I don't think Ryan Day knows why he's losing to Michigan

Submitted by RealElonMusk on November 21st, 2023 at 5:50 PM

I think that Day and people around him are so convinced that OSU is better due to their talent that they haven't studied what's changed in the Mega game between Michigan & OSU.   Plus, I don't think Day & company want to change.  

This is what Day said when asked, "What's changed in the rivalry to swing it to Michigan the past 2 yeasrs"?

It's fortunate for Michigan that the way OSU lost to Georgia in the playoffs last year validated Day's strategy.  I'm sure he said, "look how Georgia killed U of M in 2021 and we had Georgia beat" (OSU had an over 90% win probability with 2 minutes left in the Georgia game).

IMHO what's happened is that Harbaugh intentionally build a team designed to beat OSU.  It took a lot of years to get the lines & proper defense built up but it has now arrived.   OSU doesn't want to change and what worked for Michigan in 2021 and 2022 will work again and again until OSU makes a change.

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GoBlue96

November 21st, 2023 at 5:54 PM ^

I just listened to Mike Valenti say that Michigan knew every single play call of OSU only in the second half of the last two games. I’m so sick of these idiots. 

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goblu330

November 21st, 2023 at 6:52 PM ^

Michigan State fans currently are saying that Stalions was collecting signs of all opponents pregame, then collecting first half data collected by him or another staffer using smart-glasses, then was running them through what is called an AI “machine” (no further details-just vague “machine”)during the 15 minutes of halftime, that would then generate an exact report of every single play call that an opposing coach was going to make, in order, for the entire second half.

It is unclear whether they actually believe this or if they are kind of ironically trolling themselves, but given State fans general dimness and intellectual shortcomings I think it is the former.

This is actually what they are saying, FYI.  That is where things have gotten for them.

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Buy Bushwood

November 21st, 2023 at 7:07 PM ^

Yea, the guy Venmo-ing his friends and buying Stubhub tickets in his own name, sleeping in his car to AirBnB his house for extra cash, and getting in trouble with the city of Ann Arbor for running an appliance repair business out of his house.......yep, that guy, whom Michigan feels is only worth 55K/year, is running his "AI" machine at half-time to get UM a 21-point advantage in every game.   

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Marvin

November 21st, 2023 at 8:18 PM ^

I own an AI machine that takes two slices of raw bread and browns them to varying degrees depending on how you set this one knob on the side. If an ordinary civilian like me owns such a technological marvel, is it really so far- fetched to believe that Michigan football might own an AI machine that decodes an opponent’s plays at halftime? 

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DairyQueen

November 21st, 2023 at 9:02 PM ^

The internet is all about Conspira-tainment.

Q-Anon was a preview.

In a way, the internet is like a big novel/TV-series/movie, but it's choose-your-own-adventure and has a "VR" quality to it, and the slow temporality (wherein a movie needs to wrap up in 90-180 minutes), helps slow-drip it all the way home.

We effectively all live inside of a video game, when using the internet.

Philosophers have struggled for millenia trying to grasp and understand our reality--from science to theology, to epistemology itself--and now, technology is plodding along and constructing a haphazard Disney-land edifice on top of it based on the simplest, most impulsive, most repetitive, lowest common denominator of behaviors and desires--we're in a new Tower of Babel.

One of my favorite philsopher's/theorist's said, "Disney-land's most powerful (and unintended) effect is that it actually obscures the fact that we already live in a Disney-land."

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Carcajou

November 22nd, 2023 at 5:08 AM ^

And if Michigan has a reputation of having a guy who's "really good at stealing signs" wouldn't you be more inclined to change up who the live and who the dummy signal caller is, use wristbands, etc. and switch them at half-time, making much of the first-half information gleaned irrelevant?

 

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Dunder

November 21st, 2023 at 6:12 PM ^

I'm no Valenti, praise baby Jesus, but I think in '21 both teams knew exactly what the other offense was doing on almost every play in the second half. Difference was, one team simply couldn't get any stops or even slow down the team that just ran the damn ball. 

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Glow Blue Mike

November 21st, 2023 at 6:18 PM ^

Unfortunately I listen to him too and the mental gymnastics required for him to say we knew their plays but were at times losing is astounding to me. He claims to be objective because he will rip his alma mater, but it's the fact that is alma mater is what it is, is why he can not be objective when it comes to UM.

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JR3410

November 21st, 2023 at 6:20 PM ^

After a month of hearing stuff like this, this team will finally gets their chance to respond on Saturday, and there is no biggest statement they could possibly make than winning that game without their head coach.  I just have to imagine this team is as locked in as they possibly could be.  After everything thats been said and done, it is finally in their hands to make a statement.

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UMVAFAN

November 21st, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^

Michigan already showed that the Connor Stalions scheme didn’t matter by manhandling a top ten PSU team. If OSU somehow wins on Saturday, it proves nothing about the Stalions scheme because Harbaugh is suspended. Michigan is at a material disadvantage without the head coach. Frankly, the pressure is all on OSU. They are playing a Michigan team that’s been wounded by the Big Ten. If they lose against Michigan this year, what does it say about Day and that program? 

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J. Redux

November 21st, 2023 at 9:45 PM ^

Considering that OSU appeared to have Michigan’s signs decoded well enough to send them to Purdue, at best this would seem to have made things even, right?

Also, uh, if they only had them in the second half, it seems that might be due to… in-game scouting.  Which, assuming Stalions wasn’t recording the OSU sideline, would be very much legal.

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Eng1980

November 22nd, 2023 at 6:49 AM ^

Ouch!  I am thirsting so much for information on Michigan that I checked into both Valenti and then Wojo.  That is about 10 minutes from which I am worried I may never recover.  They cannot believe what they are saying.  The logic is soooo bad that it boggled my mind.  It was like listening to car wreck. 

I kept thinking that they are ignoring the part where Michigan typically pulls away in the second half after both sides have seen each other's signs.

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MGoMike19

November 22nd, 2023 at 8:12 AM ^

I'll never understand why M fans listen to Valenti. I work with a guy who will complain about 97.1 and the shit they say and blah blah and I'm always like, dude, STOP LISTENING TO 97.1 if it upsets you so much! Its garbage. The afternoon show is absolute trash.

All of their shows are garbage. The morning show has become insufferable because Stoney, an "M fan", bit hook line and sinker on the stallions story being the biggest scandal in history and was calling for harbaugh to be fired early on. They regurgitated every ESPN story as fact and let all of that bullshit drive the discussion. Idk if he's changed his tune bc I haven't listened in a few weeks (and will never listen to that station again outside of live games) but he as always been a defeatist about pretty much everything. I can't wait for him to retire, but the show will still be terrible. 

Sure they have Jon and Doug, but they are both neutered since they are on UofM's payroll. They have to toe the company line and 'both sides' every argument so they don't piss off MSU fans, while all the sparty slappies on the air can say any outrageous thing they want. 

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