Michigan-Belleville problems cost us 5 star Damon Payne
According to Sam on the Inside Michigan Recruiting podcast latest episode, the tension between the coaches from Michigan and Belleville “for sure” has had a negative effect on Damon Payne’s recruitment and is why he is leaving MI to play college football.
Payne is a 5 star #1 DT nationally, #1 player in MI. Consensus seems to be that he’s heading down South but OSU is listed as warm on his 247 profile.
We can't afford Payne.
I never got this take. M could afford Rashan Gary; I don't know why people think we can't afford top prospects. (Unless you have inside information, etc)
Please expand on your insider information regarding the FACTS surrounding Rashan Gary. I'm intrigued by your matter-of-fact post.
I don't have any inside information. It just boggles belief to suggest that a #1 CFB recruit, who was actively pursued by programs like USC, Clemson, Alabama, etc, didn't get paid.
That's what I figured.
Same logic tells us Cam Newton didn't get paid, so obviously he didn't.
Just out of morbid curiosity, do you think M doesn't pay anyone?
Massive eye roll there. No one has any facts about any payments to any recruits and people mention it in every thread where Michigan doesn't get a recruit and then they get 20 upvotes for being so brave and saying other teams pay recruits.
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Just low!
I hope we paid him! He worked hard for us and was, at the very least, very solid. He for sure earned it.
You could say Gary was solid at the least, but you could also fairly say he was solid at best!
Payne is no better than Rashan was, so...(shruggy guy emoji)
He was all Big-10 twice! Like, sure, he could've popped more -- I don't think anyone disputes that -- but he was really good at M.
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Because our boosters arent as insanely football obsessed as those in the south. Rashan got extra benefits to come here. He didn't get as many benefits as he would have had he went to Clemson. There have been plenty of rumblings that Payne is looking for the highest bidder out of the SEC.
That makes sense, thanks.
I feel like this tension is overblown. If we were winning like OSU then there would be zero qualms between the coaches. Just look how OSU won over Wilcher and Cass Tech a few years ago.
Michigan's losses are muted and their wins magnified because Michigan wins the small games and loses the big ones more often than not.
He was talking about recruiting not games.
Have any of the Belleville kids done anything in college?
It wasn't known as being a football hotbed until a few years ago.
When did OSU have to win over Wilcher? Wilcher has never to my knowledge been known to steer kids away from any program, and when OSU got Mike Weber, he had told the Michigan coaches he was coming to Ann Arbor.
I feel like this tension is overblown.
Yes!
Winning would cure a lot of these ills.
...and these same types of threads keep coming from the thinnest-skinned participant and one of the biggest social media gossips on MGoBlog.
WD takes more shit on this blog (most of it from you these days) than anyone and I really don't see him bitch back at people.
WD takes more shit on this blog
All well earned. If you want to approach me about a discussion of his behavior you have a blind eye too, I'm happy to engage. Otherwise, troll on pal, I could give two shits about your accusations.
most of it from you these days
That's revisionist bullshit on your part. WD spite in these parts is not orchestrated by me. I don't even make fun of his apartment or girlfriend like others have lately.
I really don't see him bitch back at people
You're delusional. LOL! Be a WD fanboy... I don't care. Don't act or assume like I live to give WD shit either. Actually, I wish he'd just go away because he's an embarrassment those of us who have put in the work and made sacrifices to get a degree.
Contrary to your worldview, WD's behavior here is atrocious. But he gets a free pass from lemmings like you because of softball and gymnastics posts I suppose. Otherwise, what you're selling stinks and wouldn't hold any independent test of scrutiny.
Haha, I found the arrogant asshole.
Hmmm... how does that make me arrogant.
Maybe I don't read deep enough in this things, but I've never noticed anything atrocious from WD. Would you mind providing an example (with link if possible)?
Serious question. What is preventing you from doing your own research if you acknowledge "Maybe I don't read deep enough"?
Here's a recent snip.
For the record, TIMMMAAY didn't say a word to WD. WD just jumped in on a comment that had nothing to do with him and decided to attack someone's character.
But it's not the first time. During another diagreement, WD went after TIMMMAAY's kids (I don't even know if TIMMMAAY has any -- he doesn't put his whole life on display for the world like WD does).
Still awaiting a cogent discussion on the topic. Please let me know when you're ready to engage.
Cube is right, not right leaning we know, but correct. Winning against OSU would cure some of the issues as far as attracting more Belleville kids and more kids in general.
We did just pull Seldon so it’s doable but it’s a frustrating hurdle to have. It’s pretty clear however we need to pull high end kids from all over the country.
I think Michigan could afford Payne, but they choose not to afford him.
This is a valid question. Are the "issues" with Belleville because their coaches want to get greased? Hard to imagine there being personality issues with a major in-state school that is interested in giving scholarships to your players.
I mean no offense, but if you were the #1 DT recruit, what sells you on going to Michigan?
This team needs to start winning big games and making a name for itself again.
This is a horribly biased take for some unknown reason.
There are lots of good reasons for an elite DT to go to Michigan. Your comment is too silly for me to even go into them.
oh do tell please enlighten us Oh swami of football knowledge...I agree with his sentiment...top tier player, my coach isn't really supporting the program, so that's an easy lean...Michigan is not getting 'better' from a sense of national contention. Look at it however you choose, we are successful vs beatable teams, we have not shown prominence on the biggest stage, vs OSU, Alabama, etc...we haven't won a conference championship in a decade...high school kids do the craziest things sometimes, and a path to success, path to the NFL is where most kids are now. Michigan isn't the best path in the eyes of those outside Ann Arbor
M pulled two elite DT's (Smith/Hinton) last year.
So I guess playing time at a top educational institution in a great college town that has a national following and fills the largest football stadium in the country every Saturday while recruiting at a top ten rate with enough talent to compete with anyone and putting top ten numbers of players into the NFL yearly with an experienced coaching staff and has the best fucking fight song and helmets ever would be one reason.
Enough talent to compete with anyone? I'll give that to you..You are right. Its a leadership and or coaching issue cause we sure as shit ain't winning games vs. Top 10's with all of this talent that should be able to compete with anyone.
People don't care like they used to where a person got their degree. Not that it matters but OSU caught up with Michigan in academic prestige years ago. The news just never reached the Ann Arbor faithful. Ann Arbor is not a great college town IMO. I get a parking ticket almost every time I go over there. Ok, that might be partially my fault. Not to mention it smells like weed everywhere. The Big House I agree is an attraction. I can't speak to the uniforms or helmets because I am biased. I grew up hating them so it is hard to be objective. The mascot is admittedly cool though. I disagree that the coaching staff is an attraction. Outside of Ann Arbor, Harbaugh is viewed by most as kind of a weirdo, not a football genius. Michigan football, put simply is good not great. If you are a great prospect, why not go to a great school?
You certainly have a jaded view of academic prestige. OSU is certainly a good academic school, although others try to put it down on this board, but in NO WAY has it caught up with UM.
Detroit-Buckeye is a horse chestnut paired with a hell-hole.
Too long and two 5*s two classes ago goes together, somehow.
ANYBODY who watched the draft saw that Michigan is probably one of the best paths to the NFL.
The Glasgows and Danna getting drafted at all is far more impressive to me than Chase Young and Okudah (who were 5-stars out of high school) getting drafted where they did.
Imagine listening to your high school coach over someone who has the alert ears of NFL GMs.
I love sarcasm.
- Seems fair to assume that my HS coach has my interests at heart, unlike a college coach who wants me to play for him no matter what.
- He's also looking at Bama and OSU, who surely have the ears of GMs. (Herm at ASU probably does, too!)
HS coach has his own interests at heart. You think it hurts him in any way if his players go to Michigan. It's not much different than College coaches and the NFL. These guys do what's best for themselves and their program, even if it means allowing their own grudges and cynicism play into it. It's fame...I don't live in Michigan and don't know who the coach is, but he's being talked about now...outside the area, he's got coaches from all over calling him, and he's building up his contact list. If all of his top kids go to Michigan, then the big schools outside of the area don't call, which doesn't build up his own prestige. He might be looking out for the kid, but most likely he's got a grudge or some other issue he's using to push kids away that will benefit him and his career in some way.
This.
To think that all HS coaches have their players' best interests as their own first priority is to be naive.
Most of them are just like anyone else. They have their own agendas and interests. They have people they like and people they don't like...and grudges that they hold on to because of real or perceived slights.
To me, it is completely irresponsible of a high school football coach to dissuade a player from attending a school like Michigan, which is objectively elite (yes, being top 10-15 in football is elite) by almost every academic, social, community and athletic metric available.
Boy, talk about an agenda!
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You act like getting 5 stars drafted in the top five is something so easy when our five stars never live up to the hype ever.