Klatt on Super Bowl Late Holding Call: Bad Call

Submitted by smotheringD on February 14th, 2023 at 12:16 PM

He gives several good examples of bad officiating having too much of an impact determining the outcome of big games, including the overturned UM touchdown in the CFB Semi's.

The reason why the defensive holding call on the Eagles was bad was that it was the first defensive holding call or DPI called all game.  The strike zone had been set.  That wasn't the first tug on a receiver's jersey all game.  Be consistent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUiJcudaruE&list=TLPQMTQwMjIwMjNwKfXP6liDwg&index=2

lilpenny1316

February 14th, 2023 at 12:53 PM ^

That was a soft call and KC got bailed out. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would put that call next to some of the non-calls in the 4th Quarter of the AFC title game and say that the fix was in. Sadly, I don't think refs are good enough to fix games the way we think they can.

Perkis-Size Me

February 14th, 2023 at 12:55 PM ^

I mean it is the rule so I get throwing the flag, but like everything else in the NFL, the main issue is consistency. You call it one play but let it go or “don’t see it” the next, and unfortunately you called it in a high leverage moment that essentially iced the Super Bowl for KC.

Granted, there’s no guarantee Philly would’ve gone down the field and scored if they had that minute or so to work with, but now we’ll never get to know for sure. 

If you’re going to call it, fine. But call it every time. Or don’t call it at all. this whole “the refs didn’t see it” BS isn’t a good excuse. They’re paid to see this stuff, and if they can’t, then either hire more refs or find new ones. 

Kentucky.maize

February 14th, 2023 at 6:52 PM ^

It is a huge issue and I think more so in basketball. They are so inconsistent with cheap off ball or reach in calls near half court that have no bearing on the play. To me this play was the basketball equivalent of a guy bringing the ball up the court with 10 seconds left and the defender slightly bumps him, but it has no bearing on the play and the official blows the whistle allowing the game to be decided by free throws.

leidlein

February 14th, 2023 at 1:07 PM ^

I've only watched a handful of his videos, but each time he has been spot on. Does a great job. I agree with his take on this topic. I do think he missed a couple points that contribute in general, if not specifically to the holding call at the end of the Super Bowl:

  1. Athleticism - The players are so much more freakishly fast and athletic that this makes the game that much more difficult to officiate, as compared to 10, 20 years ago.
  2. Emphasis on passing game - More passing plays, more plays with difficult calls to be made, higher chance of a mistake or controversial call. In today's game, it is not unheard of to have 50+ passes in a game by a QB. Not too long ago, 20 was about average, 30+ would have been a maximum.
  3. Technology / HDTV - Watch a game from the 1990s on Youtube and look at the shit quality. Imagine how many bad or controversial calls were not even considered due to lack of replay, crystal clear images, zooming in to the nth degree.
  4. Replay as a crutch - How many times do you feel in watching a game that refs are biased toward making a call a certain way with the knowledge "it can be reviewed if I screw this up"?

As usual Joel does a great job. And I agree, I feel like the Eagles got jobbed. Maybe they don't score, but we will never know since that opportunity was taken away from them.

energyblue1

February 15th, 2023 at 8:00 AM ^

Disagree with more guys freakislhly athletic.  In some ways yes we have many more better athletes.  But they've also gotten better training and better ped's.  Biggest issue imo for player safety is getting rid of ped's from the game.  

Emphasis on rules made the change.  20 years ago you could hand fight with rec's 30 yrs ago you could mug them.  30 yrs ago you didn't see short crossing routes because the rec would get decked for coming across the middle and if a lber didn't knock him the fg out, his coach would chew his arse all day long.  The rules changed allowing for passing game as qb's, rec's all got protected.  They've also largely removed the launching hits from the game that used to be common place.  

Technology is far better, and absolutely agree.  But controversial calls were still common place but we didn't get the zoomed in view to argue it as fact or not.  But by the same token, today officials change how they officiate from one game to the next.  Nobody answers what a catch is.  How on earth can a rec in one game have two toes graze the turf going out of bounds be a catch but a rec in the middle of the field land two feet and another body part down and then a defender knock it out or the rec gets a 3rd step in before the ball is knocked out and it not be a catch.  But in the next game it is a catch?  

From play to play or game to game.  When calls are made matter.  So, take the 4th qtr of the superbowl, how is that game is not officiated the same in the 4th as it was the 1st?  The tug on the arm to slow a rec down is the most common play by db's in today's game college and pro.  So, why is it called one play and not the next, or why is it called at a critical point in the 4th qtr but wasn't called 10 other plays throughout the game?  That's a bad look and feeds the animal out that cries the league is rigged.  

KC Wolve

February 14th, 2023 at 1:19 PM ^

Here's the thing that isn't mentioned much. Was it a hold? yep. However, what really drew the flag was Mahomes seeing the hold, making the throw, and then calling it out. I would almost guarantee that if Mahomes just looked over and saw a receiver not open and either ran or threw it away, it wouldn't have been called. The combo of it actually being a hold and then Mahomes throwing it and calling it out caused the result, which was correct in my opinion. 

Crash

February 14th, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^

This is the first comment I've seen mentioning this.  As soon as this play happened, I turned to my gf and said "well now I hate Pat Mahomes".  I couldn't hate Tom Brady for the Michigan ties, but I'm sure he infuriated so many people for a similar reason.  I believe Mahomes is the new NFL darling as a previous poster said.

However, I actually disagree with you about it even being a hold.  I believe the strike zone analogy works best in this argument.  It's only a strike if the ump decided it was a strike consistently for the entire game.  I don't think that was a hold because that kind of contact from a DB is RARELY called as a hold.  I also disagree with the motion that you have to find instance in THAT ONE GAME where similar contact wasn't called in order to argue that it shouldn't have been called in that one game.  I think that kind of contact in most games is not called.  I don't care if the statistics of that one game don't support the argument (which they probably do anyway).

That call ruined the entire game for me. It felt like a complete waste of 3.5 hours all for some ref who decided to be noticed.  Refs shouldn't make the outcome of the game... they should set the tone of the game.

Twitch

February 14th, 2023 at 1:22 PM ^

This holding call is not why the Eagles lost the game.  Four plays after the holding call KC kicked a field goal.  Before the holding call KC was already well within field goal range because of a long run by Mahomes.  And lets not forget the Chiefs had 4 drives in the second half.  Three of these drives were 9+ play drives that ended in scores (2 TDs and a FG).  Where was that vaunted Eagles defense we had heard so much about?  The other drive?  A three play drive that covered 5 yards and ended in a touchdown set up by a 60+ yard punt return allowed by the Eagles.  The Eagles only managed three drives for two scores (A TD and a FG) and a three and out (I'm not counting a last second hail mary as a drive).  Did the holding call ensure the Eagles would continually be eaten alive by a simple short return motion that Jacksonville had executed against them earlier in the season?  Did it allow that punt return?  Did it allow the Mahomes run?  Did it make Hurts fumble the ball in the first half for a free TD for the Chiefs?  The Eagles lost the game, that is all.

DennisFranklinDaMan

February 14th, 2023 at 1:33 PM ^

Don't forget the Eagles turnover returned for a TD that was overturned. Maybe that was the right call, maybe not, but don't tell me the Eagles fans didn't let out a massive sigh of relief when it was reversed. The Eagles simply didn't play as well in the second half as they did in the first, and the Chiefs took the win from them.

(I, too, wish that defensive holding call hadn't been made. It made the ending anti-climactic, and kept what had been an excellent game from turning into an all-time classic. Still, it's not like the Chiefs didn't deserve to win. They did. But the Eagles played great as well, and the timing of that one call was unfortunate).

King Tot

February 14th, 2023 at 1:23 PM ^

The Eagles defender grabbed him twice in one route. That needs to be called.

I think people are confusing DPI and holding. Catchability of the ball does not matter for a holding call IIRC.

mGrowOld

February 14th, 2023 at 1:29 PM ^

I would love to see a Venn diagram of Chief fans, people who bet on the Chiefs and posters here who think it was a good and justified call.

My guess is the three would completely overlap.

gbdub

February 14th, 2023 at 1:39 PM ^

The call was “technically correct” but also downy soft. He grabbed some jersey well before the pass and I think the impact on the receivers momentum was minimal. No, I don’t have and wasn’t looking for examples throughout the game, but given that this was the first defensive holding DPI called, I’m guessing there are a lot of “missed” calls out there. 

So let’s call it “borderline” - I don’t think it was so egregious that you can expect it to be called every time, but neither so innocent that you never expect it to be called. 

Given that it was borderline, I don’t think you make that call on that play. It’s not a game situation issue - I hate it when refs “swallow their whistles” at the end of the game. My issue is on that play, as it played out (and the flag didn’t come until the end of the play) I don’t think the penalty materially affected the outcome. Mahomes had nowhere to go and basically threw it away in the general direction of a receiver he hoped had been interfered with, and got rewarded for it. I’m not saying “don’t ever call a penalty unless it obviously changed the play” but if it’s a 50/50 call, and I’d say this was, that ought to be a determinant. 

duffman is thr…

February 14th, 2023 at 8:25 PM ^

This is a good description IMO. There was no real impact, it didn’t change anything about the play. If the game was being called one way the entire time and then on the last drive, on 3rd and long they call some soft penalty like that, one that essentially hands the Chiefs a Super Bowl is kinda dodgy to me. It left a bad impression on me. Just be consistent. They still can kick a FG and stop the Eagles for the win. It felt like refs, and I’m not saying it was on purpose or anything, wound up having the biggest impact in the end. It shouldn’t be like that in the final championship game. Mahomes threw the ball away and got bailed out by a technicality correct but weak as fuck call. 

Wolverine 73

February 14th, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^

Didn’t have a dog in the fight.  Thought it was a great game, and the officials were not screwing it up with a bunch of flags.  Then guy throws one on a borderline play that decides who wins the Super Bowl.  That is some bullshit.

KC Wolve

February 14th, 2023 at 2:14 PM ^

This is where I totally differ. I'm a Chiefs fan so no one gives a shit what I have to say about this but maybe I can counter with, I give no shits if JT was short or not. Get a first down. Don't miss a bunch of tackles. Don't drop a sure INT. Do that, and that call doesn't matter. The players decide the games, not the refs. Saying a ref shouldn't call a penalty is weird to me, but I get the other side of it. He Philly, get a second half stop or better yet, he Butker, don't miss an easy field goal which would have given the Chiefs a bigger cushion. The Eagles coach said it perfectly. He basically called out fans for always thinking games come down to one call or play. I don't have his exact quote, but its pretty great and absolutely true. 

LB

February 14th, 2023 at 7:53 PM ^

You're an NFL DB. It's the closing minutes of the Super Bowl. If you grab a jersey you are almost daring the ref to throw the flag. How about don't pull the jersey and do what you're paid very well to do? Where would we be if the ref hadn't thrown the flag and someone had beaten the receiver to the ball? We'd be having a discussion about that instead; KC right there for the winning kick and the officials stole the game from them.

Klatt is the same guy who had a pouty face because no one would tell him who was really calling Michigan's plays.

MaizeGVBlue

February 14th, 2023 at 1:47 PM ^

how about don't be in a position where a borderline call could determine the outcome of the game.

Hurts self inflicted fumble and horrible punt coverage gave KC a very short field both times and resulted in 14 pts

duffman is thr…

February 14th, 2023 at 8:36 PM ^

This is a great point that I haven’t heard a lot. Clearly the ref saw the hand on his back, but he didn’t throw the flag until the completion of the play, meaning when it failed and was going to be 4th down. There’s no reason the flag shouldn’t have already been thrown, but it was a late flag after the play concluded. Why wouldn’t you throw that flag the second you saw it? That’s how penalties usually work. I’m willing to bet a lot of folks like me would have already seen the flag and said that’s game right there and not been particularly upset about it. It’s the delay that really makes it appear the flag was only thrown because the play ultimately failed. 

907_UM Nanook

February 14th, 2023 at 2:33 PM ^

You can go back to the 1st or 2nd quarter on a Chiefs 3rd down pass to Juju, and it was obvious that he was interfered with by an Eagles DB (can't recall if it was Bradberry) - no call. You could say the controversial call was a "makeup call" for earlier handsy DB plays. But you have a better case if you stick with the "consistency" argument - because that's the most important thing at the end of the game. Again, it was a "marginal" holding call in my opinion - and we all know now that it was clearly a hold. As a Chiefs fan, I'm happy. As a football fan - I wanted to see one more Eagles drive because up to that point, we're talking about one of (if not the) best Super Bowls of all time.

duffman is thr…

February 14th, 2023 at 8:42 PM ^

I didn’t really care who won myself. I don’t hate either team or anything. I look at what you saw and see it as they were letting the teams play the whole game and not interfering really unless it was necessary. Then when the game was actually in a position to be taken by a team the whistle comes out. On a really soft call. If the DB had white gloves on it might have been enough alone to not call it. That’s ref’s having way too much influence. As Putin said earlier, that’s a call that the second you see it you either throw a flag or don’t. Waiting to see if they convert before throwing the flag is what bothers me. I’ve heard NBA refs can be like this with shooting fouls. Literally deciding if they are going to call it based on whether the shot goes in or not. 

butuka21

February 14th, 2023 at 3:03 PM ^

Was it a hold? 100%. That is all.  I love Greg Olsen and Klatt but the call during the game when he said he did not agree with it….dumb.  A hold is a hold and he got caught. it’s the right call whether you like it or not. 

ESNY

February 14th, 2023 at 3:06 PM ^

There is an enormous difference in comparing his commentary about a review official overturning a call on the field that appears pretty damn inconclusive at its best (or affirmative of the on the field call at the worst) vs. a judgment call about a WR who was clearly grabbed and twisted coming out of his break.

I hate the thinking of letting things go at the end of the game and let the players on the field decide the outcome which if you are refusing to make a legitimate call, you are not letting the player decide. 

See the UVA vs. Duke basketball game - the officials first made the absolutely right call to call a foul with 0.0 seconds on the clock as difficult at that call was. Unfortunately they shot themselves in the dick by not knowing the rules and changing the call but they made the correct call first even though if it was any team other than Duke - every fan would be yelling because the refs shouldn't impact the game like that (btw - fuck Duke)

UofM Die Hard …

February 14th, 2023 at 3:23 PM ^

Im just surprised the field conditions arent being talked about more....we all saw Michigan and TCU slipping everywhere. 

Some super star is going to get hurt badly on that stupid wheeled out field....like wtf we doing here with that dumb thing

If I was owner of Cardinals that would be by next task on teh daily to-do list, burn that field, replace with anything proven to be better.

Sopwith

February 14th, 2023 at 4:27 PM ^

George Toma, aka "The Sodfather" and Super Bowl groundskeeper since the Coolidge adminstration is 94 years old. He's a beloved figure but he's not above criticism and in any other profession people would be loudly saying it's time for him to go. That field was his responsibility and it was a wreck.

Time for him to go. Give him the gold watch and the retirement party, and if he won't step down, make him an offer he can't refuse.

Monday Morning…

February 14th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^

It's too bad the NFL doesn't have the money to hire and train full-time officials, so as to maybe prevent terrible calls or non-calls from impacting games. Oh, wait...

I agree w/ others in this thread who have brought up consistency. It's like how in basketball, a foul could be called on basically every play but the better referees call things roughly the same throughout any given game. You don't go from calling nothing all game, to calling that with the game on the line.

KC Wolve

February 14th, 2023 at 7:09 PM ^

Eh, I’m not sure I agree there. Ha. I was actually pretty terrified that they were going to score and leave just under 2 min left. Plenty of time for Philly to score……and then go for 2. I think they would have gone for 2. The Chiefs had no answer for the planned short QB run with Hurts. While the casual fan would have enjoyed the shit out of that, ill take a SB win. 

energyblue1

February 14th, 2023 at 6:56 PM ^

Klatt is dead on!  You don’t change how you officiate a game in the fourth quarter!  That’s a big issue!

That said, they took a score off the board by the chiefs, so that one evened out.  The catch-fumble-scoop-score was a good play, it was a catch and fumble!  
 

Tcu cfp game, don’t fumble, punch it in both times, don’t throw two pic 6”s and we dominate!  

duffman is thr…

February 14th, 2023 at 8:19 PM ^

It definitely ruined the game for me. It was such a good game and was heading for a classic finish, just like that it was literally done. On some soft whistle they weren’t calling all game. It had no impact on the play whatsoever. I bet JuJu didn’t even realize he touched him. I wasn’t really rooting for a team either, but that really annoyed me. It really felt like a bail out that guaranteed a Chiefs win barring something crazy happening. Plus Hurts outplayed Mahomes overall IMO. I mean if he tackled the guy or blatantly committed the penalty out of desperation I would get it. Of course it doesn’t mean the eagles would have won but they should have had their chance, and we all lost out on a potential epic ending to a great game. 

duffman is thr…

February 14th, 2023 at 9:48 PM ^

Looking over the different comments I still just don’t see it. If Mahomes completes a first down on that play does that ref still throw the flag? It just doesn’t look good, made a possible all time great Super Bowl lesser via refs deciding to jump in at the end. We’ve all seen way more egregious DPI/Holding go uncalled many times. The fact is penalties occur on most plays, good refereeing is essentially being consistent. I feel like that call was determined by the outcome of the play. When they didn’t convert the flag came out. That’s the epitome of a ref influencing a game. Like an NBA defender  not getting the foul called on them because the guy  hit that contested three.