How worried should we be about Cam Gordon?

Submitted by Tweeter on

He played pretty well in the first game save the bobble catch play.  But against ND he seemed to be at least partially accountable for most of NDs big plays.  The pass before the half he got caught doubling the deep the man instead of stepping up on the intermediate route.  He took a bad angle on NDs second td pass.  He let Rudolph get behind him on the third td play.  Plus I think there were a couple other plays that Im too drunk to remember but seem to recall swearing at the tv about. 

My point is, considering our defense seems to be adopting a one deep safety type look, how concerning is it, that the deep safety is consistently allowing big plays? 

mejunglechop

September 12th, 2010 at 2:29 AM ^

Why are you asking this question? As Brian said in the preview re: ND passing on us:

...your hopes are probably an inch off the floor and that's where they should be.

Yes the secondary, and especially the safeties, are terrifying- where have you been the last nine months or so?! That should be obvious, but this isn't the time to focus on that.

jamiemac

September 12th, 2010 at 3:49 AM ^

Yes, exactly. Another dead on post.

Tonight is for celebrating.

We're not saying we cant break shiat down. Just let's party for awhile fer gawd's sake

Work sucks, people. This is a party night. No question, a tremendous win for MEEEECHIGAN

markusr2007

September 12th, 2010 at 2:30 AM ^

There. Congratulations.

No can I go back to feeling awesome about UM beating Notre Dame in the final seconds for the second straight year?  Thank you.

Debbie Downer.

LumberJack

September 12th, 2010 at 2:46 AM ^

Good grief.  Can you please direct me to the rule that says there can be no discussions like the one the OP was trying to engage in on the same day as a Michigan win?

Some of the posters here act like there is a specific period of time during which every single Michigan fan must "enjoy the victory."  It's not clear exactly what one must do to prove they are "enjoying the victory," but complying with the unstated whims of certain MGoBoard posters seems to be a good start.  And for how long must one "enjoy the victory"?  Well, that, too, is unclear.  But thank goodness we have MGoBoard posters and their made-up rules to keep everyone in line!!!11

TESOE

September 12th, 2010 at 2:38 AM ^

I don't know how much of that fell on Cameron, but Floyd was stopped.  What doesn't cause a loss makes us stronger.  I  didn't see much that couldn't be fixed.  Rudolph out ran Gordon, but that was as good a lesson as I can imagine going into the B10 schedule.  I think Cameron will be a good safety long term.

Nice win.  I could get used to this.

BlueinLansing

September 12th, 2010 at 3:06 AM ^

TD's he was partially responsible for, "teachable moments".

 

With our youth and inexperience back there it simply had to happen sometime and it will probably happen again.

 

Fwiw, I thought Rogers and Floyd were great, and both Gordan's brought the lumber a couple times.

Fat Mike

September 12th, 2010 at 3:18 AM ^

All 3 long passes, the one before half and the two touchdowns, james Rogers was supposed to be covering the targeted receiver and for some reason completely abandoned the wr and left cam all alone. The touchdown to tj jones he blew off the receiver to jump the underneath route, the td to Rudolph, again left his man to jump the underneath route, and the long pass before halftime he let the wr run right pass him and settled in a shallow zone. I would say Rogers is at fault just as much as Gordon is. At least that's what I could tell from the replays. But after all of that, these are are mental mistakes that can be fixed with experience and coaching so I wouldn't worry to much. Now if we are making this same mistakes after 10 games that yes I would be alite worried.

Magnus

September 12th, 2010 at 9:05 PM ^

Well, when someone blames an innocent player for multiple blown plays, then they deserve to be called out.

The thing is, if a thousand people read this post and say, "Yeah, James Rogers is at fault!" and then start calling for his head, booing him, etc., the next time he makes a mistake, then he'll be feeling the heat for things that aren't his fault.

We might as well place blame on whoever deserves it (Gordon) and not on a guy who's played pretty well (Rogers) so far this year.

antoo

September 12th, 2010 at 3:19 AM ^

I'll wait for the UFR/more knowledgable posters break the game down but I'm not too worried about the half a handful of big plays that Cam gave up:

  • UConn Bobble Catch - It was his first game.  I bet he KO's the receiver if that happens during his 6th game as opposed to his first.
  • Giving up the sideline against ND - It looked like the center safety (T. Gordon maybe?) didn't react quickly enough to Mike Floyd's seam route which left him open in the middle of the field.  Cam had a choice, play the guy on the outside and run the risk of leaving MICHAEL FLOYD! open in the middle of the field or; step up and take Floyd which leaves the guy on the outside open.  While "his guy" made a big play, from what I saw the other safety failed to pick up Floyd and Cam chose to slide to Floyd, ya know, the guy that torched us last year.
  • #7's (Jones?) TD - Looked like Cam took a bad angle (our safeties taking bad angles? Who would have thought?) and maybe tried to grab an int instead or playing the man.  Maybe a more experience and some film review can help correct the issue. 
  • Rudolph's 95 yarder - Look like he had good positioning until he decided to backpedal instead of running with him.  I'd chalk that up to inexperience and as someone else said, trying to make that "nail in the coffin" int.  

That's all I can recall from the game and I pretty much know next to nothing about football schematics so feel free to correct me (or read the UFR later in the week).  I feel that some more game experience and a film sit down the GERG can correct most of those.

MichiganBlue91

September 12th, 2010 at 3:24 AM ^

We're apparently not allowed to discuss our team's weaknesses after a win without being harrassed and negged to death? Wow, that's really immature. Just because someone is uncomfortable with the play of a particular player doesn't mean they're not enjoying the win. The fact that some thought that was the case is just laughable. No matter how good we play, coaches, Rich Rod included, immediately focus on things we can improve on. Are you all implying you know better than the head coach? Harrassing someone because they're concerned with the performance of a player defeats the purpose of discussion. Seriously, you guys are cussing him out and claiming his thread as a fail? I could understand giving the guy a hard time if he had just blindy trashed Cam, but that clearly wasn't the case. But hey, it's obviously "see no evil, speak no evil," or in this case, "see evil, speak no evil lest ye be harrassed like there's no tomorrow." Well, I guess I'll get back to making my Denard for Heisman shirts and buying my tickets to the national championship after 2 games while ignoring our glaring weaknesses while our Big Ten schedule comes up in a few weeks. Hey, it worked out last year with Tate right? Let the negs fly!

Asquaredroot

September 12th, 2010 at 3:28 AM ^

said it right. You can ask this legitimate question, but it was a far more legitimate question before the season began. 

We knew coming into the season that we have a secondary full of inexperience and/or not quite as fast as you'd like them returning second year starters.

Should we be concerned about Cam? Uh... of course? He's a RS freshman converted from WR, but GODDAMN the young man shows some promise.

What better situation to learn the trade than at Michigan in front of 110,000 with an offense like this to bail you out?

Sopwith

September 12th, 2010 at 7:03 AM ^

But the thing is, asking "should we be worried about [insert secondary issue here]" is a little like being on the deck of the Titanic 20 minutes after hitting the iceberg and asking "should we be worried about the ice floating around out there?"

We hit the Cissoko-Warren-Witty-Dorsey-Turner-Woolfook-Emilien iceberg already.   I actually think GERG has done a pretty good job rearranging deck chairs.  Cam is an athlete and a competitor and he'll make a jump next year like Denard's jump this year.  Every play that gets made in the secondary this year is a major bonus, kinda like Threet's 57-yard run vs. Wisconsin in '08, so I'm going to watch Kovacs' and Floyd's picks about a dozen times each on the DVR and howl to the moon a little at the unexpected gifts.

And save this one for two years from now when we're appraising the performance of a deep, experienced secondary with players who were recruited to play where they're playing-- but you don't judge safety play by saying "[X Deep Safety] played well except for the n balls that went over his head for touchdowns."   That's like the old question, "So, Mrs. Lincoln, other than that, how was your evening at the theater?"

Needs

September 12th, 2010 at 11:34 AM ^

One thing that Denard's emergence should make us all appreciate is the development of players from year to year. Gordon is going to be rough this year. He should be. He's a redshirt freshman switching positions to the most critical place on the defense. For the first time in his life, he's playing a game where he's not one of the top 2-3 athletes on the field, he's no longer playing a game where athletic ability can cover for fundamental shortcomings. He's going to make mistakes, some of them glaring and painful, like the Rudolph TD.

But... he's also got tremendous potential that likely won't be fully realized until next year or the year after, when he learns to react to seam routes automatically, rather than reading them and scrambling to get in position. The hit he laid coming forward in the 2d quarter showed his potential. As fans, we shouldn't get down on him this year as he makes mistakes, because those are going to be a vital part of him learning to play the position. In a normal circumstance, where he could sit behind an established starter, getting practice reps, until next year or the year after, he might learn those things in practice, but unfortunately, he's going to have to learn them in the game.

GustaveFerbert

September 12th, 2010 at 7:49 AM ^

For 2010, the unfortunate reality is he is still a player learning the position and there will be growing pains for him and probably some more angst for fans.  But that should not be a surprise to any fans except the most naive.   He has started 2 games in his career at deep safety.  Hopefully, he will put in his own time studying film and more film to learn from the snafus.    And by all accounts, this is a kid that will do that.   So yes worry for 2010 - but the whole defense should cause you some worry. 

But rejoice if you start to see improvement for the season and think about the next couple of years...

Go Blue! 

 

newfoundhbomb

September 12th, 2010 at 10:20 AM ^

i agree with some of you that say its only his second game ever on defense, give him some time to learn and on a side-note i don't know why we didn't send more then 3 guys to the quarterback, when we did it seemed like we got pressure and forced incompletes.  our front 3 did a great job on their front 5 just send in another player or 2 and we should have gotten more sacks

EGD

September 12th, 2010 at 9:31 PM ^

Ordinarily I also hate to see a defense rush only three, since any QB can look like Joe Montana when they have all day to throw.  But dropping 8 into coverage helped us limit the big plays, and given the limitations of our secondary, this was probably a smart move.  Michigan was getting some pressure with 3 and there were a lot of holding penalties that could've been called.

the fume

September 12th, 2010 at 10:30 AM ^

I think both touchdowns were mental errors, and not instinctual errors. So maybe they're easier to correct, especially since this was his second game.

On the other hand, maybe he has trouble judging the football.

umchicago

September 12th, 2010 at 11:36 AM ^

who would have thought the CBs were the strength of the defense.  i thought they played outstanding.  very very disappointed in the DL pressure; almost non-existent, especially in the 2H.

FingerMustache

September 12th, 2010 at 11:57 AM ^

bottom line is that weve had a small sample size to make final judgments on him. but if he continues to miss judge the long ball, and loses track of the recievers on deep routes, adjustmentsmight be made. as of now, ray vinopal is his backup. i wouldnt be suprised to see him get some PT in the next few weeks, if only to get him some experience.

TheOracle6

September 12th, 2010 at 3:40 PM ^

I'm not all that worried about Cam.  Obviously he made a couple of mistakes, which will be fixed through film study, practice, and more experience.  These next couple weeks against UMass and BG will give him an opportunity to get a better grasp on things.  Keep your head up Cam, we love your hard hits.  HAIL HAIL

Magnus

September 12th, 2010 at 3:53 PM ^

Perhaps my biggest concern with Gordon is the fact that Kyle Rudolph ran away from him.  I would hope that a FS could catch up to a 265 lb. tight end, but that's apparently not the case here.  Gordon might be better off at Bandit/Spur if we ever get the personnel/depth to move him.

Bb011

September 12th, 2010 at 9:59 PM ^

I thought the same until i went back and rewatched the play many times. Cam was back peddling and played the ball wrong. Rudolph caught the ball and had 5 yards seperation and he had his momentum going in the correct way. Cam had to turn and had to gain momentum. Rudolph also caught it around our 35ish so he didn't have that far to run. Cam did gain on him but between rudolph having forward momentum and not to far to run he took it all the way.

Magnus

September 12th, 2010 at 10:03 PM ^

Gordon did gain on him, but...

a) it took too long

b) you can see that Rudolph started to run out of gas, which is when Gordon came close to catching him.

When they were both in a full-on sprint, Gordon didn't gain on him much at all.  It's just that Rudolph isn't used to running 95 yards.

NOLA Blue

September 12th, 2010 at 5:49 PM ^

When Michigan sat back and rushed only 3 primary DL, a 5-star QB sat back and picked us apart (see: 97-yd completion to Rudolph.)  I am hoping that this was in some way the GERG hiding his blitz packages until MSU-Iowa-PSU.  After all, to my virgin eyes, our LBs are much better pass rushers than they are in pass coverage.

ST3

September 18th, 2010 at 1:42 AM ^

I'm thinking that Cam's not used to playing in 6" high grass and misjudged how much it would slow him down. That's what I keep telling myself...