it will suck if JH isn't on the field next week for the 1000th win in program history
Title says it all. Courts can't monetize what the Big Ten is robbing from this man.
To JH's point made during the burgers suspension: the best testament to leadership is when those you lead step into successful leadership when you can't be there.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^
typo: *best testament*
November 11th, 2023 at 4:31 PM ^
I'll happily edit in a spelling correction.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:39 PM ^
My chrome app wouldn't let me edit my post. I fixed a typo in a post made yesterday, so I'm mystified.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:40 PM ^
Nothing you could have edited, there no edit button available for opening posts.
November 11th, 2023 at 5:00 PM ^
Going forward the B1G now must immediately suspend any head coach whose assistants, analysts or other staffers do anything even verging near the rules. The coach is responsible, even without proof that the HC knew anything. Also, the precedent is that the punishment drops at close of business on Friday before their next big game on the schedule.
November 11th, 2023 at 5:01 PM ^
Also, possessing actual proof of wrongdoing by anybody, head coach or otherwise, no longer required either.
November 11th, 2023 at 5:09 PM ^
Unfortunately, that is based on an assumption of even application of the "rules".
November 11th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^
Yes, but he’ll be there for the 1st win of the next 1,000, so… Bet.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:04 PM ^
Maybe.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:07 PM ^
Not to be a buzzkill, but there is basically zero chance he misses Maryland but not Ohio State. The hearing is Friday. If it's granted, he will be there the rest of the season. If it's not, he will be gone until Indy
November 11th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^
Until at least Indy. Teeny Petitti has said that the B1G may extend the suspension, and I am not at all sure he will realize the stupidity of doing that. Certainly the mob carrying him on their shoulders are not smart enough to see that.
I'm wondering at what point this becomes breach of contract.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:04 PM ^
It will suck but he will tell you it’s about THE TEAM THE TEAM THE TEAM… BET
November 11th, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^
This might not be a popular opinion here, but maybe he should have done a better job of managing his staff on this one then? Love Harbaugh, don't think he knew what was going on, but as the boss you have to be more vigilant.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:15 PM ^
Fuck off
November 11th, 2023 at 5:03 PM ^
If the dude wanted to say something that is actually worth mentioning, it’s that perhaps the athletic department should screen employees better and if they have a 600 page manefesto don’t put them anywhere outside of a mop closet. This guy had HR red flags, not red flags that football zealot Jim Harbaugh was supposed to sniff out.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:16 PM ^
You have probably never been a boss. You will say you are but this statement is classic, “ Tell me you’ve never been the boss without saying it.”
November 11th, 2023 at 5:16 PM ^
Not going to reply to everyone, and the downvotes are fine, I'll survive. I'll just say:
1. If this was OSU and Ryan Day, we'd be all about "the head coach is responsible for everything that goes on within the program"
2. I haven't been a boss, but all the good bosses I know have taken responsibility for the actions of their employees.
It should be clear all the way up and down the chain of command that these are the rules and they shouldn't be broken. I don't want Harbaugh let go, etc. but in this case everyone should have known what the rules were and someone should have been checking in to make sure this kind of thing wasn't happening.
I think the suspension is dubious because of how the procedure is supposed to work, and maybe it gets overturned. I hope it is!
November 11th, 2023 at 5:47 PM ^
1) Only a few will be doing that. Not all.
2) Really? So, if you watch porn during work or act illegally during your time off, your boss will take responsibility? Give me a break.
You do not know if everyone knew the rule or not. I wonder why no one else, literally, no one else has been implicated except one after 3 weeks.
No -1 because of your last paragraph.
November 11th, 2023 at 6:43 PM ^
I haven't been a boss, but all the good bosses I know have taken responsibility for the actions of their employees.
There isn't a completed investigation finding that any of his employees violated any rules. That's the point of the due process argument. There's nothing to take responsibility for at this point.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:19 PM ^
It's pretty tough to ask a coach to be prepared for the possibility of the Big Ten arbitrarily suspending him in the middle of the season, for which there was no precedent whatsoever.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
What would you, and your exceptional wisdom, suggest he should have done?
November 11th, 2023 at 4:27 PM ^
What exactly was he supposed to do? Babysit Stalions?
The whole reason there's a hired guy to do the sign decoding (that everyone except Michigan can do now, since we are already without our decoder) is so that a higher level staffer doesn't have to mess with it.
Stalions wasn't any better at it than all the teams that had all of Michigan's signs (which we also now know was via collusion). No reason for Coach to think twice about what was going on.
The reason your opinion isn't popular is because it is garbage.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:31 PM ^
Sorry, not buying the idea that a head coach is remiss for not directly supervising a recruiting analyst.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^
Lol getting roasted here.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:50 PM ^
If you're trying to win a popularity contest, you may want to post that on an MSU or Ohio State blog lol.
In all honesty, I am not assigning much validity to the "he should have known what an entry-level assistant was doing on a daily basis".
I would venture to bet prior to this low-level-violation-turned-media-circus, you could ask any coach in America "what does your Administrative Analyst do on a daily basis", and they could not give you a detailed answer. The same way a CEO could not tell you exactly what an entry-level credit analyst does on a daily basis.
Should Michigan - and specifically Harbaugh - have setup some safeguards around mitigating rules violations for their lower-level staff members? I suppose you could argue that, but I think its a bit pedantic. I'm not even sure that would have caught what Stalions was up to, because the actual language as the rule is written is so abstract and vague that it is kind of hard to explicitly instruct what is and is not illegal. Most people would not go the lengths Connor did to scout something as trivial as play signals... but most people are not Connor.
Make no mistake, this is about a league full of obtuse asshats that don't like Jim Harbaugh. It's not about program negligence from the head coach.
November 11th, 2023 at 5:02 PM ^
shut up
November 11th, 2023 at 5:03 PM ^
You’re right about not being a popular opinion. Eat a bag of dicks, then eat some more.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:10 PM ^
Wow. This is ignorant.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^
He wasn’t there for 900+ of them so I think he will be fine. If anything, it’s emblematic of The Team for it to be “got” by a fill-in
November 11th, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^
Michigan fans are taking over that stadium in 7 days. I may or may not have purchased 96 pairs of blue binoculars for the bus full of Wolverines coming from NoVA. Go Blue!
November 11th, 2023 at 4:12 PM ^
I will be there!
1,000
November 11th, 2023 at 4:13 PM ^
We have a group. We'll be there in huge numbers.
Weather looking good too
November 11th, 2023 at 4:27 PM ^
I will be there
November 11th, 2023 at 5:20 PM ^
I will be there along with some fellow alums from work. I missed the deadline for getting away game tickets from Michigan by forgetting to respond until the last day and not remembering the deadline was 5 PM rather than midnight. Since I knew this could be win #1000 if all went well, we ended up getting some cheap season tickets ($99) before they went on sale individually, really just for this game. Went to a couple of other games with the first-time experience of rooting for Maryland at their stadium since they weren't playing Michigan (my kids do go to Maryland), and donated the rest. Looking forward to hopefully seeing Win #1000, and will be very mad at the NCAA if they mess up Win #1000 in the future by making us vacate games over this stupid scandal.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:31 PM ^
I'll be there, and hell's coming with me.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:41 PM ^
You and Josie Wales!
November 11th, 2023 at 4:09 PM ^
If the TRO goes thru he will be
November 11th, 2023 at 4:11 PM ^
Count on it - the PSU win will greatly diminish the 'imminent harm' defense in the eyes of the court. I hope that's not true, but I fear it is...
November 11th, 2023 at 4:15 PM ^
If Harbaugh's there we win today by 35. There's harm for you.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:23 PM ^
That is not the thrust of the issue anyway. The BIG does not have a rule like the NCAA that essentially impugns the Head Coach for acts of the staff.
The primary issue is going to be “what did Harbaugh DO to deserve a penalty/punishment of any form?”
I actually do think the TRO will get granted. From a basic perspective of logic the BIG position fails.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^
The B1G also doesn't have a clause that permits the Commissioner to unilaterally adjudicate a rules violation without investigation or process.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:34 PM ^
And the 3 games is above what the Commissioner can order anyway.
Whether the injunction is granted or not, it was one of the single dumbest organizational decisions I have ever seen. There is going to be serious fallout from it.
November 11th, 2023 at 6:52 PM ^
Their board voted on it, it wasn't just Petitto. The board is two PSU reps, 1 OSU rep, 1 NU rep.
November 11th, 2023 at 9:06 PM ^
I did not know that. Thanks.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:36 PM ^
He's not even adjudicating a rules violation, since the Big Ten has no rules on scouting. He cannot claim (as he supposes) that he's acting on an NCAA rules violation even when the NCAA itself has not found that.
Is there evidence that CS essentially paid for video of Michigan's opponents? Yes. Has the NCAA determined that this was, in fact, a rules violation? No. Petty Petitti's claim that he can make the decisions for the NCAA on what is against their rules and what is not is not legally or logically tenable.
November 11th, 2023 at 6:58 PM ^
Eh. I think the core of the case will be whether they can punish an institution by suspending the head coach. That's what they did to get around how their rules are written. The way I read the rules, they are allowed to punish the institution under the sportsmanship clause. But two things; is suspending the head coach actually punishing the institution, or a way to skirt their rules? And can the sportsmanship clause be legally used for this particular infraction (alleged)? Precedent would say no.
So if those things go against them, it undermines their future ability to enforce future punishment on this case. I think. But had they waited for the NCAA investigation, maybe it would have gone Petitto's way. He had to do something though... because.. reasons.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^
That is ridiculously flawed logic because that means by corollary had Michigan lost it would have proved irreparable harm, which of course then means that granting the TRO next week was too late.
November 11th, 2023 at 5:15 PM ^
Counterpoint is that the win underscores the realistic probability of a national championship run, jeopardized by the absence of their head coach.
November 11th, 2023 at 4:13 PM ^
I'll be there. Can anyone find that shirt woodson had on at the end? Michigan vs everybody in black