ckersh74

June 2nd, 2010 at 9:47 PM ^

Don Denkinger is scratching his head and saying "What the fuck?"

 

IF Joyce works the plate tomorrow, over/under on ejections: 4.5

twohooks

June 2nd, 2010 at 9:47 PM ^

With Don Dekinger's call in the 1985 World Series which cost the Cardinals the World Series over the Royals. Now i can sympathize with St Louis fans. Worst call I've ever seen!

 

Jim Joyce, BGSU Grad which must make a OSU fan by default. I wont forget that and neither should you.

Space Coyote

June 2nd, 2010 at 9:51 PM ^

But really, MLB should determine it a perfect game.  It didn’t affect the outcome of the game.  Only 20 people EVER(!), dating back to 1880, have thrown a perfect game in the Majors.  This is a life defining moment.  This is something you tell grandkids and they tell their friends and everyone understands its significance.  Go to anywhere in North or Central America, or East Asia, this feat is understood.  This isn’t just a game at this point, it truly is a life defining moment for Armando.  This isn’t even about me, or other Tiger fans, this is about Armando.  If it is rescinded, and declared a perfect game, then if the player that got the ‘hit’ reaches an incentive at the end of the year because of this then the MLB should pay for it.  This is outrageous, because this is something that should put his name in history, and his life defining moment was just taken away from him.  That’s what frustrates and disappoints me the most.

ggoodness56

June 2nd, 2010 at 9:54 PM ^

we need damn replay! I don't care if the game is longer. If you hire officials that can't make a 4th grade call...than take it to video you assholes!

agold1002

June 2nd, 2010 at 9:57 PM ^

 

that was a pathetic call

his wiki page did just have this up haha

James A. Joyce III (October 3, 1955 - June 2, 2010

but Selig has to take that ball and put it in Cooperstown. Give Gallaraga and asterisk in the record books if you have to. That was a Perfect Game.  Point Blank.

m_go_blue

June 2nd, 2010 at 9:58 PM ^

Who is an intern at Fox Sports Detroit- she was at the park tonight- and she just texted me saying that Joyce needed a police escort to leave the ballpark tonight.

Joyce will need a police escort to and from every Tigers game he ever does in the Motor City ever again- it is just a shame....

We still can't take anything away from Galarraga- he was fantastic tonight- 88 pitches and a CG- the first of his career- hopefully this will springboard him going forward!

SCS100

June 2nd, 2010 at 9:58 PM ^

"I just cost that kid a perfect game," Joyce said. "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay."

About being confronted afterward: "I don't blame them a bit or anything that was said," Joyce said. "I would've said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would've been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me."

"It was the biggest call of my career," said Joyce, who became a full-time major league umpire in 1989.

At least he owned up to it.

H/T ESPN Recap: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=300602106

jackrobert

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:19 PM ^

After the press conference, Joyce personally apologized to Gallaraga with tears in his eyes.  It was a terrible call, but we should all take our cue from Gallaraga's gracious response, and recognize that Joyce deserves credit for admiting his mistake.

bouje

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:24 PM ^

Can't just say "my bad I screwed up" with tears in their eyes and everything is okay. He should be fired he shouldn't get paid he should be done. Any other profession and he'd be ostricized by the community but since this is MLB baseball he'll probably get a fucking medal of honor for his honesty. Fuck that.

bouje

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 PM ^

You think that you've found the cure for cancer. You say we've found the cure for cancer. People are elated but then you realize that your cure for cancer will cure the cancer but will kill the host. You go on tv and say "dude my bad" and everybody just says "yeah it's okay". This was egregious, it was completely wrong, and there's no way in flying fuck that unless he is for sure out should he make that call period. Just as you shouldn't report you've found the cure for cancer unless you for sure have the cure. This just wasn't a missed call. Or a missed strike or a missed ball that's the last out in the perfect game that's only happened 20 times in over 100 years of baseball. This is hardly "just a mistake". He should be done. Period.

david from wyoming

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 PM ^

Dude, I'll be the first to say how much it sucks to have the only perfect game most of us will ever see (if you play the odds) taken away. But comparing a MLB perfect game to the cure of cancer? Really? Finding a cure for cancer is not even close to a good example.

To be fair, one scientist has done something horribly wrong. The South Korean that claimed he cloned a human, but after months and months it came out that he did some horribly wrong and unethical things. Much much much worse than missing a call in a baseball game. And he wasn't fired on the spot. (But, he got blacklisted for ever getting funding).

Blazefire

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:41 PM ^

You ever work in manufacturing?

"Oops. I welded that piece of equipment in the wrong spot."

"That piece of equipment was worth 3.5 million. You're fired."

I see it every. single. day. And I'll bet you anything Armando could turn a perfect game in his record into 3.5 million over the course of his career.

JamesBondHerpesMeds

June 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 PM ^

Perhaps, but it's also possible that the infamy this situation brought will translate into something as well.  Furthermore, I think his show of class even after getting dongpunched shows he's a good guy and good teammate.

I'm pretty sure the guys that hold the pursestrings won't gloss over his one-hitter when it comes to contract negotiations.

jmblue

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 PM ^

An actual co-worker of mine this year made one bad move (he flipped out and punched another guy in the office) and was fired that day.  No suspension, no warning, just let go.  It was BS, but it can happen.

jmblue

June 2nd, 2010 at 11:00 PM ^

Read the post I was responding to before you neg.

I'm not vilifying Joyce or drawing an analogy to this situation, just noting that it is in fact possible for people to get terminated over single acts. 

BigBlue02

June 2nd, 2010 at 11:20 PM ^

Oops!  I accidentally punched you in the face. Sorry, it won't happen again.  I swear. Now if you will let me get back to my job.....

jmblue

June 2nd, 2010 at 11:36 PM ^

I'm sorry I brought this up, because this is someone I actually know and care about, but for the record, 1) he did not punch the other guy in the face; and 2) it was in the context of an heated confrontation.  I did not witness it, but those who were present (including the guy he punched) felt that it was more deserving of suspension/counseling than outright dismissal. 

jackrobert

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:57 PM ^

Blowing a call is negligent, punching your co-worker is battery.  That's why Joyce won't get fired and your coworker got summarily fired.

Given the great Stretchgate scandal, you'd think all of us Michigan fans would know how to distinguish between an act of negligence and a willful act of violence--you know, like a certain mass co-ed beatdown carried out at Rather Hall.

Come on people: the call sucked.  When they showed the replay, I screamed at the TV and woke up my 11-month old son.  But let's show some intelligence if not class.

jmblue

June 2nd, 2010 at 11:22 PM ^

OK, the two of you are misunderstanding me here.  I'm not drawing an analogy between that situation and this call.  I'm not calling for Joyce to be fired.  I agree that he has handled this as well as he could.  It's just that the statement above - "There is no profession where one mistake results in termination" - is not true. 

king_kerridge

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:57 PM ^

If a lawyer commits perjury he loses his license

If a doctor commits malpractice he can lose his license

If a police officer shoots an unarmed suspect he could be fired.

I'm not saying Jim Joyce should be fired, but there are are plenty of professions in which the "right" mistake will cost you your job. 

jackrobert

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:42 PM ^

Did I say everything should be "okay" for Joyce?  There should be--and will be--professional repercussions for him.

My point is simply that sometimes you fuck up royally and the true test of your mettle is how you respond to the fuck up.  I think Joyce has revealed himself to be a decent guy.  No sugarcoat.

Meanwhile, Galarraga's response has been incredibly gracious and he deserves massive credit.

UMMAN83

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:07 PM ^

I thought he was from Toronto after that bad call but nooooo ... OHIO

James A. Joyce III (born October 3, 1955, in Toledo, Ohio) is an umpire in Major League Baseball who has worked in the American League (AL) from 1987 to 1999 and throughout both major leagues since 2000. He attended Bowling Green State University. He wears uniform number 66 (he wore uniform number 6 while in the American League). His strike call is extremely loud and enthusiastic, similar to that of now-retired umpire Bruce Froemming. Joyce has u... More

wmu313

June 2nd, 2010 at 10:08 PM ^

Galarraga is one classy guy. If that was me, I'm not sure if any force on Earth could prevent me from going after that ump and unleashing an unholy string of curses at him. Galarraga just smiled, shrugged his shoulders, and went back to work getting the 28th out of the game