Looks like Juwan was right to pass on Scooby
August 13th, 2021 at 10:33 AM ^
Sorry, meant to make this a link for the copy-paste allergic https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32013761/former-butler-bulldogs-hoops-player-carlos-scooby-johnson-jr-charged-rape
August 13th, 2021 at 10:46 AM ^
Am I interpreting this post right? Is it implied that Juwan correctly anticipated a rape allegation? Is his intuition that good? It seems like a super weird thing to say.
August 13th, 2021 at 10:53 AM ^
He’s great friends with,”Madame Cleo and of course Wendy Williams!”
August 13th, 2021 at 11:12 AM ^
We did not offer which .. turned out to be the right call. I think you are the one now trying to twist it into the super weird category. He knew bad knees when he saw them.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:17 AM ^
This is the same class that had Hunter, Zeb, Jace, and T Williams, not to mention Chaundee, and Mike Smith. Where would he fit into that class?
August 13th, 2021 at 11:19 AM ^
You are trying to make an interesting topic out of nothing. He isn't a Michigan player, he's just some random dude who plays basketball, that is being charged with rape. He wasn't offered because he isn't / wasn't very good, although I believe Izzo offered.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:52 AM ^
Well, he's just not some random dude who played basketball. He's the 2020 Mr. Basketball for the State of Michigan. That's a pretty big story. What he did is utterly reprehensible. The details in the story are quite sickening.
In light of the recent NCAA ruling on Baylor, this story is a great example on how these types of cases should happen. The police made an arrest and Butler dropped him immediately. There was no cover up, no looking the other way.
August 13th, 2021 at 12:06 PM ^
The "no cover up, no looking the other way" must have really confused Izzo.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:15 AM ^
No, you aren't interpreting it correctly. Pretty sure the idea is that Juwan/staff could have had concerns about his character, and now this incident would prove that out, if true.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:16 AM ^
Juwan got a bad vibe when he met Scooby and Scooby tried to rape him. Thank goodness for his instincts!
August 13th, 2021 at 11:45 AM ^
And those meddling kids!
August 13th, 2021 at 1:51 PM ^
Leg humping is more along the lines of sexual assault.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:23 AM ^
Part of Juwan’s role leading MBB is choosing guys of character. He seems to do a really good job of that. There have been a lot of great personalities around this program.
Who is to say what he did or didn’t see in scooby? These things suck and range from he should be in prison to why did she ruin that guys life.
August 13th, 2021 at 12:09 PM ^
I mean, we don't know what Juwan was thinking, but absolutely with some recruits a coach won't feel comfortable with his character for all sorts of reasons. This is very possible. And look at this team and what he says about constructing a recruiting class. He puts character and family at the top of his list. He is building a culture and this is definitely part of it.
August 13th, 2021 at 10:47 AM ^
Ruh Roh
August 13th, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
Craig's brother?
August 13th, 2021 at 11:08 AM ^
Should I know who this is? Or any of the specifics of Juwan "passing on him"?
August 13th, 2021 at 11:13 AM ^
The answer is only yes....If you follow Michigan sports and recruiting ..... which is the only reason this board exists.
August 13th, 2021 at 12:10 PM ^
wrong. the answer is clearly no, as I am on here a lot and I don't follow sports or recruiting.
i'm here for brian's takes on ann arbor politics and to be told who, and what, to vote for. i am also on here so i can refuse to use capital letters. they make me use them all the time at work but not here man ...... not here.
August 13th, 2021 at 12:11 PM ^
Guess you're just a better fan than me. Maybe one day I too will remember recruits from years past that we didn't offer along with the details of why we didn't offer even though they were never shared. Please pray for me.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:13 AM ^
He was a top instate target under Beilein who I think we cooled on when Juwan got hired and he ended up elsewhere
August 13th, 2021 at 11:16 AM ^
Here's an article with some background. Mr. Basketball in Michigan in 2020, from Benton Harbor, committed to Butler after M & MSU didn't seem interested. According to the article "Howard had other plans."
August 13th, 2021 at 11:37 AM ^
Thanks! This would have given the OP some context.
August 13th, 2021 at 4:23 PM ^
So you are suggesting that besides updating what happened to a recruit for last year's class who was routinely part of the updates on this site and whom many on this site argued on this comment board that they hoped Juwan would bring him into the class....that the OP should also have linked several past articles on the said athlete for those who have poor memories?
August 14th, 2021 at 5:32 AM ^
Yes.
I'm on this site a lot but I don't follow basketball recruiting much. I've never heard of this guy.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:22 AM ^
The coaches that really care about the qualities and character of the kids they recruit and bring to their school have to basically do background checks with their HS coaches and teachers. My daughter is a senior and is being recruited for soccer right now, so we are experiencing it. Juwan may have heard something that luckily steered him away from this recruitment.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:40 AM ^
I'd like a world in which we see a young athlete's struggles as more of an opportunity to hope they get the support they need and correct their ways rather than assessing whether they were of some benefit to a sports team.
But I know that's all just virtue signaling so I'll stop there.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:48 AM ^
I don't disagree with your sentiment. However, homeboy is facing a rape charge. That isn't like getting in a bar fight or struggling with a substance. A lot of people that commit a sexual assault do so more than once. It is different from a lot of other crimes, and should be treated as such. Yeah he should get therapy and hopefully he can be reformed into a productive member of society...but the psychology of abusers is a whole different breed.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:57 AM ^
I'd like to see a world where people don't give a rat's ass about the struggles of a young athlete when he does something so reprehensible to a young woman. I hope this woman can recover mentally and emotionally from this horrendous attack. This is the sort of incident that scars a person for life. Scooby can rot in jail and never get any support to "correct [his] ways" as far as I'm concerned.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:59 AM ^
We do a great job of writing off victims and offenders in this country, unfortunately.
It brings me no joy when we have the highest per capita prison population in the world.
August 13th, 2021 at 12:32 PM ^
Insert, “Stop breaking the law, asshole!” gif here.
August 13th, 2021 at 1:15 PM ^
Is it a charge or a conviction at this point?
August 13th, 2021 at 11:53 AM ^
I love Juwan but you cant give him credit for this. We dodged a bullet as a program but thats just dumb luck. With that said i cant wait for basketball to tipoff!! GO BLUE!
August 13th, 2021 at 2:55 PM ^
You do not know. And Coach Howard is not going to tell us. Interesting that both us and MSU did not pursue him. Beyond that, sheer speculation on what they did or did not know or find out in their investigation. What we can say with confidence is that our current and immediately preceding head basketball coaches have brought in players that have not had these kind of issues.
August 13th, 2021 at 11:55 AM ^
Whatever Scooby do will now be under a microscope…
August 13th, 2021 at 12:41 PM ^
I see what you did there
August 13th, 2021 at 12:29 PM ^
Sad story, man. He's a good kid, and I think he'll be able to get himself back on the straight and narrow if he can surround himself with a good environment.
August 13th, 2021 at 12:50 PM ^
He might be off to the penalty box for quite a while first.
August 13th, 2021 at 1:19 PM ^
As a Butler grad, I'll point out that he was already at one of the highest accountability and highest character programs in the country. It's not like he was at a school that condoned this kind of behavior. I hope he gets help and turns himself into a better person, but a good environment was already there.
August 13th, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^
I’m in the No Means No camp. People who are convicted of rape need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent. Conversely, if a person is falsely accusing someone then they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
August 13th, 2021 at 12:44 PM ^
Yes, that is the best part of the story—he’s not a Michigan athlete. If you weren’t sold at the bum knee, certainly the criminal sexual conduct convinced you. /s
How about “What a horrible thing to happen. Thoughts and prayers to the victim” instead of “We dodged a bullet!”
August 13th, 2021 at 12:52 PM ^
This is a horrible thread.
August 13th, 2021 at 1:02 PM ^
the REAL Scooby wasn't a bulldog.....so of course he was right to pass on him.....DUH
August 13th, 2021 at 1:46 PM ^
Aw man. Benton Harbor kid. Sad to hear (I’m from the area).
August 13th, 2021 at 3:06 PM ^
But was he right to pass the Dutchie?
August 13th, 2021 at 5:23 PM ^
Well I liked his name...