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People realize the MGoBoard FAQs were written by Brian, right?
The quality of posting around here has really gone to hell lately.
...for the info. And most of us would prefer to not have to read dumb comments like this (hence the bit in the FAQ). So whether or not you care about the points, try to respect the other users and refrain from "expressing your opinion" in the form of "F O$U" and the like. Kthx.
Feel free to care less if you would like
didn't mean ignore anything other than my post.
Definitely would be a bummer to lose out on Hankins and miss a chance to get some more size on the DL and a better foothold at Southeastern. I guess he won't be visiting Alabama either.
That being said, I think picking up Todd Chandler would be more fruitful in the long-term. First I'm assuming it would be a package deal with Torrian Wilson. Second, getting an in with Miami Northwestern would be a huge pick-up. While most of their players stay in town, it would be great to build ties at a school that regularly pumps out 4-stars
Ok, I might be really grasping for the silver lining of a supposed long-time michigan fan going to the enemy....what do others think about our chances with Chandler?
From what I've heard, not too good.
we're not getting chandler. i can't believe hankins is going to osu. maybe floyd will commit to osu and we snake oil hankins. hopefully he likes wizard hats.
Our wizard hat's got wings!
An earlier thread on the board today mentioned that Chandler is no longer considering Michigan and wouldn't visit - likely due to the Hopson departure. Oh well....
Yaaarghhhh....well there goes that silver lining.
But here is my attempt at a second one. Perhaps Torrian can still come aboard and help open up a new important recruiting pipeline. As we've seen with Pahokee, having an in with a school and having a few of former teammates in A2 can really help with recruiting. Plus I think that if Richrod can survive through next year, he is putting Michigan in good shape with different top high school programs, Pahokee, Cardinal Mooney, Dallas Skyline(yes I realize Drake may not qualify but its a start), and hopefully Miami Northwestern.
... would be a much better get.
The Detroit Southeastern coaches suck... They hate us more than Ted Ginn hated Lloyd Carr. I mean c'mon...
I'm not going to cry over this one if he goes to OSU. Any guy who has measurables like Hankins, and still can't get an offer from the two in-state schools until after his senior year has some skeletons in the closet.
I'd love to have his upside, but there seems like a lot of downside here as well...
i disagree. that might be true from msu, but we need bodies at DT and need to take some chances.
We need bodies, but if those bodies are over weight and don't impress at camp... Don't offer those bodies. There isn't much room for the guy in this class.
Nobody gave a rat's ass about Hankins until he got an offer a few weeks ago. Now some of you are being crybabies about it.
This class is virtually full, anyway, and several projections had Hankins on the outside looking in even if he wanted to commit.
I disagree, Hankins has been a hot topic on the GBW Scout boards for most of this year. Not to mention if you listen to Sam Webb's recruiting roundup there's always someone asking about Hankins. Hankins is a local kid many Michigan fans wanted and had an eye on for quite some time. I first learned about him when checking out stuff about Gholston.
This one really hurts. Not only is he not coming to Michigan, but he's going to Ohio St. And his big body is gonna plug the middle up. Our tiny 5'7" scatbacks are going to get engulfed by this eclipse of a young man. This is a sad day for Michigan because he could've been plugging the middle for Michigan and not those bastards down there.
Again, the coaches obviously weren't in love with him. If they were, he would have received an offer before November or December. They held off as long as possible. I have a hard time believing that a guy who the coaches didn't really want to offer would have seen the field very much, especially early in his career. It doesn't hurt that much.
Sorry, but that's bull. If they "didn't really want to offer", they wouldn't have. They wouldn't have sent three coaches to his high school the day after he received the offer. They wouldn't have scheduled an in-home visit for later tonight (obviously it won't happen now).
I don't understand what people aren't getting about this. They didn't want him in the summer because he wasn't the same player. He was injured and ridiculously out of shape when he showed up to camp. They couldn't justify offering him then, and they told him they would review his senior film after his season and get back to him. They did that, and they saw that he had improved his conditioning to the point where they felt comfortable offering him. So they did. And any hard feelings from the Hankins camp about Michigan waiting to offer was smoothed over on his official visit. You don't spend money to host a prospect if you didn't really want to offer him.
Michigan wanted Hankins, and they wanted him badly. They put the fullcourt press on him. They tried desperately to get him to cancel his Ohio State visit, and they failed. And it was STILL trending in Michigan's favor...until Archie Collins lowered the hammer. Simple as that.
i wanted Hankins from day 1. if Michigan could find room for 6 WR's they should have found room for Hankins.
The 6 WRs, being tiny slot receivers, COMBINED take up less space than Hankins.
Hopefully the coaches can get a true NT in the next class. Things aren't looking bright there behind Big Will...
This one falls solely on Rich Rod. "We'll look at your tape at the end of the season and see if you earned your offer." What the fuck is that? How about you Rich Rod! How about you comb your silly hair plugs, go jump in your car and drive your lazy ass 40 mintues to Detroit and go see the kid play in person in October! Is that really too much to ask?
Neg me all you want. I watched the O-D All American game and the UA All-American game this weekend and guess what? Between the two games I counted more commited MSU players on those rosters than commited Michigan players. Rich Rod is really kikcing ass in recruiting out there isn't he?
that no intelligent, well-reasoned argument has ever followed the words "neg me all you want but..." on this board.
and today doesn't appear to be the day that changes.
I've never seen a double facepalm captured on camera before. Amazing.
My daughter is out interning with a large animal vet in Kansas. And sticking her arm up cow's butts. Really enjoys it . . . working with vets, that is. I'll wait until after she's done a week of preg checks before seeing whether or not she really enjoys the other.
That's exactly where it comes from, too. One of the people on the board here was talking about his daughter, I believe, wanting to go to State to become a Large Animal Vet. I said that's fine, so long as she knows it's not all rehabilitating mistreated horses. Sooner or later, she's going to have to stick her arm up a cow's butt.
And I don't want her to go to State, but it's hard to justify UM for someone interested in Vet School. Living in the Chicago area, the best bet is U of I in Champaign, because it's a lot cheaper than out of state costs.
RR has Michigan in the top 12 in recruiting this season, plus 14th last season. With 3 more recruits we are probably in the top 10. Michigan has 8 wins in two years, name another program that could be recruiting in the top 15 with that record. Come on man, what a joke.
Give me a break, then you join the Spartan cause!!
I said 8 wins...not 13. Nice!!
Notre Dame 2007: 3-9
Notre Dame 2008: 7-6 (with a bowl win)
Notre Dame recruiting class 2008: 2(!)
Notre Dame recruiting class 2009: 21
(According to Rivals)
Notre Dame won a combined 10 games in 07 and 08 and that including a bowl game which means they played one extra game than Michigan 08 and 09. The average recruiting class for Notre Dame the following years was 11.5.
If you are going to be smarmy at least get your facts straight. I understand your sentiment, but Notre Dame pulled great recruits after dismal years too. Don't be arrogant and think Michigan is the only school capable of doing that.
Weis was dealt a nice hand when he arrived at Notre Dame. He did a great job recruiting, only based on the fact that he was an NFL man.
No bowl games!! You don't think that those recruiting classes had anything to do with the 9-3 and 10-3 seasons before the 3-9 campaign. I have a feeling it does.
RR hasn't had a 9-3 season or a 10 win season at Michigan yet. He has gone 8-16 in two years with no talent to run his schemes until 2009. Now he sits with a top ten class!! If you ask me that is pretty amazing. If you want to put Notre Dame in there go a head, but 7-6 isn't considered a losing season the last time I checked. Nice facts!!
Apparently someone doesn't understand why the re-evaluation at the end of the season was necessary...
Hopefully we can pull in Jibreel Black or Beachum. Haven't heard much lately about the latter, so I would tend to think we have a better shot at Black. Hopefully he is blown away by his visit
Hankins has been to UM on a number of unofficials. I know it's probably OSU, but I wouldn't rule us out yet. He's had the OSU and Florida offers for some time. If he's not waiting until signing day to achieve maximum hype, it seems strange that he's making the decision just a few weeks after his offer (and right at the end of the dead period).
I'm trying to be more optimistic in 2010.
No, it's over. He's going to Ohio State.
offer Hankins earlier on because he was very overweight and if they had offered him earlier he would have committed.
Hankins has been a second choice for Michigan throughout the process and he is still a 2nd choice for OSU.
If he commits to OSU and they accept his commitment then that most likely means that Sharif Floyd is going to UF. I would rather have OSU have Hankins than Floyd.
That being said, I wouldn't mind Hankins in our class and it sucks to have any in state player go to OSU.
Supposedly, OSU is in good shape with S. Floyd. So they may get Hankins AND Floyd. Not necessarily a case of "either/or" for OSU with respect to those two guys.
I can see him going to OSU.
I'm not buying it. The coaches weren't in love with Hankins. They had reservations about him. If they were in love with his abilities, they would have recruited him all the way through the process. Will Campbell wasn't in great shape, yet the coaches stuck with him the entire way through the process.
Our coaches gave Hankins a chance to earn an offer WITH CONDITIONS.
And yeah, they did put the full-court press on Hankins. You're absolutely right. It's just that they waited until Jay Guy wasn't going to come to Michigan...Sharrif Floyd removed them from the picture...and until they realized Mike Thornton probably wouldn't be an option... They definitely put the full-court press on when every other DT wasn't an option anymore.
Campbell is also better than Hankins at essentially every aspect of the defensive tackle position.
ANY type of offer they gave to Hankins in the summer, he was going to try to commit. And then RR would've had to turn him down. Gee, I wonder how that would've played out...
"RODRIGUEZ HUMILIATES RECRUIT WITH FAKE SCHOLARSHIP OFFER"
OSU "offered" him in the summer too, and they wouldn't have taken him then if he tried committing, either. They had the luxury of being able to do it, though. UM didn't. How you can even argue this is beyond me. A day after they offered him, THREE coaches were in his high school setting up a visit that happened that weekend, because once again, and you conveniently ignored this part of my post, Hankins was completely different his senior year than he was at UM's camp in June. I'm not talking a few pounds, either.
I'm not speculating or theorizing here, I'm telling you what happened. UM addressed and dealt away with any issues the Hankins family had with the late offer. They made it very clear that they absolutely wanted him after watching his senior film. And then his coach stepped in and poisoned the entire situation, because that's what he does. He did it with Fred Smith, he did it with Gholston, and he did it with Hankins. Two of those kids grew up Michigan fans. None of them ever had a chance to come here. The "reservations" Michigan's coaches had about Hankins weren't there anymore. Simply put, you don't offer a scholarship to a kid if you don't view him as a viable contributor to your team. Especially when you don't have the luxury of gambling because your job security isn't exactly stable.
What circles do you travel in? UofM program, HS coaching world, or other?
are you really mad about here, michigan losing out on a player or because his sparty coach is douche???
I love your stuff OB, but I have some questions about your conspiracy.
1. Where is Dantonio in all this?? MSU will have a ton of schollies open and Dantonio doesn't want a guy OSU and Michigan wants? Is there more to that part of the story?
2. Why did this douchbag all of a sudden step in? If he is how you portray him wouldn't he have been pushing the anti Michigan stuff since Hankins was a Sophmore and not let it get to this point.
3. How exactly can this guy exert this much influence? If I wanted to go to Michigan and Michigan called me up I'd listen. I understand sometimes these kids doon't have parents or their parent doesn't know much so their coaches have some influence, but it sounds as if he has both parents and they are in favor of Michigan. I hear a lot of talk about coaches steering kids, but it just doesn't make sense to me. I can see downplaying certain schools, but once the coahes establish a relationship and you make visits and they meet your family, how does 1 guy standing on your driveway saying beware of Michigan change your decision. Boy I really love Michigan and Coach RR, but my coach said Michigan does blank...... so I'm not going. Wouldn't you call RR and ask him about whatever allegations he is throwing out there about Mich. I've never been in the situation so I don't know, but it sounds silly.
1. Not sure. Maybe MSU had/has the same reservations UM had, maybe he doesn't fit the type of DT they like, maybe they don't need another DT (I'm not sure what their numbers are like there).
2. Simple answer. He stepped in all of a sudden because UM came on like gangbusters all of a sudden. There's no point in badmouthing Michigan to a kid or his parents when they're not actively recruiting him.
3. Your guess is as good as mine. I've tried to get a solid answer on how he can control these kids' recruitments so much (keep in mind, he's not even the HEAD coach at SE), but no luck. It could be as simple as the coach simply having the absolute trust of the parents and players to handle the recruiting.
It sucks losing Hankins if he does commit to OSU, and it stings double because it is to Columbus, but I respect that RR and staff told him to shape up and he did and he got better offers than what he had as a result of it (I believe Fl and OSU came into the race after the summer?).
Even if it means us losing out on him, Hankins is in a better position now to succeed at the next level than he was last summer. Good for the kid and hats off to RR for giving a good, honest assessment even though we lose out on the kid.
Why would Rodriguez have had to turn him down in the summer? You answered that question yourself:
a) He's not an elite DT like Campbell, Floyd, etc.
b) He was out of shape
So, in other words, the coaches weren't in love with him. There were a bunch of other DTs they had offered before then, and if they had received a commitment from any of them, Hankins never would have received an offer. If Jay Guy committed, there's no offer for Hankins. Same goes for Floyd or Thornton or Hailes or Cann or Rome or Heimuli, maybe even Beachum.
Hankins was a BACKUP plan. And yeah, you're right that they really wanted him, but that was only after virtually every other option fell through. So excuse me if I'm not crying over losing Michigan's Plan B - actually, more like Plan K - option.
Okay, I think we're on the same wavelength now. (And this answers GOBLUE4EVR's question): I'm slightly disappointed that we're missing out on Hankins simply because there's nobody else on the board at NT, and we needed a NT. But I'm borderline furious that this guy has put the kaibosh on us again at Southeastern.
The whining about Johnathan Hankins on this thread is just insane. Noone here was going to see him playing in a Michigan game until 2012 at the earliest, and OMG MELTDOWN.
He's not coming - whoop dee doo. Michigan can find a walk-on this year to fill his redshirt year place, and then sign a DT next year and the team will be fine.
Yeah, there was an insane amount of whining, but there was also a really good conversation between Other Brian and Magnus, which was very nice too see. Hopefully, there will be more more substantive conversations in the future.
(Note: I didn't neg you.)
I agree with most of your post, but walk-on 300-pounders are rare. We're not going to be able to replace Hankins with a walk-on. That will have to come from a scholarship player this year or next year.
(Note - this comment isn't really directed at you; more so just thinking out loud). It's not easy to pull a 300-pounder as a walk on, but I just watched a game last night where Boise State played a 0 star 300-pound freshman defensive tackle that they pulled out of our friggin' backyard (Michael Atkinson). Who just played pretty darn well in the Fiesta Bowl as a freshman. It's not easy, but there are guys like that out there.
played HS football in windsor, which doesn't have the best talent... i grew up in windsor and i only know of 6 or 7 kids that got scholarships to D-1 schools.
the best person to ask about this kid is Lupe since he played HS football in windsor. Lupe how good was this kid? i read that he played for the ravens also.
His nickname "Canadian Bacon" is pretty effing awesome too
Yeah, I know he's from Windsor and that they don't have a lot of talent that comes out of there. My point was more so that a lot of these players do exist and are under the radar for exactly the reasons you mention.
Atkinson did play for the Ravens, along with pretty much any decent player ever in Essex County. I do know that his teammate back at at Catholic Central Tyrone Crawford was the better player but had to go the JUCO route. He went to Bakersfield College in Cali and is now a 4-star beast DE and headed to Boise State to play alongside Atkinson.
I understand your frustration with Archie Collins. I'm just not all that upset about Hankins. So I get what you're saying. I wasn't arguing the truth of your statements - I was just arguing whether it was a big deal or not.
OSU recruiting followers have considered him locked up for awhile now. Florida seems to be making a late push, though...Interestingly, OSU offered Hankins before offering Floyd...I get all of this from a friend of mine who follows OSU recruiting closely, so take it for what you think it's worth.