Michigan has only one commitment from Ohio
Here is a reason (one among many) that we are struggling.
The Free Press reports that Michigan has only 1 commitment from the state of Ohio in the 2020 class. In 2019, there were none.
Historically, Ohio was the state that provided the MOST recruits. I grew up watching Bo's teams that were just loaded with players from Ohio.
We have apparently traded New England for Ohio. An absolutely terrible trade. Other than a few good individual programs, New England high school football is weak to pathetic.
I am guessing that it is very uncomfortable for coaches to visit Ohio high schools. I am sure that they take crap from everyone.
But that is why they are paid millions of dollars.
Just another Harbaugh decision that makes zero sense.
Now let's go recruit some fullbacks and tight ends from Rhode Island!
December 16th, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^
They cannot absorb all of them, believe it or not.
Again, very odd how Ohio supplied good players for both Bo and Woody.
December 16th, 2020 at 1:21 PM ^
If it were up to me your account would be nuked for posting that Rainer Sabin bullshit.
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To your immediate question, Michigan was closer to OSU's level in the old days and could make successful pitches to Ohio HS players. For myriad reasons the programs are far apart now. Michigan is going to get only run-off for the near future. You should understand this.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:02 PM ^
You really have no idea what you are talking about. About anything.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:19 AM ^
So most recruits this year (and, apparently, in 2019) are from New England?
This is a whiny bitch OP...
December 16th, 2020 at 11:23 AM ^
Whiny bitch should be the new name of this board
December 16th, 2020 at 11:19 AM ^
We're dominating Connecticut though.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:20 AM ^
Who gives a shit where we get these kids from? All I care about is competent coaching and development, kids can come from anywhere.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:20 AM ^
Don't care where they are from, just bring in some DB's and DT's please.
Hit the portal hard asap and bring in 3rd and 4th year players and Grad students that have the weight and experience to play in the B1G right away.
If Northwestern can put together a defense that doesn't get nuked by B1G opponents (outside of OSU) using upperclassmen and disciplined schemes, so can we.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:20 AM ^
Recruiting grounds often reflect our coaches backgrounds and where they were located. We need to get coaches with Ohio ties.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:24 AM ^
Even if you get a coach with Ohio ties, you're going to have to target players that might not start at OSU and develop them to beat OSU. If Michigan cannot beat OSU, those Ohio ties will be useless.
Don't forget Hoke was from Ohio and Harbaugh from Toledo.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:58 AM ^
The one value to recruiting guys OSU doesn't want in Ohio is that it can build trust and relationships with programs and communities that can be cultivated later if and when Michigan has a shot at higher-level guys either because we're better or OSU is less attractive to that particular player. But that's a long-term investment that won't win games for the current coaching administration.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:20 AM ^
OSU has been dominating Michigan since Tressel, so until we find our Tressel, I don't see that trend changing anytime soon.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:21 AM ^
Growing up watching Bo's teams recruit from Ohio doesn't really matter anymore.
Almost all of Ohio states best players aren't from Ohio any longer
December 16th, 2020 at 11:21 AM ^
In the last two recruiting cycles (2020 and 2021) this is how the states of Michigan and Ohio have broken down:
MI 2020: 6 players in the composite Top 300.
OH 2020: 5 players in the composite Top 300.
MI 2021: 9 players in the composite Top 300.
OH 2021: 7 players in the composite Top 300.
Can we stop pretending that Ohio is some Fertile Crescent that holds all the talent UM needs to succeed. To compete with the world beaters of Alabama, Clemson, and OSU, we need NATIONAL recruiting. Recruit the best, most talented, most hard working players from whatever state they happen to be from.
Are there players in Ohio that we should try to get? Yes. Should we abandon recruiting in other regions to maybe get an extra guy or two in Ohio? Probably not.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:31 AM ^
OSU only has 6 commits from Ohio. The talent in the state isn't quite as good as it was in the 80's and 90's.
December 16th, 2020 at 1:46 PM ^
The catch is OSU cleans up the highly ranked players in OH. Michigan has problems getting the top players in Michigan to go to Ann Arbor.
2020 Top 300 Michigan players by 247 rank: 52, 123 UM commit, 135, 161 UM commit, 175, 245 UM commit
2020 Top 300 Ohio players: 9 OSU commit, 154 OSU commit, 174, 248, 285
2021 Top 300 Michigan players: 19, 44 UM commit, 60, 85 UM commit, 90, 194, 210 UM commit, 233, 271
2021 Top 300 Ohio players: 4 OSU commit, 49 OSU commit, 66 OSU commit, 84 OSU commit, 115, 124 OSU commit, 163.
Out of these 2 years there were 6 Top 100 players in Michigan and UM signed 2. In Ohio there were 5 Top 100 players and OSU signed all 5.
December 16th, 2020 at 2:54 PM ^
Out of the 55 Ohio players at OSU, only 27 are on scholarship
J Cooper, D McCall, Z Harrison, T Smith, G Hoak, J Harris, C Stover, D. Grant, M Williamson, M. Williams, T. Eichenberg, J Hilliard, J. Cage, T Hamilton, G. Cupp, D. Young, J. James, R Jacoby, T Leroux, J Myers, T Munford, P Johnson, J Hausman, J Royer, L. Farrell, N Potter and J. Seibert
In today's class of 21, only 6 are from OHIO. If they get JT Tuimoloau out of Washington in February, they break Urban's 2017 247 Composite all-time record average of 94.59 with and average of 94.80 which is just mind-boggling.
They get the very top 5 to 7 kids in Ohio they want and then cherry pick all over the country, picking off many top recruits in other states. The only major Ohio recruit they wanted in the last 5 or 6 years that went elsewhere is Jackson Carman - Clemson.
December 16th, 2020 at 2:45 PM ^
The last decade +1(for the heck of it) has shown to absolutely recruit Ohio hard. The last couple years could be outliers. Seeing these numbers, I still recruit Ohio.
247 Top 300
M: 9 O: 7 2021
M: 6 O: 5
M: 8 O: 7
M: 4 O: 9
M: 7 O: 16
M: 9 O: 11
M: 4 O: 13
M: 4 O: 13
M: 5 O: 18
M: 8 O: 18
M: 6 O: 17
M: 7 O: 15 2010
December 16th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
Thank you for putting numbers to what I am talking about, MgoWood.
Of course, the geniuses on this board are not easily swayed by facts or data.
We did land the 1st and 2nd best players in CT this year, so there is that.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:21 AM ^
Yes, but if you go back one more year we had 6 from Ohio. 2018 was 0. 2017 was 3. 2016 was 0 again.
I don't disagree that we should take some of the under the radar recruits from Ohio more than we currently do (especially when the alternative is taking none or a similar under the radar recruit from New England), but I think its important to report all the facts.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:21 AM ^
Part of the problem has to be how completely OSU owns us. I just can't see a kid from Ohio picking us over OSU if they have an offer from both. Even for the second tier kids that don't have an OSU offer, do you really want to tell your friends and family that you are going to Michigan aka the school that gets embarrassed every year?
December 16th, 2020 at 11:21 AM ^
While the report is accurate, I would stop reading that rainer Sabin stuff. He literally hasn’t said a positive thing about M in a single article since he joined the Freep.
granted there hasn’t been Great news, he’s still only a negative soundbite.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:23 AM ^
Only good players come from Ohio.
That's good to know.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^
Probably why Ohio State is so good and Texas is so bad. Ohio has better prospects than Texas!
December 16th, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^
Well, another factor is that OSU has been getting some of the very best recruits from Texas the last 4 or 5 years.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^
Yes, that is what I said.
Learn to read, perhaps?
December 16th, 2020 at 11:26 AM ^
I'll say this - right now we aren't getting the top guys in Ohio to come here instead of Ohio State. It just ain't happening without some better results on the field. However, I'd much rather take some developmental guys from Ohio than developmental guys from the Northeast.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
Now they are going to Cinci... first Dantonio got the plan B guys, and now its Fickell.... this is where the program is failing, big-time.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:51 AM ^
Dantonio made a living on OSUs scraps and now this is what Fickell is doing.
Recruiting Ohio can fill the roster with potential upside but we would still be playing with OSU scraps and impacting MSU, Cincinnati, and Kentucky more than OSU.
Should we spend more time there? Not at sacrificing high end players nationally.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:32 AM ^
You are right, results on the field have a huge impact.
But the Freepress article has coaches saying that Michigan ain't even trying.
December 16th, 2020 at 4:01 PM ^
You can argue the numbers and the writing bias of Sabin all you want, but when an opening paragraph to a recruiting story is Ted Ginn Sr. revealing that JH has never been to Glenville HS, doesn't that override everything else? Not once, in 6 years (per Ginn). Sure there are tons of high schools for a HC to visit, but you'd think Glenville, with all its NFL alumni would be on the list. What if JH never bothered to show up to IMG, he'd be crucified. In recruiting there have to be priorities and you're not going to win them all. But, you've got to start with the low-hanging fruit. Per the article, most of NE Ohio has just been ignored. It's either a lack of effort or misplaced priorities.
December 16th, 2020 at 5:12 PM ^
Thank you, Harlans. You get it. Glenville is a short drive away and he ignores it? Wow.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^
Another buckeye apologist.
Laughable.
Get the best, nastiest, angry dudes we can from anywhere in the world.
Where you are from - only matters if you're angry about it.
oh wait, maybe ohio really does suck....
Go Blue.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:28 AM ^
Rainer, is that you!?
December 16th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
This site has become almost unbearably negative.
Used to think this was a fun blog full of smart and clever posters - but so damn tired of the constant bitchers and whiners...
December 16th, 2020 at 11:33 AM ^
Ironic that your response is to bitch and whine.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^
LOL! Touche'...
December 16th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
Rumler and Carpenter.. now Carpenter bolts... and notice that Cinci is gonna land the top DT on our 2022 board another Ohio guy in Shepard.
This seems to be the second time now that the west coast coach gets negatively recruited effectively and doesn't pan out here... first it was Drevno, who was getting beat here, and now Nua.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:31 AM ^
We went after Donovan Edwards over Corey Kiner. We went for Xavier Worthy and Andrel Anthony over Markus Allen. The top 4 guys we never had a chance with, as they've been OSU commits forever. What would you change?
December 16th, 2020 at 11:31 AM ^
I've never stepped foot in OH, maybe I am missing out on something
December 16th, 2020 at 11:34 AM ^
User name fits...
December 16th, 2020 at 12:14 PM ^
Just imagine Santa Barbara, but completely different
December 16th, 2020 at 11:31 AM ^
Pretty tired of this narrative tbh. It matters not where the players come from, it matters that they have talent and desire.
It's completely irrelevant that Lloyd and Bo had success recruiting Ohio. It isn't the 70s, 80s or 90s any more. Michigan isn't going to be successful by just going back to whatever Bo did. The game has evolved. To compete with the Ohio States and Alabamas you need speed. You need athletic freaks. You need potential NFL guys. Those kids are not especially concentrated in Ohio.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:36 AM ^
Moore, Joel Honigford, Erick All, Brad Robbins, Gabe Newburg, and Joey Velazquez are the only scholarship guys from Ohio expected to be on the roster next year, if Rumler follows Carpenter out.
Shibley's from Ohio; he might earn a scholarship.
Last time they had so few Ohio guys was 1943-'45, when their roster was limited to 35 players and made up of wartime transfers and local kids who were too young to be drafted.
The last time we had six or fewer Ohio guys on a non-wartime roster was 1936.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:48 AM ^
Alright, I'll say it. Ooof.
December 16th, 2020 at 12:21 PM ^
Did I miss rumors regarding Rumler?
December 16th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^
What’s your point?
Just about all of Ohio State’s best players don’t come from Ohio anymore. They haven’t since Tressel was there. The Bosa brothers, Chase Young, Justin Fields, Barrett, Haskins, Elliott, Michael Thomas. NONE of those guys are from Ohio. They’re coming from Florida, Texas, Georgia, California, and the other recruiting hotbeds in this country. Yes, OSU of course still recruits Ohio, they’ll gobble up the top players there, but it’s hardly their most vital talent pipeline anymore.
if Harbaugh could recruit the states that I mentioned above to the level he’s expected to, he wouldn’t need a single player from Ohio. The idea that Michigan needs to recruit Ohio to be successful is a load of garbage. They certainly could recruit there and find success. But they don’t have to.
Find the best players that you can, regardless of where they come from. If they come from Turkmenistan, then go to Turkmenistan and get them here.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:50 AM ^
Dude, have you even been to Turkmenistan?
Their pad level sucks.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^
This is the kind of groundbreaking analysis that keeps me coming back to this board. Things have barely changed across the country since Bo coached M. Still only 8 teams on national television each week.
December 16th, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^
Someone - Seth? - did a diary some years back on where Michigan historically recruited from
would be interesting to dig up, since it’s based on more than just 1, 2 years of data