Iowa Strength Coach Issues Statement
Not doing the greatest job with the whole "listening" part, is he...
They had us in the first half, I'm not gonna lie....
Shouldve just stayed quiet
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WHAT?
He might be the strangest dude on this blog.
That title belongs to me.
I came here to note that Chris Doyle's comment was incredibly tone deaf, but then I saw this. Jebus dude, you get the top podium on the tone deaf awards ceremony.
What is the point of your "very strange" comment?
Esterhaus, if this is not trolling, your are indeed out there. "Temple of the negro", wtf?
BTW, if you are part of any organized religion you are already essentially in a cult, and if you happen to be Christian, there's a good chance your Lord and Savior was black or at least brown - of middle eastern decent.
Being of Semitic origin, Jesus would be considered white by the U.S. Census Bureau ("a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa") - but he most likely didn't have chestnut-brown hair and blue eyes, as in the popular conception.
The Middle East or North Africa. You learn something new everyday. I would have never thought that.
I believe that was a one off with Eddie Vedder and Chris Cornell.
Big words from someone that probably believes everything created itself on its own. The first uncaused cause was....nothing? But yes, world views that don’t think that’s reality are cults.
This isn't an argument about religion, but more a philosophical question: if everything was created by God, something had to have created him by your logic, right? Isn't it impossible for the first uncaused cause to not have been nothing?
TrueBlue-I was responding to this "BTW, if you are part of any organized religion you are already essentially in a cult."
So that is where we very much differ. I can admit that God always existing is a supernatural thought(that requires faith). Can you admit that everything creating itself from nothing is a supernatural thought(that requires faith) too? I've found that non-theists struggle with admitting that the origin of their beliefs require faith.
Not being negative, I have a lot of love for everyone. Just thought the original note I responded to was a bit rude.
I agree that because of a negative connotation with the word cult, I can see how you would find it rude and that was probably the intention (to troll Esterhaus). But by definition cult means: "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object" so he's also not technically wrong by saying organized religions are essentially cults.
I'm not arguing against the idea that God created the world as we know it. I do think the difference between "theists" and "non-theists" as you put it is that theists believe and accept their creation story based on faith and non-theists specifically don't necessarily believe anything that requires faith. They may theorize things but I don't think they "believe" it in the sense that they accept it as certain truth.
Thanks for your feedback on this. I know Mgoblog isn't the medium for this kind of discussion, but I appreciate your thoughts. The root of what I believe you are saying is absolute truth vs relative truth. That is a much broader conversation altogether because it ties in history, text, the sciences, etc...I would say that I would not feel very satisfied answering the biggest questions in life by saying anything that isn't concrete is open-ended and I don't think about it.
That's not my reasoning for my Christian faith, just giving an example of a portion of it. I like your breakdown and will ponder this more.
Yep.
As an avowed non-theist, I do my best to never engage in "belief".
I stick with "the preponderance of evidence"... and if there is no preponderance, the answer is we don't know (and I feel no need to create an explanation).
Gotcha, and I can understand that. I think whether we use belief, faith(which are typically terms reserved for world views dependent on another entity), etc....everyone is putting trust in something that is ultimately unknown. You give a good thought about not needing to feel a need to create an explanation, and I agree that there is not an answer to every question out there(I would subscribe to the book of Isaiah in the Bible "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts").
I think where I'm at is that no matter what world view you ascribe to, you're putting stock in an unknown. From there you can go a million ways.
Thanks for the candor.
Hi Bo. To be a Christian, one needs to accept the Bible. Nothing in Esterhaus' comments would lead the reader to that conclusion. I think we need to move on to other possibilities.
How drunk are you, on a scale from 1 to Sark?
I have to say, that scale made me chuckle
Chicago Police Officers shoot [European] man in video-recorded Red Line struggle:
Both cops were porky black americans attempting to murder a white man for no good reason. THERE WERE NO RIOTS. Black cops shot down an innocent white man for no valid reason.
Yet no riots and blacks didn't prostrate themselves before us. And their neighborhoods were not burned, so they still had grocery stores.
Next.
Nobody is prostrating themselves before anyone. People are finally acknowledging a societal imbalance that has roots reaching over 400 years. That's a good thing.
If you think the real problem is black "porky" officer violence on white suspects, I suggest you reconsider the situation. Of course you can always find one-off incidents that don't fit the overall concern in any societal shift. Those incidents in isolation mean jack shit. There's a reason that white Americans are not taking to the street because of systemic injustice to white suspects based on race.*
Jebus, man.
*Spoiler alert - it's because there's no evidence of that sort of systemic injustice.
It's rotting your brain man, you can barely string together a coherent thought.
Esterhaus should just come out and say he doesn't like black people. I would save a lot of time and effort.
Did you even watch the video? They wrestled with the guy for two minutes urging him not to resist while trying to handcuff him and when he fought to his feet, he reached for his sweatshirt and refused to put his hands up at which point they shot him once and then he ran (potentially endangering other people). No good reason? Are you kidding?
And he wasn't killed, the shots were effective at immobilizing him such that no one else was in any potential danger.
Of course no one rioted. If these were white officers reacting to a black suspect they wouldn't have even been suspended (which these officers were). Investigation is ongoing and these officers will likely be found well within protocol.
Ok, cool. Hook’em
Yeah! You go shop those looted and burned out now-missing stores. Ha ha ha ha ha, hah.
How do you tolerate the team with so many black athletes?
Dude, really WTF! Bolivia would be too good for you.
The hell did I just read
It's either performance art or a rather severe, and untreated, mental illness of some kind.
I'm leaning towards crazy though, having read his recent comments.
There is nothing on God’s green earth earth as cringeworthy as “I need to listen”.
Especially when you don’t fucking do it.
Interesting to see:
- The difference in tone from Ferentz's statement
- Never once saying he's sorry, or admitting he did anything wrong, or offering to change anything. ("Saddens me to hear the stories of their difficult experiences" while not acknowledging that players saw him as the difficult experience.)
- An unequivocal statement that he's never "crossed the line of ... bias based on race" and never made "racist comments."
- Closing with a defense of his record based on Iowa football being a laboratory of character.
This feels more like a defense statement than the statement of someone who wants to work with people on a problem. I don't think it will help him with the players, though I wonder who his intended audience was here.
Yeah, he wrote this in a way that guarantees if there’s worse that he’s done in the past, it will now comment. Reminds me of Hugh Freeze daring anyone with evidence of wrongdoing to email the compliance office. We all remember what happened next
The statement is not surprising based on what I have heard regarding his personality. I’m not sure what claims have been made against him and what the truth is but this does challenge others who may have remained silent to step up.
Have any former players showed public support?
I know, right? He was born white, white with the original sin. How dare he suggest otherwise.
No way this guy keeps his job. They'd be insane not to fire him.
Let me tell you about a man by the name of Gary Barta....
I think his statement is totally fine. If I didn’t do anything wrong, I’d be pissed about being called out and adamant that I didn’t do anything wrong. If a man or women is going to lose their job it should be with more evidence than “he said- she said”.
There's testimony of lots of players discussing numerous different incidents. This doesn't feel like he-said, she-said.
But more than that, let's say he genuinely believes he didn't do anything wrong. Isn't it telling that, when confronted by a ton of his subordinates saying, "no, you what you did was wrong," his response isn't to seriously consider that maybe he's wrong, but to double down?
They were under oath subject to the penalties of perjury? I say lots of shit, that doesn't make it true. Or false.
Doesn't make sense, either.
Could have stopped at “I say lots of shit”
Settle a bet...are we talking about Esterhuas or Chris Doyle here?
Settle a bet...are we talking about Esterhuas or Chris Doyle here?
Most definitely Chris Doyle. While I've led an extraordinary life, I am just not that interesting. I am going to keep it that way while speaking for an underserved community, mysort.
15+ former players say he did it. His statement is essentially calling all of them liars.
15+ all having a similar story about him, I think I’ll side with the players as it stands.
He gone. If he stays, goodbye to Iowa recruiting.