Kyle McCord to Syracuse
Former Ohio State QB Kyle McCord official to Syracuse.
As an Orangeman and Michigan Man, I love to see it times two.
Also, Michigan 30 Ohio State 24
December 17th, 2023 at 8:50 AM ^
Bye Kyle. We hardly knew ye.
December 17th, 2023 at 10:40 AM ^
Hot Take..
Until JJ, Kyle McCord is a better passing QB than anyone UM has had since?
I’d say Chad Henne.
That’s how absurdly entitled OSU fans are. They just ran off a really good college QB after his first year starting for not being Trevor Lawrence or CJ Stroud, and they are happy about it because they are sure another first rounder will just show up in the locker room, learn the offense and throw for 50 TDs.
They had it too good for 2 decades and just can’t cope with these last 3 years.
December 17th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^
Yep as stupid as when Nebraska was running off good coaches who were going 9-3. Well look at where they are now. Would love to see the same thing happen to OSU
December 17th, 2023 at 11:21 AM ^
Please, football gods, make this happen.
December 17th, 2023 at 12:59 PM ^
Yes please, osu descent would be fantastic.
Also, too bad we don't play Syracuse next season, they also wear orange so can we swap Texas for them? Either would wear white jerseys for the game so maybe no one would notice?
Btw, our record against osu from '85 to 2000 was 12-3-1, since then it is 5-17 which adds up to 17-20-1, almost .500 despite a shit fuck 2 decades for us, it's called an ebb and flow, cbus toilet fans need a reality check in life lessons.
December 17th, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^
Agree with you 100% At the same time I feel like half this board was ready to fire Harbaugh. And personally more like 80% or more of the people I know in real life were ready to fire him.
Really wonder what would have happened with Nebraska if they had exercised some patience with Solich and or Pellini like we luckily did with Harbaugh. I felt like a loaner when I didn't want him fired after the COVID year.
December 17th, 2023 at 12:03 PM ^
I doubt hardly any other coaches can make the extreme changes Harbaugh made to program culture and coaching staff. M fans wanting to fire Harbaugh after 2020 when he hadn’t yet made these changes is not so crazy without the bias of hindsight.
December 17th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^
Not just that, but harbaugh looks different. So much more present than he was back then. Healthier looking.
December 17th, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^
Agree with Hillbilly.
I never called for Harbaugh's head, but he definitely didn't look like vintage JMFH by 2020.
The losses against MSU in 2015 and OSU 2016 were robberies, and add in some absurd turnover and arm punt driven losses to MSU after, as well as nukings of Don Brown's defenses against PSU and OSU, and Jim was starting to look uninterested and a bit off - not the wrecking ball that rebuilt Stanford and the 49ers. It wasn't just the outcome of the games, it was the wear that it looked like the program and expectations were taking on him that had some concerned.
2021, when he got up and said they'd beat OSU or die trying - many thought it was just words...but if you actually look at the film, he looked to have lost weight and was more present and spry in that interview and throughout the year...like the Jim of 2015 and 2016.
Not sure if he found his "happy place", learned to delegate more, or just the trusted in the Baltimore Ravens staffers and Moore had taken him to a place of comfort...but the culture and his demeanor changed starting post-covid.
Glad we stuck with Jim, and glad he's a great enough coach to have changed program momentum twice now...once when taking over, and again in 2021.
December 17th, 2023 at 1:52 PM ^
Yeah you know he had a baby too. If he had any lost sleep that would have affected him.
Course he would just manifest enthusiasm unknown to mankind and not talk personal life in public.
December 17th, 2023 at 8:44 PM ^
Your take is incredibly short sighted.
Who would Michigan have hired that could have compared resumes with Harbaugh? Change for the sake of change is an idiot's fallacy. Unless Warde was going to hire Saban, Smart or Meyer (and open the pre-NIL bag that those guy would have required), there wasn't a better hire to be made.
Anyone who through that in one year a coach that had been massively successful everywhere he had been and resurrected Michigan football in a few short years had some how forgotten how to coach is brain dead.
2020 -- our safeties coach never steps foot on campus. All meetings are done through Zoom. The season had been cancelled and then belatedly restarted.
Yeah, that looks like a valid data point. Systems produce noisy signals. And 2020 was all noise, very little signal.
December 17th, 2023 at 12:23 PM ^
After 2020 the board was split between people who wanted to fire him and those who wanted to give him one more year. I've always been slow to turn on coaches (I wanted to give Rich Rod one more year with a new DC) so I was in the second group, but at the time I wouldn't have minded if Harbaugh had retired or gone back to the NFL.
December 17th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^
Well being a loaner can certainly make you feel like a loner when nobody returns your calls!
Little word humor for a Sunday
December 17th, 2023 at 1:36 PM ^
This is a reply to poster "leidlein", in case the embedding makes it hard to follow.
I agree with a number of the responses. I was firmly in the "fire Jim" camp during 2020, and I don't even regret it. The team seemed rudderless, had seemingly a horrible team culture -- presumed starters were jumping ship -- and was absolutely horrible in big games. When asked about OSU and prep for OSU, the attitude was "one game at a time" and "all games are important" etc. Further, Jim seemed pretty checked out and in a weird spot. There was tons of speculation about his commitment and even his mental state.
Then the rejuvenation after 2020. The re-focus on beating OSU -- we are going to prep for OSU every day. The idea of "what are you doing to bat OSU today?" Jim started to look better, more engaged for the 2021 season. For me, the win at Wisconsin was the turning point. New player-leaders were emerging, new coaches and coaches in new roles were improving position groups, the offense, though very run-heavy, looked functional. The defense was nasty and had an edge. in other words, Jim was back into it and improving in a number of aspects -- in selecting coaches, in focusing on the beat-OSU goal as primary, and even in game-planning and play-calling (to a degree at that point).
Yeah, I wanted Jim fired in 2020. And that wasn't a bad thing. But Jim made major strides to improve a ton of things, and 2021 Wisconsin started the change in my thinking.
December 17th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^
I couldn't have said it any better. I was firmly in the camp of fire Jim or let him go to the NFL. He just had seemed to have lost the fire for CFB and the team didn't seem to have it either. Then 2021 came and it seemed different, but to be honest when The Game came, I was nervous and every time OSU would have a good play the uh-oh here it comes feeling would come reeling back. But thankfully those moments were few and far between.
I'm glad UM was patient with Harbaugh and kept him another year, at the time I wanted him gone but I wasn't upset that they kept him either. Glad to see a rejuvenated Harbaugh that OSU, the B1G and the NCAA are so afraid of that they have to keep looking at the program with a fine tooth comb and suspend him in order to try to contain him. What they don't know is you can't contain a jackhammer! He can do this all day long!
December 17th, 2023 at 7:59 PM ^
I did not want Harbaugh fired (or to go to the NFL), even in 2020. But hey, I thought RR should have been given another year or two too.
December 17th, 2023 at 1:35 PM ^
In a way we kind of did the same thing to ourselves when Lloyd left. Not the exact same situation but I think that arrogant sense of entitlement and invincibility led to much of our trouble during the dark ages.
December 17th, 2023 at 9:22 PM ^
May the ghost of Frank Solich haunt them for 20+ years.
December 17th, 2023 at 11:31 AM ^
It is shocking to see them get worked up over a 2nd-team all conference performance, though I do think they realize that they just had a transcendent WR and a lot of other big name pieces on offense and it was (to their standard) pretty meh. Now, that shouldn't lead you to run off your QB and hope, I don't know, Cam Ward is going to swoop in and be a star.
It has felt for a couple of years that OSU is running in the fumes of Urban Meyer and that their new normal is very good but not necessarily elite team, and it can be hard for OSU fans to accept that.
December 17th, 2023 at 3:03 PM ^
Times have changed a bit, too.
t(tm)OSU had been running a NIL program very effectively under both Tressel and Meyer. Other teams are able to run these (legally) now. As well, the rise of analyst roles (a long term NFL role) and pro level scouting has somewhat contributed to levelling matters.
College football, for better or worse, is slowly morphing toward an NFL business model and it is unclear if teams who long-term took advantage of the loopholes (t(tm)OSU, Alabama etc.) will still thrive in the changing landscape of (essentially) player free agency and NFL talent evaluation.
December 17th, 2023 at 12:03 PM ^
Devin Gardener would have been a fantastic throwing QB if he had a better line, but I get your gist.
The hubris of OSU is fantastic. Brown, Keinholz or Norland (if he doesn't go to GA) will emerge as a good QB, but they won't be as good as 2nd year McCord. This is where they begin to unravel. The Schadenfreude is so excellent. It is hard to predict the future, but it feels like it will be a slow but steady descent over the next 2-3 years.
2023--OSU loses to Mizzou in their bowl game without McCord as Brown throws 2 interceptions and has a fumble. [11-2] They lose Jeremiah Smith to FSU and Air Noland to GA their 2024 class falls to #4.
2024--Brown/Keinholz struggle and OSU loses to OR, Michigan and one of Iowa, PSU, Northwestern or their bowl game. Their 2025 class falls out of the top 5 for the first time in years. They lose more in the portal than they take in. Day stays as he still has the best HC record in the history of college football. [10-3]
2025--OSU brings in a ringer QB transfer to replace Brown/Keinholz and he has a Shea Patterson/Kyle McCord type season. Good but underwhelming. OSU loses to TX, PSU, Michigan and half of Washington, Wisconsin, Rutgers and their bowl game. 8-5 or 9-4. Day is fired after 5 straight Michigan losses.
OSU fans clamor for Urban Meyer or Mike Vrabel, but neither want the job despite the most lucrative offers ever. Luke Fickell refuses the job after being 3rd choice. Hartline is promoted internally.
2026--OSU loses to TX, Michigan, Oregon, USC, their bowl game and one of Iowa, Nebraska, MD or NW. 7-6
I can't believe I'm writing fan fiction about OSU's collapse. So much joy!
December 17th, 2023 at 12:59 PM ^
Ah, waiter? See that guy over there, WQ? I’ll have whatever it was that he ordered..
December 17th, 2023 at 12:12 PM ^
Might have some mutual entitlement going on. Rumor has it McCord, and principally his father, were looking for assurances Kyle McCord would be the starting QB at OSU next season. Based on McCord’s season, and other, possible upgrades, on the roster and through the portal, Day wasn’t ready to comply.
Coming into 2023, Harbaugh had no issue saying JJ was the starter; JJ earned that. Coming into 2022, Ryan Day had no problems saying CJ Stroud was his starter. Stroud earned that. I don’t feel McCord had put himself far above other OSU possible 2024 QB’s.
December 17th, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^
So now OSU is back to where it was last year, with an unproven starting QB — except this time they’ll be playing without MHJ and in a tougher B10 (and with a soft, mentally broken coach who’s 1 loss away from getting fired). The late-stage empire decline is underway.
December 17th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^
yeah ok, whatever you want to believe. Of teams in last stage empire decline, OSU is not on my list. I’m more concerned about M’s precarious future. Coach Harbaugh probably leaving; definitely leaving if M wins Natty. NCAA seems determined to punish M. Maybe this lessens when Coach Harbaugh leaves for NFL
You sound like OSU fans after loss in 2021 proclaiming M was losing everyone and 2022 OSU would give them what for. Your 10,000 foot view of OSU’s program, forgive me if I’m brash, seems grounded in mush.
On a side note, getting away from goofball fans. The most inspiring moment of M v OSU 2023, as a spectator, was seeing M and OSU players giving respectful hugs during the Zack Zinter painful ordeal. Lot of class shown by both teams.
December 17th, 2023 at 2:40 PM ^
Aside from a very lucky and very rare run of great college QBs, Day refused to give McCord valuable game minutes the past few years. He never created special packages for him like we did for JJ in 2021 and in addition, kept Stroud deep into huge blowouts to pad Stoud's stats.
Then there's the whole thing that Day pretty much only recruited McCord to make sure he landed Harrison. Anyway, I hope they have to break in another brand-new starting QB again next year.
December 17th, 2023 at 10:27 PM ^
To put it another way… McCord was one bad play away from beating the best Michigan team in 26 years. And they threw him out like garbage. It’s so wild.
December 17th, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^
Lost 1 road game by six points? Pack your bags, Kyle
OSU is garbage.
December 17th, 2023 at 3:53 PM ^
There is certainly a level of toxicity in the fan base and unrealistic expectations that can’t be enjoyable to be around.
December 17th, 2023 at 11:08 AM ^
A surprising landing spot for Kyle McCord.
I thought for sure a major P5 program would try and land him as a 1-2 year bridge like LSU did with Burrow.
So far a lot of their transfers are landing at programs that are a clear step below:
- McCord > Syracuse
- Evan Pryor > Cincinnati
- Chip Traynaum > UK
- Julian Fleming > ???
hopefully this is a signal to the talent-level on OSU’s roster right now
December 17th, 2023 at 12:08 PM ^
I hope it’s a big indictment on their inability to develop talent. “Turning 5 stars into 3 stars” would be a great knock on the program’s image.
December 17th, 2023 at 8:50 AM ^
Is it too much BPONE to think this could end up Raiola to Nebraska, Noland flipping from OSU to Georgia and OSU making a run (albeit unsuccessfully but enough to get people worked up) at Jadyn Davis?
In all honesty though, I didn’t even consider Syracuse as a possibility, so not sure what it means big picture. When Pitt was thrown out as a possibility for McCord, I was intrigued. But I think he’s a good QB and OSU fans’ petulance towards him and entitlement mentality somehow resulted in me defending OSU’s QB in conversation the last couple weeks.
December 17th, 2023 at 8:54 AM ^
+1 for use of “petulance”
December 17th, 2023 at 8:56 AM ^
Yes. That is too much Bpone. Why would Davis, or anyone else for that matter, choose to defect to the repeatedly vanquished osu over sticking with B1G champion Michigan?
December 17th, 2023 at 8:57 AM ^
Davis already arrived and is practicing at Michigan.
December 17th, 2023 at 9:25 AM ^
At the risk of displaying stalking behavior while the doxxing post is still visible:
December 17th, 2023 at 9:39 AM ^
I still wasn't sure until I looked at the AKAs...
December 17th, 2023 at 8:58 AM ^
Davis and family loves Harbaugh. And I quote "the man can't lie". Now, when Jimmy goes to the Bears, I'm not sure.
December 17th, 2023 at 9:02 AM ^
Various headlines have confidently assured me that Harbaugh will be coaching in Chicago, Vegas, San Diego, and Ann Arbor next season. It will be a very busy year for the Harbaugh family.
December 17th, 2023 at 9:17 AM ^
As a Steeler fan who is completely done with Mike Tomlin, let’s add Pittsburgh to that list should Harbaugh decide to go back to the NFL.
December 17th, 2023 at 10:01 AM ^
As a Bengals fan, I am glad to hear the Steelers fans are getting tired of Tomlin. We have been sick of him for well over a decade.
December 17th, 2023 at 10:07 AM ^
Doesn't Tomlin have a very similar record to Cowher? It's hard to be successful in the NFL without a great QB. I don't follow the Steelers. Is it part Tomlin's fault that Big Ben hasn't been replaced yet?
December 17th, 2023 at 11:59 AM ^
You sound like a Buckeye fan. Why are you tired of Tomlin?
December 17th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^
I get it. Tomlin is legit a bad in-game manager. We all make jokes here about hiring teenagers who are good at Madden to make game management decisions but in Tomlin's case it really would be a big improvement.
Tomlin's career record is great because 1) he had a large chunk of Roethlisberger's career and 2) he is perhaps the league's best *man* manager. The guy can coach. His communication skills, mano-a-mano, are I would argue better than Bill Parcell's.
If Tomlin retired tomorrow to somewhere in suburban Pittsburgh (Fox Chapel?) and decided to enjoy himself by coaching a local HS team, and I had a talented HS son who wanted a college FB career, I would move to that district.
I say this as a dad who *did* have a mildly (I do mean *mildly*) talented baseball playing son and there's not a single HS in SE MI I would have moved him to. Not even OLSM (which he wasn't remotely good enough for anyway).
Tomlin is that good of a player coach.
December 17th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^
I love how strong of an endorsement you think that is.
December 18th, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
Tactical flaws (and Tomlin has them, no doubt) are magnified in football because you play so few games compared to other sports. That said, they're still a small part of what makes great football coaches great.
Great coaches recruit great talent, and maximize its effects by devising schemes that play to its strengths and cover for its weaknesses. Look at Kyle Shanahan - the man consistently turns out top offenses with - at best - QB's who nobody else really wanted, because he knows how to compensate for their weaknesses and put the burden on the players who can handle it.
And for that matter, Tomlin went 9-8 last year and just missed the playoffs with a relatively untalented roster. The fact is, you simply don't win at the rate he has without being at least a good coach.
December 17th, 2023 at 9:40 AM ^
There is more than 1 coaching Harbaugh - Jim, John, and Jay, so 3 out of 4 could be true.
December 17th, 2023 at 9:43 AM ^
Don't forget New England
December 17th, 2023 at 10:09 AM ^
Could be a great/tough place. Cap/owner support are great, total rebuild/super high.expectation fan base, tough forsure...best to stay in A2.