Illinois player out tonight with mumps(!)

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da fuq?

 

Khalid Lewis of #Illini has mumps although John Groce wouldn't name him specifically. He's "day to day," the coach said. #dechr

— Mark Tupper (@MarkTupper) December 29, 2015

bluebyyou

December 30th, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^

While a vaccine may not be 100 percent effective, vaccinating a large segment of the population greatly controls the spread of a disease. Lax vaccination policies change this scenario and puts the general population as well as immunocompromised people at risk.  

There are people, including children, that typically die at U of M hospital every year because they have not received influenza and other vaccines that could have prevented a disease or greatly reduced its severity.

 

dragonchild

December 30th, 2015 at 12:49 PM ^

I was vaccinated and got it anyway.  Very rare back in the day when people weren't crazy so vaccinations were routine.  I don't know anyone else my age who's had it -- that I was such a remarkable exception is a testament to the MMR vaccine's effectiveness.  It just didn't take in my case, I guess, though I wonder how I caught it.  But hey, lifelong active immunity FTW.

Anyway, yeah, there are worse things you can get.  It was quite unpleasant, but it's not like the norovirus bouts I get where I wish for the sweet release of death.  Luckily I got it as a young kid, because according to Wikipedia

Painful testicular inflammation develops in 15–40% of men who have completed puberty and contract the mumps virus

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

 

GoBlueInNYC

December 30th, 2015 at 12:35 PM ^

They shouldn't be - they work and choosing not to get your kids vaccinated not only endangers them but endangers the children they come in contact with. Unless there's a serious medical reason (e.g., compromised immune system), they should all get vaccinated. There is absolutely no reason for outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles.

VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN!

The Mad Hatter

December 30th, 2015 at 1:26 PM ^

No vaccine is 100% effective.  The link that justingoblue posted above explains it.

Also, her son is a few years older than mine and they don't get all their shots at once.  Kids aren't completely protected until they're about 2. 

I was terrified to leave the house with him for the first few months of his life as there is a pocket of unvaccinated idiocy near my house.

 

JamieH

December 30th, 2015 at 2:07 PM ^

The whole 'what are you worried about, you're kdis are vaccinated" line of thinking is incredibly stupid.  As Hatter points out, no vaccine is 100% effective.  The idea is to try and stomp out the disease by giving it nowhere to go.  Anyone that is left completely unprotected opens up a new avenue to re-invigorate the disease, and once there is an outbreak, even people who are immunized are not 100% safe. 

And then he also rightly points out that babies are not fully immunized until they are a certain age, so that is an additional risk if they are around older kids that haven't been immunized. 

Back 100+ years ago kids used to die of all kinds of crap with alarming frequency.  It was all to commonplace.  Immunization has wiped a TON of that out.  I don't think people understand what a massive effect immunizations have had on our overall quality of life.  People just EXPECT kids to be generally healthy now. 

The Mad Hatter

December 30th, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^

I think the drop in infant and child mortality rates (thanks to vaccines) has made people become complacent.  Most of the people that are anti-vaccine are too young to remember being terrified of getting polio.

Talk to someone who grew up in the 40's or early 50's about polio, and tell them you're not getting your kid vaccinated for it.  Even money that they'll smack you in the face and call you an idiot.

JamieH

December 30th, 2015 at 3:37 PM ^

almost died of Polio as a child.  They told his parents to say goodbye to him.  Then a very aggressive doctor decided to go find a Polio survivor and do a blood transfusion.  Mind you this was in the 20's so I have no idea what was known about antibodies at that point, but essentially the blood transfusion saved his life by getting something into his body that could fight back against the disease. 

He never 100% recovered (had some physical weakness on one side), but he was mostly ok and lived to be 90.  He never let us forget how important vaccinations were.   For him, the idea that no one ever had to worry about getting Polio again was a miracle. 

GoBlueInNYC

December 30th, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^

Nobody "reasoned" themselves into not vaccinating their kids. It's a completely insane and indefensible decision. It is terrifying that all research on presenting the benefits of vaccines to anti-vaxx parents just causes them to even more irrationally double down on being anti-vaxx. The fact that erradicated diseases are returning is an absolutely travesty.

And unlike many other issues for which I'm willing to accept differing POVs and opinions, this one actively hurts children for no goddamned reason. So no, I won't accept your condescending "life lesson" about decisions that lead to more needlessly sick kids.

LS And Play

December 30th, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^

I'm not arguing for one side or the other here, but I think the issue for some people is whether a state should mandate vaccines for children and whether there should be exceptions for parents with sincere religious opposition to vaccines, etc. The effectiveness of vaccines should not be a political issue at all, though, and every parent should get their children vaccinated. 

xtramelanin

December 30th, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^

take it from a parent who knows.   and also look up the word 'thimersol'.   they don't call it mercury anymore, but many of the vaccines you would give your children contain this poison which is mercury by another name, used as a preservative. 

why do you think they have a special court and funds dedicated to those injured by vaccines which has paid out 3 billiion dollars?  because its a bunch of silly parents?   and if the vaccines lose their effectiveness over time (which they do), then huge percentages of the population are unvaccinated for many, many illnesses, yet no epidemic.   

autism has risen astronimically in our country, coinciding with the huge number of vaccines we give kids.   autism is related at least in part to immunological system issues.  

and lastly, i'm not a 'no vaccines' advocate.  i am, however, an advocate of far less vaccines, and spread out over far greater time periods.  

 

Avant's Hands

December 30th, 2015 at 2:00 PM ^

A big reason for the increasing rate of autism isn't because it happens so much more often, but because it is diagnosed much more often. Before the 80s there were no criteria to definitively diagnose autism. When they developed those criteria the rate of diagnosis exploded because doctors had a uniform method of determining who had it. 

The correlation/causation thing drives me nuts. Even if the data for that study wasn't bogus, it wouldn't prove anything. I had a friend who was a stats major and he never wore shoes even in the winter (he wore sandles at least). When people asked him why he said that shoes must cause cancer because everyone he knew that had cancer wore shoes. He thought it was hilarious.

xtramelanin

December 30th, 2015 at 1:55 PM ^

the head of the CDC got hired by big pharma, coincidence?  cnn and wsj are just spouting the big corporations' line.   i have researched the science on this in the hundreds of hours, having nearly lost a child to the issue and having spent weeks in various hospitals with this particular child.  my browser won't allow me to embed, but look up the reuters article on the issue of destroyed documents that were FOIA'd so that the underlying data could be reviewed.   the article came out in august of this year.   look at places like the vaccine reaction.

and to all you  mgoneggers, i challenge you to do the research, and i mean hundreds of hours worth, go to the hospitals, research the tests, the blood results, the data, ask the doctors, dig for answers, look up thimersol.  if you don't trust big [pick your entity of gov't or corporations or combination thereof] for important topics, why are you so willing to buy their lines now?  

 

 

TIMMMAAY

December 30th, 2015 at 2:05 PM ^

I don't know why you're getting negged, everything that you have said here is factual and correct. People should do their own damn research rather than relying on what they're told in the media and by companies that make their money from vaccines. 

In general, I think vaccines are a good thing (overall). That does not mean that there aren't serious downsides for some. Just because it isn't talked about on CNN or Fox doesn't mean it doesn't happen. 

Wake up, people. 

The Mad Hatter

December 30th, 2015 at 2:08 PM ^

in vaccines is less than you would be exposed to by eating a fish caught in the Great Lakes.

You're not wrong about people having severe, debilitating, and sometimes life threatening reactions to vaccines.  If one of your kids had such a reaction, it might be prudent to not have the rest of them vaccinated in case there is a genetic component that caused the reaction.

And that's why it's so important for the rest of the population that can be vaccinated to get their shots, to maintain the heard immunity for the protection of people that can't take the vaccines.

Also, "big pharma" doesn't make a ton of money on vaccines.  They don't lose any, to be sure, but it's not a major profit center like ED drugs.

As to the alleged autism link, that is just patently false.  Autism happens in utero, not after birth.  Some recent studies have suggested that having kids at an older age might play some role, and other suggest that the massive increase in the number of women taking anti-depressants during pregnancy is the cause.

Also, autism is just a lot better diagnosed than it was when we were kids.  Remember that weird kid in 3rd grade that no one wanted to play with?  He's autistic now.

xtramelanin

December 30th, 2015 at 3:17 PM ^

when delivered at such an early age - i am told newborns get a dozen (?) vaccines before they leave the hospital, maybe more.   and the schedule of vaccines is relentless in frequency and the tender age of the children.   compare that with most of the people on this board who maybe have had a dozen vaccines in their lifetime, and that spread out over years.  the theme is not 'no vaccines', it is 'less, and more time between them'.  

bgoblue02

December 30th, 2015 at 3:26 PM ^

who has a child who is under 2 years of age I can verify that they get no vaccinations in the hospital and don't get the first until they are about 8 weeks old which is why most people don't want to (or shouldn't or can't) fly with children until they are 8 weeks old.  They draw blood and run tests in the hospital, that's all.  

The more you reply to this topic, still without any links or proof from your research, the less you are helping your cause.

If you had a bad experience with a child I am sorry for that and hopefully everyone is healthy, but the impact to the vaccine could very well be due to allergies, or comprimised immune systems etc, that are unfortunate but bound to happen.  Any supposed negative side effects other than those two things are just factually incorrect as stated by every doctor and credible research report ever 

drjaws

December 30th, 2015 at 3:26 PM ^

A) most all vaccines don't have thimerosol anymore and haven't for 10-15 years

B) thimerosol isn't the "Mercury" you are thinking of. Thimerosol is NOT methyl mercury. It is not the same Mercury you get from eating fish. Unlike methyl mercury, thimerosol is rapidly eliminated from the body.

C). Why people deny clear science, then say "oh the govt and the pharmacy companies" are full of shit.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/



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