lose a little bit of focus with their eyes turned to the next step and things can go south quickly. I really think this group will play within Brown's system.

DL: The DL has some real dogs and adding Danna to that group will really help diversify their looks. People have told me that they noticed Michigan has continued to shift up their looks, especially against spread teams. You're going to see a lot more 3 man fronts and a stand-up guy or two off the edge. Aidan Hutchinson is the breakout here-- I have to be careful how I phrase this, but he's in that Bosa/JJ Watt category from talking to folks. That doesn't mean he's going to have that level of production, but he has elite length, get-off, and pure dog in him. Carlo Kemp is also getting a lot of love and is a guy that isn't getting talked about enough. People love his game and he's a leader up-front. 

LB: Probably the spot that is my biggest area of concern. Mostly due to the fact that it's impossible to replace what Bush did. Ross is a dude and a big-time thumper but he can't run like Bush. Khaleke Hudson is going to essentially try and replace that this year, which is his best fit. Let him run around and make plays. Brown wants LB's that can run--gone are the days of 245+ LBs. This group is filled with a bunch of guys who will have roles: Uche, Gil, McGrone, Glasgow, and Anthony. This is Brown's specialty and I think he's gonna throw a ton of guys out there in specialized roles to mitigate the loss of Bush.

DB: Hill will be an AA this year--his issue was always going to be size. He's not going to be a highly drafted CB because of his size but will be a guy who plays in the NFL for a while due to his instincts and toughness. Reminds me of another Detroit guy, Desmond King in that he's smaller, but just makes plays. Daxton Hill is a dude, but everyone already knows that. Other colleges were enamored with his speed and toughness. Runs like a gazelle and will straight up disrespect you if he's got a shot on you. Give him a little bit of time-- Safety is a very hard position to pick-up quickly and especially in Brown's defense. Not worried about this group as they don't face a legit passing attack until Iowa in October and Zordich/Campanile/Brown are known for their DB acumen.

Later on, in the week, I'll do a post about Michigan's rivals (OSU, ND, MSU, and PSU) to give you an idea of what we're going against. 

Goggles Paisano

August 1st, 2019 at 1:03 PM ^

The DL is obviously the biggest concern and that is often the key ingredient in being a top 4 team.  Gotta keep those boys fresh up front before November rolls around. 

I think write-ups like this for the other big boys we play will be cool.  

 

umgoblue11

August 1st, 2019 at 1:23 PM ^

This is a little spicier of a take I had. Turner and Wilson are still gonna get carries, but from what other folks have told me about ZC he's gonna be a player that Michigan fans love. I don't have any info on practice time split or concrete info he's going to be the starting RB. But I haven't heard a Michigan RB get this much love from those sources in a long, long time. I don't think he's going to a Jonathan Taylor running for 200 yards out the gate RB, but he's going to be a national name later in the year. Consider this me reading the tea leaves a little bit.

Hail-Storm

August 1st, 2019 at 1:54 PM ^

I am really excited about him.  I really liked his highlight tape, with a great mix of inside runs and cuts with jukes, speed, and power with great balance.  Seems to have great instincts to read the holes and attack.  Love to see a freshman year like Hart had.  I think balanced running are similar on a bigger body. 

outsidethebox

August 1st, 2019 at 3:20 PM ^

An excellent OP...and here too. The film on ZC is very impressive-not only what he gains but how he gets there. And, he was an elite LB so he seldom came off the field-this is going to be a vacation for him. I do not recall a back like ZC at Michigan...in general, he is a pretty unique talent. What he offers this offense is an ability to put 11 players out there and have a wide open playbook. And I believe the consternation about the RB room is way overblown. Turner, Wilson and Charbonnet gives Michigan an excellent trio of backs-if you wish to worry after that fine, have at it. 

umgoblue11

August 1st, 2019 at 1:37 PM ^

Outside, outsider. I like to think outside the box.

But seriously, the real insiders are the dudes that are tied-in directly into the program (boosters, guys who are at practice, guys who know coaches or support staffers). Then there's a lot of folks who get it second hand from other folks. I'm not someone who's getting this player was injured all week at practice, hence why I would never describe myself as an "insider."

 

Ezekiels Creatures

August 1st, 2019 at 1:18 PM ^

I'm not as worried about the defense as most. The defense was gutted by the draft in 2017. And they did just fine the following season. Don Brown is brilliant.

I'm pretty sure the O Line is going to help carry the water this year, and not leave it all up to the defense, again. Maybe the O Line will be the most pleasant surprise of all this year. And the inexperienced RBs will need that.

ShadowStorm33

August 1st, 2019 at 3:03 PM ^

My worry is the lack of star power. Yeah, the 2017 defense was gutted by the draft, but a lot of the players coming up were highly touted recruits (Gary, Bush, Hill, Long, Khaleke, Solomon, etc.) and in some cases were even considered athletic upgrades over the guys drafted (e.g. Wormley was a hell of a player, but Gary was an athletic freak who was the consensus #1 recruit in the country).

This year we still have a few of those guys left, but outside of Dax (who's a true FR safety) and a few others it doesn't feel like we have the same level of recruit coming into the lineup. Part of it might just be information imbalance; it's easier to fill in the blanks in your mind (and subsequently take comfort) when the guys coming up were 4 and 5 stars. Take CB this year for example. After Hill and Ambry, I have no idea who will be playing CB, not because we don't have players, but because we've heard seemingly nothing about the young guys.

So hopefully Brown and his staff will develop some guys into dudes, and my worry is overblown. But unlike years past I don't necessarily know who will be filling in the holes like I have in years past, and it's the uncertainty that worries me the most.

 

Bluedream

August 2nd, 2019 at 1:42 AM ^

RPOs are tough assignments for OL. It’s not run blocking and it’s not pass pro. A lineman has to sense the run and fire out to the LBs because he can’t risk getting upfield too soon and picking up an ineligible receiver flag. 

Our OL was much improved last year but still struggled to run block against tough DLs. Now Gattis will be asking them to diagnose and react. No guarantees it’ll be easy running in this system, at least right away  

It cant get worse than the past couple years but it’s not going to be instantly great either. 

Perkis-Size Me

August 2nd, 2019 at 12:41 PM ^

Yeah but the problem with that logic is that the 2017 defense ended up being anchored by two first round draft picks (Bush and Gary) and two third round draft picks (Winovich and Long). So that's easy to say in hindsight. Do we have that same amount of talent on this year's defense? I don't know.

I think the defense will still be good, and there is talent there to be certain, but it will be noticeably less dominant than it was last year. You're going to be relying on a lot of guys who are role players (especially in the LB group) or younger guys who have plenty of potential but not much experience (Hutchinson), or any experience at all (Hill, Hinton).

That's where you just have to hope that the gains the offense makes are bigger than the losses the defense takes. 

Don

August 1st, 2019 at 1:22 PM ^

It's amazing that everybody here seems to unquestioningly buy the notion that all of this is authentic "insider" stuff from real NFL scouts and college staffers, with zero attribution. There's nothing here that couldn't be cobbled together from MGoBlog and other sites and message boards.

"Nico has the best hands in college football"

Based on what? Says who? He had all of 38 catches for 632 yards last year, which doesn't even show up among the conference leaders in any category.

umgoblue11

August 1st, 2019 at 1:28 PM ^

I mean you can choose to believe what you want. I'm just bringing you what I hear. Not touting myself as an "insider" and certainly don't care if Don, the message board poster cares if I don't attribute what I post from people I chat with. You want me to send you a list of names? This is for the folks who just want general content from someone who is passing along what has been heard. 

I don't always agree with PFF's metrics, but here's a stat to help back-up that claim. "Nico Collins had an absurd 81.3 percent contested catch rate last season, easily leading returning B1G wide receivers."

https://twitter.com/pff_college/status/1127245233496973312

 

Don

August 1st, 2019 at 1:35 PM ^

"You want me to send you a list of names?"

If you have them, why wouldn't you post them? If you're not an insider yourself, why would NFL scouts and college assistants be sharing these insights with you? Are you a former Michigan player or coach?

evenyoubrutus

August 1st, 2019 at 2:53 PM ^

Thank you for saying this because I honestly gave up reading about halfway through when I realized that it sounded like a bunch of generic fanboy hype without a lot of real substance. None of it sounds like something an actual scout or expert would say, but it does sound eerily similar to stuff I've been reading all offseason posted by overly optimistic fans who read a lot of blogs.

jsquigg

August 1st, 2019 at 6:32 PM ^

I see all the upvotes and feel like I'm going crazy myself since this is the fluffiest of fluff.  There are users on this here site that claim to have knowledge and connections, are consistently wrong or inconsistent with the info they distribute, and many here forgive them every time based on only the reputation they've anointed themselves with.  This goes for all the um 11s out there.

JeepinBen

August 1st, 2019 at 1:35 PM ^

Hear from... whom exactly? As Don, who has been here a decade and is a halcyon OG if I recall correctly, mentioned - you claim to have sources, but are quoting PFF? You've had your account a month, has anyone else verified that you have insider info? Due at least made his identity public to start sharing info. Sorry for a bit of cynicism on the internet.

umgoblue11

August 1st, 2019 at 1:42 PM ^

Again I'm not claiming to be an insider, not sure why you are stuck on that point. I told you who my sources were in the beginning of the post. Do you want me to say I heard from XYZ, a regional scout from the Detroit Lions?

This is a message board, and people need to obfuscate their identity for obvious reasons. Believe what you want to believe, but I'm not asking to be view as anything other than a guy who is sharing info. If any mod wants to contact me, I am happy to share my background. But for a random message board poster, I am sorry, be cynical.

Reggie Dunlop

August 1st, 2019 at 2:08 PM ^

"By the time October rolls around, you will see Zach Charbonnet as the lead back if he stays healthy."

Nobody on the planet knows if that's true. The only people who could pretend to know that are the people on Michigan's staff (who have never even seen him practice in a Michigan uniform) and you clearly said this has no sources from inside the program anyway. This is the type of crap that gives away that you're supplementing this post with conjecture. It doesn't matter how good a non-Michigan college staffer thinks Charbonnet is or can be. If he's that good, why isn't he the starter against MTSU? Because he's not good enough to beat out Turner/Wilson? Then how would anybody on earth know that he'll ascend to that point after 4 games?

There are a dozen comments like that throughout your post that show your ass. Credit for taking the time and effort, though. I read it and that's all I'm here to do.