How Specialistic Erat Pax Specialistica?
Since both our specialists were drafted, I got curious as to how often that has happened and discovered DraftHistory.com (which, you're welcome). More often than I would have thought: it's the seventh time. (Round slash overall pick)
- 2019 Utah (K Matt Gay 5/145 & P Mitch Wishnowsky 4/110)
- 1985 Clemson (K Donald Igwebuike 10/260 & P Dale Hatcher 3/77) (NTDH)
- 1975 Maryland (K Steve Mike-Mayer 3/72 & P Phil Waganheim 10/236) (NTM-M)
- 1975 Tennessee (K Ricky Townsend 13/314 & P Neil Clabo 10/258)
- 1974 Stanford (K Rod Garcia 7/175 & P Dave Ottmar 16/414)
- 1974 Notre Dame (K Bob Thomas 15/388 & P Brian Doherty 9/226)
Average pick is a fair way to measure the success of the tandem:
- 2019 Utah, 127.5
- 1975 Maryland, 154
- 2023 Michigan, 158
blerg I was hoping we'd have been the only team before I started this. then I was sure we'd at least be number 1 when I found there were others. now i'm slightly miffed.
Still, just the 3rd time in the last 48 seasons this has happened!
OK BONUS CONTENT then: Michigan's all-time draftees sorted by position!
Number of each position UM has had drafted:
QB 15 RB 39 WR 38 TE 18 T 42 G 35 C 26
DE 20 DT 16 LB 43 DB 46
HB 1 B 32 E 24 P 3 K 3
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this is actually an interesting fact. I hope Robbins keeps the stache.
Should the 70's really count though? For anything?
I think at least one of those guys was drafted as a specialist in '75
Oh, they were definitely special...
I was born in the 80s, but I remain convinced that the entire 70s was basically a hoax. History just flipped from 1969 to 1980 and a poorly programmed generative AI filled in the blank.
The 1970s (deservedly) get a lot of shit for its fashion and disco among other things.
But without the 70s, we'd miss out on probably one of the greatest (if not the greatest) complete albums of all time, imo: The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.
It also gave birth to some some of my favorite groups: The Talking Heads, Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Ramones, Roxy Music...
Blue@LSU
I am soooo on point with your entire comment - except I am forced to log in, - 1 you, because of the colossal fopaux!
Talking Heads!!!! No THE!!!! They even made an album and titled it so you would never forget!
The name of this band is Talking Heads
Shit! I knew that.
I actually started my list with The Clash and then went back and added Talking Heads and Sex Pistols at the beginning, but accidentally left the "The" in front.
I'll take my downvote(s). It's deserved.
Hahaha - upvote for taking your lumps AND because you included Roxy in your original post!
And based on said bands noted, you will no doubt appreciate this... saw Jim Osterberg in Vegas Saturday night - so awesome!!!
I was born in 1965. I don't know if it's because of the formative age I was during the 70's but of all the decades I've lived through, they left the most indelible mark on me. Best movies -- character and script driven. Great music, especially 1971. Great television, especially comedies. Hilarious but memorable fashion throughout. Fascinating politics, notably a president resigning after a public disgrace. Momentous international unrest like Americans being taken hostage in Iran and Israeli athletes massacred at the Munich Olympics. Lots happened in professional sports, like Billie Jean King taking on Bobby Riggs, Muhammad Ali's reign, etc....
Yes yesy yes 100 x yes
Also Exile on Main Street, American Beauty, Outlandos D'Amour, Blood on the Tracks and many more.
Plus:
FIlm: Godfather 1 and 2, Chinatown, Jaws, Star Wars: A New Hope, All That Jazz, Apocalypse Now, Eraserhead, Alien.
Well you have to remember that time is relative and therefore bi-directional. This is just the equilibrium reality and all that it entails has decided upon.
Interesting fact: timeologists speculate the popular pet rocks were turtles at one time. This is what lead to the foundation of PETA.
Should the 70's count for anything? Yes.
PS: Plus gas was cheap, we still thought cocaine wasnt addictive, STDs didnt kill you and all of them could be knocked out with a shot of penicillin.
About that cheap gas...
Are you referring to the decade of Led Zeppelin, the Who, and Pink Floyd? Puh-leaze.
Are The Village People the most subversive pop group of all time? Hi...here are some gay porn stereotypes teaching your children a song about hookups at the YMCA, to be sung at every wedding, birthday and bat and bar mitzvah for the next 40 years. And all during the dawn of the Reagan/Ed Meese/Moral Majority late 70s and early 80s.
As a little kid, I remember asking my boomer parents what the guy in leather does for a living, since the other members represented some sort of profession or identity. Somehow I never got an answer.
Like...outstanding. Hats off to you gentlemen for flaunting it all the way to the top of the charts.
Just the other day my 11 year old asked me what "YMCA" stands for. I told her, but I think that just made it more confusing, since she was probably referring to the song.
Great post. You win the Internet for today.
Not gonna lie. The 70s were rough in many ways. Personally a tough time going through those miserable mid-teen years in the middle of it all. But one thing you can't deny is it was one of the greatest, if not THE greatest, decades for movies. In fact I'd argue it was the last great period of true movie making before special effects really began to take over. Consider:
The Godfather
Star Wars
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
Apocalypse Now
Taxi Driver
Jaws
Alien
Chinatown
Rocky
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Animal House
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Rocky Horror Picture Show
Deliverance
The Jerk
Five Easy Pieces
Life of Brian
Manhattan
And one of my favorite movies, The Deer Hunter.
Reading through these comments, I think we need a 1970s appreciation thread.
Mine too LOL. Can't even count how many times but it's >100. It is one long ass journey.
I've probably only watched Jaws on more occasions.
Ummm, and The Godfather Part II!
Yes, but I kind of consider the Godfather I and II the same movie. Tough to say one is better than the other. While Part 1 does not have DeNiro, Part 2 does not have Jimmy Caan.
Actually it does. The flashback scene at the end. ;)
Great list. I'd add American Graffiti to the list. But, yeah, back then going to the theater to see a movie was THE thing to do very often on Friday or Saturday nights. Especially back before video rentals and cable TV. A lot of fond memories from back then when I met my future wife, and taking her to the movies.
Blazing Saddles
This provoked the kind of response I was looking for. Thank you all.
The decade that also gave us Watergate and the '72-73 bear market was interesting in many ways.
Of course, for Michigan, the transformation of the auto industry that followed the energy crisis affected so many lives.
Also, Keith Jackson.
Speaking of Keith am I the only one who thinks it's a fucking crime that ABC doesnt assign him to Michigan games anymore?
He has got to be sick of doing Australian Rules Football by now.
For those of you on Twitter, check out Super 70's Sports. Guy digs up old pictures & posts hilarious comments. Like this one:
Craig's most productive season was 1977 when he hit .254 with 12 home runs and killed eight hitchhikers.
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what was the vegas line on hitchhikers?
Super 70s Sports is one of my favorite follows on Twitter.
Nice research Apostle, good work buddy!
gratias tibi ago!
but, have you factored in the effect of 17 rounds of the draft in prior years, as well as the absence of cable TV and the internet, against the presence of bell bottoms and disco music? get back to us when you've done the real work....
Who needs the internet when you have CB radio good buddy? Keep that Kojak with a Kodak away from you. 10-4. Time for a 10-100. This coffee is kickin’ in….
ah, copy that blueman. we'll be 10-10 'til we do it again.
I'm kind of kicking around the idea that the world irrevocably went to shit with the internet and human civilization peaked in the early 90s. While the knowledge sharing benefits of the internet are unassailable, what it has done--and will only continue to do with advances in technology--to destroy human social communion is immeasurable and possibly fatal. Just watch a half dozen ninth graders sitting around a table, all looking at their phones.
I'm going to be honest with you, I have no interest in watching ninth graders do anything. They're weird, they're mean, and their problems are boring.
kap, caveat: if they're your 9th graders they are a lot more interesting - for instance football, basketball, track, etc. and (hopefully) not mean.
Good dig, OP. Stating the obvious here, but you went apples-to-oranges a bit beyond the Utah posting. If this year's draft and all the seven-round ones before it had gone to 12 or 17 rounds you might've many more kicker-punter combos drafted from the same school. It's an unknown.
Looking at it another way (mine) there's been only one other instance of this in the past fifty years.
EDIT: I just saw XM's post and realized I took this too seriously. :)
It's true--but absolute pick is a good measure as a correction against a smaller league (which affects round) as well as other factors, and is true across years. For instance, pick 259 was the last pick in the 7th this year, but in 1975 was the penultimate pick of the 10th round.
Good point!
But only the 2nd time since the 7 round draft format was adopted in 1994!
I'd count 1975 Maryland too since both were taken in the top 259 (which is the total drafted this year)
Twice in the last 38 years is not that often. They also drafted every single person in college football in the '70s. Not to mention every college football team's roster was 150 people.
Let us not forget what started on TV at that time as well
The Odd Couple
McCloud
The Partridge Family
Mary Tyler Moore Show
Josie and the Pussycats
Flip Wilson
Monday Night Football
Happy Days
Laverne and Shirley
And you forgot
American Graffiti
MASH
Kelly's Heroes
As well as some of the best WWII movies and these 2.
