Michigan Fooball. Unfinished Business: Iowa and Ohio St.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:13 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 3:15 PM ^
Um....isn't there a game with Iowa this Saturday first to take care of? You know that team we havent beaten since 2006?
Not saying I dont agree with your feelings on the Buckeyes but first things first.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:20 PM ^
We're fans, there's really no danger to looking past an opponent. It's not like we have to spend this week preparing for Iowa. I think we're allowed to think a couple weeks ahead.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:56 PM ^
Politiely disagree. When fans "look ahead" in their postings they are giving the collective finger to Karma which is never good. Karma will not be mocked or looked past (see post made last Saturday "congradulating" PSU on their probable win over Nebraska when they went up two scores) and when provoked Karma is a more than formable advisary.
Iowa first...OSU second. And for the record it's not like we've owned the Hawkeyes lately as we've lost three in a row and 5 of our last 8.
Edit: See? The OP realized the error of his ways and fixed the post up real nice. Now i have zero issue with it as he put events in proper order. Horse then cart not cart then horse.
November 12th, 2012 at 4:26 PM ^
Politely disagree?! Do you know where you are? The internet! You know who else "politely" disagreed? The Nazis.
But seriously, I get that the Hawkeyes have gotten the better of Michigan lately, and I absolutely agree that the team needs to focus on this week's opponent. I even get (and agree) that part of the fun of being a fan is taking part in the ritual of the game even if we aren't actually a part of it. But given that we aren't actually a part of it, it seems really silly to criticize another fan for being excited about the game that takes place next week rather than being sufficiently concerned about the game this week. It really ultimately doesn't matter if he's thinking about OSU rather than Iowa, because it has no bearing on the team's preparation for Iowa.
Basically, we aren't the farmers here, so we're not the ones handling the cart or the horse. We're the guys sitting on the fence, chewing on our piece of straw watching the other guys make the horse/cart arrangements (and being highly critical of said horse/cart arrangements, probably, because it is the internet after all).
November 12th, 2012 at 9:05 PM ^
Iowa has to answer for Santino.
November 13th, 2012 at 11:25 AM ^
Barzini is dead. So is Phillip Tattaglia. Moe Greene. Stracci. Cuneo. Today I settled all family business so don't tell me that you're innocent. Admit what you did.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:15 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 3:18 PM ^
Enter key
November 12th, 2012 at 3:18 PM ^
we were beat in Columbus, technically
November 12th, 2012 at 3:23 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 4:02 PM ^
Serious question: Are you drunk?
November 12th, 2012 at 4:05 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 3:19 PM ^
Drew Henson put on a show that day. One of the best performances by a U-M QB I've ever seen. It's still bittersweet to think about him and what could have been if he'd stuck around.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:29 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 4:02 PM ^
Henson was a great QB, and Navarre was not-quite-ready for primetime in 2001, but having recently gone through every loss that season, I think the upside of Henson in '01 isn't quite as high as we think.
It is true that all three of Michigan's regular season losses could easily have been wins, even with Navarre at the helm. Obviously, Michigan would actually have won one of them in a 60 minute game (thanks Spartan Bob!). The Washington game, the most forgotten Michigan loss of all time, turned on a three-play sequence where Michigan was controlling the game until a blocked field goal returned for a TD and a deflected interception-TD (the pass was either a CA or MA, but the bounce was freakish; not really Navarre's fault). Michigan played its worst football in a long time against OSU that year, but still had a chance to win.
So it's quite possible that Henson could have put Michigan over the top in all three losses--but the late Carr era track record always includes at least one head-scratching loss, and it's not unreasonable to think that with a massively under-talented offense around him and a leaky defense, Henson would have had at least one loss.
Then things really get ugly, because Henson would not have saved Michigan against a loaded Tennessee team in the Citrus Bowl. Nor would a hypothetical 1-loss or 0-loss Michigan team have done well against an all-time Miami club in the Rose Bowl. And B1G champ Illinois was sacrificed to an emerging LSU team that Michigan would have fared poorly against, too.
Best case? A great regular season and an ugly bowl loss.
I was sad that Henson left, early, but in fairness he would merely have been a high point of an otherwise weak Michigan team in 2001.
November 12th, 2012 at 5:27 PM ^
With Henson around, I doubt we'd have ever played Tennessee. We'd have probably won at least one more conference game to go to a BCS bowl. Remember, we went 6-2 that year and finished second to an Illinois team (7-1) that we beat head-to-head.
But the most significant thing about Henson coming back is that I'm sure we'd have beaten Ohio. A win there and Tressel doesn't get off on the right foot with his fanbase, and maybe history turns out differently for both him and Carr.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:22 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 3:22 PM ^
We have a game against Iowa this week. Next week is hate week.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:23 PM ^
Ugh, what a bummer. Here's hoping that Denard, "Tree, et al. can BEAT OHIO in a couple of weeks. Lets reset some of these streaks.
Also, obligatory negging for use of "UNACCEPTABLE," even if it was meant in jest.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:42 PM ^
also the reason for my neg
November 12th, 2012 at 3:25 PM ^
Save this in the file and post it next week.
I want to focus on beating the crap out of Iowa, especially after how last year's game ended.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:34 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 3:36 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 3:39 PM ^
ahahaha I remember that game. drew henson ran a touchdown in at the end to rub it in on a naked bootleg. The Michigan players walked off the field miming the act of putting rings on their fingers, as a huge fuck you to the buckeye fans. it kicked ass.
also, OP, please make use of these things called paragraphs and formatting.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:54 PM ^
I wouldn't say we were rubbing it in. If we'd kicked a FG, it would have been 34-26 and OSU could have still tied the game. Henson's bootleg TD clinched the game.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:45 PM ^
bless you wolverinehistorian
November 12th, 2012 at 3:45 PM ^
the winning TD was right in front of us, though run to the opposite side of the field.
Great day
November 12th, 2012 at 4:03 PM ^
You weren't far from me, although probably a bit closer.
November 12th, 2012 at 3:51 PM ^
The CB matchups could be a key factor in The Game just like it was last year. Miller throws a fair share of 10 yard wide armpunts to open receivers, but he still put a couple on the mark to effect last time. Receivers continue to beat our corners deep play after play so unless they play more zone with Safety help over the top we could be in for another shootout.
November 12th, 2012 at 4:02 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 4:36 PM ^
10 BCS spots available:
Locks: 2 SEC teams, K-State, ND, Oregon, Big 10 Champ, and Big East Champ
The log jam of SEC teams almost assures that a @#13-15 team makes a BCS game.
For a 9-3 UM team to sneak into a BCS game, we need to:
Root for the conference title-game Favorites: FSU to win the ACC, Oregon to win the Pac-10 (Both of these teams are probably locks for a BCS bowl even if they get a loss from here on out... so, if they lose the title game then some other team will make the Orange / Rose Bowl and they will take an at-large).
Root against OU, Texas, Stanford, Oregon State, UCLA, Clemson . With a late-season third loss by all of these teams, maybe UM could sneak that last at-large with the 4 game winning streak versus their recent loss. With no other 2-loss team to take, the BCS would go with making money and fans travelling... so "best" 3-loss team that can pack the stands gets the nod.
Wild card: Kent and La Tech as a 1-loss top-12 team. I don't think either of these teams will be top 12, but, if a 3-loss log jam ensues one of these teams could climb enough to take the final at-large.
Wild Card 2: If Wisconsin beats a Nebraska, would a 10-3 Nebraska team that lost the BIG Champ game get turned down for a 9-3 UM team? (See Sparty and the 2011 Sugar Bowl for possible insight)
November 12th, 2012 at 7:07 PM ^
BCS Standings | ||
RK | TEAMs (BcsRank) Record | |
1 | Kansas State (1) 10-0 | |
2 | Oregon (2) 10-0 | |
3 | Notre Dame (3) 10-0 | |
4 | Alabama (4) 9-1 | |
5 | Nebraska (14) 8-2 | |
6 | Louisville (19) 9-1 | |
7 | UGA(5)9-1 Fla(6)9-1 LSU(7)8-2 UTAM(8)8-2 SCar(9)8-2 | |
8 | Florida State (10) 9-1 | |
9 | Clemson (11) 9-1 | |
10 | Okla(12)7-2 Texas(15)8-2 | |
11 | Stanf(13)8-2 OrSt(16)7-2 UCLA(17)8-2 USC(18)7-3 | |
12 | La Tech (20) 9-1 | |
13 | Michigan (21) 7-3 | |
14 | Rutgers (22) 8-1 | |
15 | Texas Tech (23) 7-3 | |
16 | Okla St (24)6-3 | |
17 | Washington (25)6-4 |
So we need to move up three effective spots to get into the last BCS bowl position (10). I think it's fairly likely that Lousiana Tech and the four PAC-10 teams all lose and fall below us, placing us in the #11 spot. I think our best bet is for both Texas and Okla to fall below us (Texas plays KSU & Okla @WVU, vs OklaSt, & @TCU). Alternatively, we need Clemson to fall below us, and they do face S.Car, but with only 1 loss I doubt they fall below us, unless they also lose this week to Jekyl & Hyde NCSt. (Why are all the agricultural schools plagued by schizophrenia?)
November 12th, 2012 at 4:05 PM ^
I used some birthday money to buy a couple of tickets off ebay for the 2000 game the night before it happened. Called my friend who was in college in Steubenville. We met in Columbus that morning, parked, and made it in just before kickoff. We were at the top of the upper deck at the apex of the horseshoe, behind the flagpole.
There were a bunch of students for whom OSU football was an excuse to be drunk. It was, shall we say, a hostile location.
And it was marvelous. One of the great sports moments of my life. And the stories last forever.
November 12th, 2012 at 4:10 PM ^
Yes, living in the belly of the beast has made me hate osu more than I could have imagined before arriving here. I would love to see Denard go out with a win against the buckeyes.
Also, is there any interest in those members of the board who will be in Columbus next Saturday to meet up, whether at a tailgate or some other locale? Would be neat to meet others in person, but maybe too much of a mission to coordinate.
November 12th, 2012 at 4:38 PM ^
Some possible interest here. I'd really rather not want to share the space with a horde of Bucknut trogoldytes though and it'll be hard to find such a pest-free venue on the 24th..
November 12th, 2012 at 4:55 PM ^
As far as I'm concerned, we beat Iowa last year.
November 12th, 2012 at 5:25 PM ^
We lost by eight and were largely outplayed throughout the game. No shame in accepting it, but denying it is ridiculous.
November 12th, 2012 at 5:32 PM ^
wanted to respond to your posting because, we're like.. cousins or brothers or something.
November 12th, 2012 at 5:43 PM ^
I'm thinking we are more of twins serarated at birth. I got the buck teeth and you got the red hair.
November 12th, 2012 at 6:05 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 8:38 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 5:49 PM ^
Yup, I'm denying it.
Iowa's win is tainted. Any time an obvious bad call keeps a team from an opportunity to win, I'll deny it. Tell a Packers fan to get over the loss to Seattle. Tell a PSU fan to get over the loss to Nebraska. it's 2012. We have cameras and instant replay. Calls like that just shouldn't happen. Wasn't even close.
November 12th, 2012 at 8:40 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 8:43 PM ^
November 12th, 2012 at 10:53 PM ^
Seems like Ohio is taking a page from Sparty and going with a new jersey with a chrome helmet ...
http://boards.sportslogos.net/topic/85276-college-football-2012-season/page__st__7560
Lets all hope it plays out like the Sparty game did
November 12th, 2012 at 10:53 PM ^
Wooo double post!
November 12th, 2012 at 10:56 PM ^
I have relatives in Iowa (I don't even know why) and they have been insufferable the last three years. That having been said, The game is the most important of every year. IF I had to choose, I would choose a win over Ohio before any other team in any year.
November 13th, 2012 at 11:31 AM ^
Thanks for that stream of consciousness recap of our recent performance against Iowa and Ohio and....huh?