Ray

January 3rd, 2024 at 10:32 PM ^

They were wrong.

We’re all going to part of one of the biggest sports documentaries of all time when this is all said and done. (No doubt what more than a few of us have written here will be a part of it).  

For people who make a living writing and speaking about this, their words will be remembered.  

charblue.

January 3rd, 2024 at 10:58 PM ^

Michigan haters want this scandal to strip the achievements of our team this season. They could care less whether the college footballl world's response to the sterile Stalions allegations was an extreme overreaction or that it gave Michigan any measurable advantage at all let alone a projected 21-point edge per game while according to Big Ten officials jeopardizing player safety in the process. 

If this issue is going to be investigated and consequences administered beyond what Michigan has already been subjected to based on preliminary review, then let the heavens fall.

Because the only real penalty that will have any meaning is denying Michigan a national championship after the fact. And we get to play for that accomplishment --which, believe me, will never escape anyone's memory regardless of any pending NCAA threat, like some forgotten unpaid college tuition debt.

Michigan just played in the most watched college football game of our lifetime and bullied in the trenches an all-time coach and opponent . Michigan drives college football. Let the rest of them eat cake. 

But if it has to be, I DO want to know who started this. How it became a thing and how our rivals launched a coup to try and ruin an all-time Michigan record season. 

Stalions hiring people to stand up with phone cameras and drawing meaningful intelligence from such an undisciplined amateur operation seems to me to be one of the dumbest ways to gain a competitive edge.

Hiring the former linebacker coach of a team you are about to play and who could give you way more direct understanding of opponent information than any sophisticated sign-stealing scheme seems the way to go.

So that's what Nick Saban did. And nobody thought anything of it, just like reaction to Big Ten coaches allegedly providing TCU with sign-stealing reports gathered a year ago as Michigan was about to play the Horned Frogs in a semi-final matchup.

This isn't over. And Michigan can't forget how it was treated with total disrespect by the conference and its members. Michigan against Everybody is what it is.

 

 

energyblue1

January 4th, 2024 at 9:27 AM ^

Michigan can never forget how the conference as a whole backed by a few, namely osu broke it's own rules to punish our program, players, staff and head coach!!!  The continuous hit job pieces by talking heads and espn putting them on continuously was a complete and total joke! 

Let us also recall the very real allegations where we know our IT systems at Michigan had been hacked.  Where we also know that teams began accessing video footage of other programs via the cloud and via Catapult Systems. 

Let us also recall that someone had investigative services following our program, players and coaches down to low level assistants!  If they are following one, they are likely following all! 

JHumich

January 3rd, 2024 at 9:49 PM ^

They don't need to read Dan. Just about everyone is saying this now. And if we win on Monday, more people will say it, more frequently, with more force. Winning will take care of itself.

PopeLando

January 4th, 2024 at 10:57 AM ^

It was very precisely timed so that the outrage and punishment would impact the OSU game. They held the story until it was advantageous to reveal it.

And OSU succeeded. It was a wildly successful smear campaign, it got exactly the response they wanted. Now, nobody’s pushing it anymore (except James Franklin, who will ride this until he dies) because it was always bullshit and the only purpose was the punishment. OSU doesn’t actually want an investigation into sign stealing.

WolverineGoneTerp

January 3rd, 2024 at 9:50 PM ^

Jim Harbaugh just owns the kingdom.  Unfairly criticize Michigan?

"It's almost an unfair advantage."  Tony Pettiti, the knife is so sharp you don't even realized you've been gutted.

jackw8542

January 3rd, 2024 at 9:51 PM ^

The Wetzel article is crap. He still wants to make it seem as if Michigan broke the "spirit" of the rule when there is no evidence that any rule was broken. OSU and Rutgers sending their stolen M signals to Purdue in the 2022 Big Ten Championship clearly broke the "spirit" of the rule far more than anything Stalions has been proven to have done. All that is known so far is that he paid for some random dudes to use iPhones to take sideline films, but no one knows what was done with whatever film those dudes managed to take.

Derek

January 3rd, 2024 at 10:27 PM ^

Not even just the spirit because he lobs the full on accusation later on:

“Everybody does it” is not a reasonable excuse for what Stalions was doing. The advanced scouting rule exists. Michigan got caught. If the NCAA wants to apply additional penalties beyond Harbaugh's suspension then so be it.

FOH, Wetzel.

bdneely4

January 3rd, 2024 at 9:51 PM ^

“It’s almost been an unfair advantage.” Jim Harbaugh may be the best coach I have ever heard who knows exactly what to say to troll his rivals. I love that guy. 

1VaBlue1

January 3rd, 2024 at 9:55 PM ^

I'm not impressed...  He continues to state that Michigan broke a rule that mattered and that other teams probably do the same thing.  He's just couching it differently, now.

UMForLife

January 3rd, 2024 at 10:13 PM ^

Can they stop writing about this? One tweet that says "Signgate is crap". That is it. It doesn't need an article and be talked about over and over again. 

Perkis-Size Me

January 4th, 2024 at 9:27 AM ^

That should make us all that much more thankful that Michigan beat OSU last month. If you thought that articles and commentary leading up to The Game were bad, it would've been 10x worse had Michigan lost. 

Guys like Thamel, Finebaum, and every vulture down in Columbus and EL looking to continue picking at the carcass had write-ups primed and ready to go for weeks before that matchup kicked off, and had Michigan lost, they would've been released immediately following the game. They were all itching and begging to hit that Publish button. 

I don't doubt that those write-ups would've been as bad as you would've ever seen about Michigan, regarding not just how it was proven that Stallions was the only reason for their success, not just how Harbaugh is the cheating scum of the Earth, but that the character and integrity of every single player on the roster would've been immediately judged as fraudulent. They would've all been guilty by association, and that narrative would've been pushed for weeks and months. It would've been pushed at every possible opportunity, until that was all that their legacies would ever be outside Ann Arbor. 

Instead, Michigan won. And all those stories got deleted, never to be seen or heard from again. Aside from Joe Paterno not coming to coach Michigan, that might've been the biggest bullet Michigan ever dodged as a program. 

CLord

January 3rd, 2024 at 10:32 PM ^

I would probably diary this post, but since I am in Bolivia, this is the best spot I guess:

Pondered why Michigan's semi-final, Rose Bowl win over Bama Monday was easily the most joyful sporting moment in my life, despite other moments such as Michigan's '89 and '97 national championships.

This is what I came up with:

1. Age -  At my age, who knows how many more events like this are left?  Made this more meaningful.

2. Hiatus - Those early championships were during decades long runs of Michigan sporting excellence, whereas this victory came after a 26 year hiatus from Michigan football accomplishing something this epic on a national (as opposed to conference) stage.

3. Disparity - Over the last 15 years, the diminished quality of Michigan football had coincided with the unparalleled rise of the SEC especially in terms of recruiting, to the point that these teams essentially toyed with Michigan whenever they played each other.  

- Lopsided losses to Bama (twice), Georgia, Mississippi State and South Carolina come to mind.  
- Monday I would not have been surprised if Bama had crushed us yet again, once again demonstrating that the SEC talent disparity was just too much to overcome.  
- That we made so many mistakes and still beat the SEC champion, who also happened to be Alabama, still befuddles.  I am still processing it.  To those saying this was a bad Bama team, well this Bama team was your SEC champion who beat Georgia and all other SEC teams!  
- The specter of this SEC disparity, that loomed over all of our conference accomplishments in recent years was exorcised! 

4. It was Alabama. The undisputed kings of the last 15 years.

5. Social media.  If I play a friend in a game of chess, and I win, cool, we had fun and onto the next fun activity. But, if before we played, we had trash talked each other for months about how we were going to kick each other‘s butt in chess, and brought all kinds of pride and boast into the match, that chess game would have taken on an entirely bigger magnification of importance. This is where we are today with social media.  30 years ago, those football and basketball games were great, but fans were not subjected to 24/7 social media haters, doubters and critics like we have today. Just an entirely bigger magnification of importance. 

6. Sign stealing scandal. Building off of the social media point above, each victory that Michigan has had after being accused of gaining a significant advantage through illegal sign stealing, has served to diminish the smoke, and the validity of all of the haters, from ESPN to Paul Finebaum, to Pete Thamel, to every hating Spartan and Buckeye on down. 

7. Streaks.  JH had lost what, 6 straight postseason games?  Saban had won what 6 straight CFP semifinals?

8. Record.  First 14 victory season in the storied history of the winningest program in all of football.

Glorious. 

Such joy.  Singular joy.

BEAT WASHINGTON!

OldSchoolWolverine

January 3rd, 2024 at 10:58 PM ^

A real story might be how we owe gratitude to Ryan Day for seminating the signgate. It forged the team and coaches like none other. Think of the confidence instilled in the players AND the coaches, especially Moore. Now THAT would burn the OSU fanbases ass.

Larry Z

January 3rd, 2024 at 11:02 PM ^

I wonder why JJ said what he said, about having to get up to their level? Hopefully he was just trying to be funny, and take jab at oSU? But with the way the sports world was initially reacting, and then the die down, why would he say something like that to potentially restart the fire. Because honesty, I am sooooooo tired of hearing the BS, especially from oSU fans.

uminks

January 4th, 2024 at 12:26 AM ^

I don't think Stallions friends going to games of future opponents and trying to record signs with their cell phones benefited Michigan one bit. Stallions himself was a good in house sign stealer and could diagnose well. In game sign stealing is legal and most every team does it. It's just sad that Michigan may get severely punished over this and our University probably will not fight back much, unlike SEC schools who tell the NCAA to go fuck off. 

Perkis-Size Me

January 4th, 2024 at 6:41 AM ^

I think most of the rest of the world except for OSU and MSU fans have moved on. 11W keeps shouting BUT THEY CHEATED from the rooftops, but nobody except them really cares anymore. Michigan is proving further on a week-to-week basis that Stallions wasn't the reason for their success.

That all got put to bed the minute Michigan beat OSU, and slammed into the face of any remaining stragglers at around 8:45pm EST on Monday night. 

I'd suggest OSU fans focus less on Sign-Gate and more on the existential crisis their program is facing.