Per WQAM's Joe Rose show, UM will loss nine scholarships over next three years. No bowl ban. Announcement at 10 a.m.— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) October 22, 2013
The NCAA came to this decision after shaking their magic 8-ball.
They weren't leaked. The sanctions were officially announced.
When I first made this thread they had only been leaked, and had not been officially announced yet, I'll edit the title.
Generally, they send out a notice to the news agencies ahead of time to let them know what is being discussed so that they can formulate questions. I'd imagine he reported this on twitter after receiving his.
Here's the link to the official NCAA report, which I was just about to post up here but you beat me to it so I'll just throw it in here rather than start a new thread. (Mods- You're Welcome)
For all sports, any staff member who sends an impermissible text to a prospect will be fined a minimum of $100 per message, and coaches will be suspended from all recruiting activities for seven days.
lack of institutional control should come with an automatic bowl ban. instead it comes with the dreaded slap on the wrist.
Technically they self imposed a bowl ban for the past 2 years; at least 1 of which they would have played in the ACC championship game and were bowl eligible.
Show-cause seems to be the new thing to do. I kind of like it. Punish the people who were involved rather than the coaches and players that are completely removed from it.
To be fair, it's only been a decade of lack of institutional control. Alabama laughs at the amateurism.
Where the magic happens
Let's face it. Cheating is worth it.
Let's cheat, I want a national championship.
If you want to watch professional athletes, watch the NFL. I want to watch Michigan Men play football for their school, and for their teammates. Not for money or strippers or tattoos or cars or houses.
We play one team that cheats per year. And they might not even be a dirty program anymore. Okay, okay, sorry. Either way. We didn't lose to Penn St. because they cheated. Some would say that we should of had an easier time beating them because they hide a pedophile. We choked away any shot at a National Championship this year. And every year since 2006, we have lost to teams who didn't cheat.
You can complain about losing a National Championship to cheaters when we get to the National Championship and lose to those cheaters. Michigan has to hold up there end of the bargain against other B1G programs first though.
we had no shot at an NC this year.
I want to believe they cheat.
But there was little chance we would have made it to the MNC at 13-0. Looks at OSU. If any combination of Alabama, Florida State and Oregon runs the table, we get shut out. In fact, a one loss SEC team would get in over an undefeated OSU.
The B1G is officially a pillow fight league. At least that's the perception.
If you read Mark Schlabach yesterday, you'll see another articble about how in-conference losses in the SEC are apparently the result of playing other star-studded teams. They're so good that they beat up on each other (ie. It's not fair that the SEC is so freaking awesome). In the B1G, if OSU loses to anyone in the conference, they suck and should walk the plank.
That perception only changes when we're back where people are accustomed to seeing us and we start winning some real non-conference games.
Yeah I wanted to barf after reading that article.
I want three!!!!!!!
There's basically no punishment for cheating at this point. The deadly 'vacated wins' thing one removes stuff from the record book, not from peoples memories of who won.
In just the past few years, the following schools have been accused of fairly significant impermissible activities only to see nothing happen
And what's the worst any of them got? I think OSU with a bowl ban and some scholarship reductions? In exchange for a few BCS bowls in the reign of bad activities? Worth it
The real punishment is how long this investigation took.
a set penalty for each particular offense? This seems ridiculously light for what I understand happened there over at least the last decade.
To be fair, Miami put a self 2 year bowl ban on themselves, including missing out on the ACC championship last year.
Got the shaft by the way....10 years of infractions compared to 1 person yet USC penalties were far worse
Yeah the Reggie Bush incident looked small compared to what Shapiro alleged he gave to numerous Miami players
...by numerous players and access to the program by a shady booster seems a little worse than a step dad of one player getting benefits in another city.
The most the NCAA probably would've given them were a 2-3 year bowl ban, which Miami self imposed on themselves. The scholarship reductions seem somewhat light, but I think Miami was wise to self impose some sanctions (especially when their team was only good enough for some mid-tier bowls).
In total, between self impossed and NCAA sanctions they had a two year bowl ban, minor recruiting restrictions, and a loss of 9 scholarships over 3 years (in addition to the individual coach penalties)??? This in response to one of the more prolonged disregard for money and benefits being given to student athletes? Let's revisit Miami's record over the past few years to see how much bowl money they gave up due to their self imposed sanctions.
2012: 7-5 Overall, 5-3 ACC (UNC finished ahead of them for the ACC championsip game)
2011: 6-6 Overall, 3-5 ACC
2010: 7-6 Overall, 5-3 ACC
So, they banned themselves from an ACC title game they didn't even acheive (unless UNC was also banned due to sanctions, yeah, that's a great mark for a conference). And they lost out on two years worth of crappy bowls. I think Miami actually made out on this deal by not having to pay to send the team to two crappy bowls.
were disappointed they couldn't travel to some bowl game in a warm climate near the beach. Bummer.
That guy gives Miami the very essence of what so many of the NCAA restrictions are supposed to prevent: competitive advantages through the use of benefits otherwise unavailable to amature athletes.
Here, Miami got benefits from Shapiro for the singular purpose of recruiting better athletes to sign with Miami.
The NCAA is useless except for organizing a basketball tournemant in the spring.
We all know and love.
Ohio state fans already complaining their slap on the wrist was harderl..lol
What was our punishment again for Stretch-gate? Two years probation?
I'll never understand the NCAA.
Loss of practice time as well.
may have been harsher.
So, if the comments under the Miami Herald article are any indication, the net result is that Miami fans are now MORE excited for the FSU game moving forward than they were before the sanctions. As NCAA sanctions go, this seems like a logical reaction to their effect strangely enough. All is normal in the world of the NCAA, it seems.
administrators and players who were involved with the scandal. Don't understand the punishment on the current team who had nothing to do with it. It would make for a better consequences by the NCAA IMO.
It's not that they're punishing the current players - they're punishing the program. The players are a part of the program. Every player who will be affected by this knew full well what was going on and picked Miami anyway.
for the current players who didn't know about the sanctions until the past year to get punished for something they had nothing to do with it. I'm a bigger advocate for punishing the administrators, coaches and players for it than punishing the current program as whole.
Look at Michigan when they had Tommy Amaker, they were unfairly punished for something they had nothing to do with Ed Martin. Same thing applies.
it allows a few individuals to instigate cheating schemes that allow a program to unfairly recruit, enabling a program to grow to levels it wouldn't have reached by following the rules. Attacking the program with sanctions hits at the reason behind their cheating. If the NCAA only goes after those specific individuals, no matter what happens to them, they still succeeded in the intent of their unfair tactics. If I were a wealthy EMU alumnus, I'd start paying players, bring in talent that wouldn't otherwise be at EMU. Years later, if I get caught, but I helped EMU rise to Boise State levels of success at the cost of me being disassociated from the program, I'd say it was well worth it.
In most of these cases the school is complicit in the cheating. They purposely have feeble compliance departments run by the AD. They often know or should know about rules getting bent and broken and do nothing. They may even encourage such behavior. The differences between how OSU's compliance operated and how they claim to work now is striking. The NCAA relies on schools to police themselves. This is happening while schools realize they're getting dinged when they get caught. I can only imagine how they would operate if they knew the punishments would only fall on the coaches or boosters who got caught.
adminstrators aka people who works in the athletic department. If NCAA blacklist them for a few years, it would discourage other adminsitrators to behave the same way as them if they want to keep their job.
Dudes... based on this, here's my idea.
My oldest goes to HS near Woodbridge HS. If everyone reading this sends me a $20 bill, I'll compile them and drop them in a big maize n blue envelope with DaShawn's name on it, and hand it over to him. Match that dope, 'Bama!
And in, what, 7 years, the NCAA will release its findings, and give our alma mater a, oh, 1.5xPI scholarship ban for SQRT(0.65) years, and we won't have to give back the 2 NC trophies in the glass case.
Who's wit me?
Why not? And that's ONLY if you get caught. Worst-case scenario, disassociation and a few scholarships deducted with whatever success achieved on the field. Best-case scencario, they never find out and Michigan wins multiple Titles. I wonder how many teams that have won National Titles over the last 30 years are working under the best-case scenario? I'm guessing many.
Certainly not Auburn or USC
Anyone surprised by this haven't been paying attention. Miami has been punishing themselves since Golden got there.
...completely proportionate for a decade of a lack of institutional control. I guess I wasn't paying attention.
The funny thing is the person recieving the harshest personal penalty for the decade of malfeasance and cheating in the Miami football program is.....
The Missouri Head Basketball Coach.
Haven't seen a school get off this easily since Ped State (no pun intended).
said I guarantee you every Buckeye fan will complain that they got it worse for doing less every single time a team is in trouble. We should start complaining after them that they hit us harder for practice hour violations to annoy them.
Why's everyones panties in a bunch? Miami did self impose bans plus you forgot that the NCAA botched the investigation so they if they went in hard then it would get appealed. If the NCAA wasnt on the witch hunt they probably could have hit them harder. Plus Miami did get a bowl ban.
Ohio St fans are crying, they got a slap on the wrist. USC fans are pissed and will continue to be because they truly got hit hard. Penn St shouldnt have been hit that hard too considering it should have been handled mostly by the law, not the NCAA.
BFD! That won't slow down Miami at all. I'd love to see the NCAA levy large monetary fines instead, then take the money and put it into scholarships for non-money-making sports at other schools. (PLUS the bowl bans)
I pretty much nailed this one in yesterday's thread. It's not a credit to me, but just an indication that the NCAA has become weak and predictable. They will not take on someone who served in the Cabinet under Clinton and was awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom by Bush. This is not a partisan political post: actually the opposite. I was pointing out that her clout transcends the political parties.
The "punishment" was perfect. The NCAA got to show everyone how "tough" they are by imposing additional penalties, while Miami gets off with negligible effects from those "penalties."
Most of all, the NCAA was wise enough not to anger someone who has the power to shove everything they stand for up their arses.
"It is becoming old comparing every college’s sanctions to what happened to USC in 2010, but the NCAA keeps resurrecting the issue by going lightly on any university that committed infractions after the Trojans.
Remember, the NCAA determined USC’s violations involved only one athlete, Reggie Bush, and took away 30 scholarships. Miami’s violations involved multiple athletes and they lost nine. USC suffered a two-year bowl ban. Miami did not receive one though the Hurricanes did self-impose a two-year bowl ban.
Maybe the NCAA wanted to protect former Miami athletic director Paul Dee’s legacy. Dee, who died in 2012, famously presided over the NCAA committee on infractions that determined USC’s harsh penalties."