Hoke, “Red-Letter Games,” and Dave Brandon’s standard for UM Football

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After Saturday’s embarrassment in East Lansing, we’re all asking: Is this merely the inevitable rough patch for any coach digging out of the hole left by late-era Carr and Rodriguez? Or was the MSU game Hoke’s “turning point game,” as MGrowOld asked yesterday – a sign that under Hoke, a CEO-style coach with no reputation as an X’s and O’s innovator, Michigan is doomed to perpetual 8-4 mediocrity no matter how well he recruits?

I sure as hell don’t know the answers, but perhaps it might be useful to look at the criteria set forth by the man who’s paid big bucks to ultimately answer these questions: Dave Brandon. When he fired Rich Rodriguez, Brandon laid out his reasons for that decision, and what his expectations would be for the next Michigan coach. So let’s revisit his comments:

Brandon said Michigan’s coach

 

“has to be able to compete at the highest level. The expectations here are extraordinarily high … That puts a coach in a position where they have to have the ability to stand up to that pressure and perform against it. We play difficult schedules. The Big Ten is a challenging conference. It’s a smash-mouth conference with big teams … you saw how difficult it has been [under Rich Rodriguez] for us to go nose-to-nose with the big guys in this conference.

 

We have what I call the "benchmark competitors" as part of my review here at Michigan. It’s important that we win all our games; and it’s important that we are competitive for all of our games. But I look at Notre Dame, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Penn State, Ohio State, and any bowl opponents – as my coach [i.e., Bo] used to call those, "red-letter games." If you want to be successful at Michigan, you better win more than your share of those red-letter games. And those red-letter games over the last three seasons, we’ve been 3 and 15. And we have to have a coach who’s able to come in and put us in a position where we can compete with those programs, because they’re good.

 

Later at that press conference, Brandon said that “first and foremost,” winning the Big Ten Championship and going to the Rose Bowl “every year” is the goal of the Michigan football program. He said if you do that,

 

all kinds of good things are gonna happen nationally [...] If you defeat the people you need to do to do that – and I would say with the advent of Nebraska starting next year, the high bar has just been raised – if you can effectively win the Big Ten Championship and win that trip to the Rose Bowl, in my opinion, if you’re the coach you’re doing a great job, if you’re the fans you’re happy…”

 

Three years in, we’re still without a Big Ten Championship or Rose Bowl, and Michigan fans are … not happy. But let’s take a closer look at Michigan’s results in these “red-letter games” under Brady Hoke, and see things through Dave Brandon’s eyes. I’m including all the teams he mentioned above, and given his comment about Nebraska, it seems safe to add them to his list of “benchmark competitors”:

2011
Notre Dame (home) – W
Michigan St. (road) – L
Iowa (road) – L
Nebraska (home) – W
Ohio St. (home) – W
Virginia Tech (bowl – neutral site) – W
Total in “red-letter games”: 4-2

2012
Alabama (neutral) – L
Notre Dame (road) – L
Michigan St. (home) – W
Nebraska (road) – L
Iowa (home) – W
Ohio St. (road) – L
S. Carolina (bowl - neutral) – L
Total in “red-letter games”: 2-5

2013
Notre Dame (home) – W
Penn St. (road) – L
Michigan St. (road) – L
Nebraska (home) – TBD
Iowa (road) – TBD
Ohio St. (home) – TBD
Bowl – TBD
Total in “red-letter games”: 1-2, with four such games remaining

Brady Hoke in “red-letter” games to date:
Home: 6-0
Road: 0-7
Neutral site: 1-2
Total: 7-9

Of course lots of factors affect these results, from home vs. road, to luck, both good (Tressel’s resignation; the Glanda catch in the 2012 Sugar Bowl) and bad (scheduling Alabama; the non-call on Iowa’s end-zone pass interference in 2011; Denard’s boo-boo at Nebraska). But while 7-9 (with a chance to at least even things up before the end of year 3) is certainly better than Rodriguez’s 3-15, by any fair measure Brady Hoke has yet to win “more than his fair share of red-letter games” -- and the utter failure to win any of them on the road is really disturbing. The four such games left on this year’s schedule (assuming a bowl game) will tell us, and Dave Brandon, a lot. (Finishing year three at 11-9 w/a win over OSU looks a lot better than 7-13 or 8-12.)

Brandon also said his evaluation and decision to fire Rodriguez was based on six fundamental “performance measures”: “Performance in competition; recruiting and retention; academic performance; leadership; university image as it relates to our players; university image as it relates to our coaches.”

No one can complain about Hoke’s recruiting and retention, or the kids’ academic performance. He’s bringing in top-notch recruiting classes full of solid kids who are unlikely to flame out because of academics or character issues. Regarding “University image as it relates to players/ coaches” – presumably Brandon means things like how off-field incidents are handled, how Michigan players and coaches represent the program “in the community” etc. Again, no one can fault Hoke here – he’s disciplined guys the right way when they’ve made mistakes (e.g., Frank Clark, Fitz Toussaint), and sent packing the ones who couldn’t get their act together after multiple chances to shape up (Darryl Stonum, possibly Will Hagerup).

So if you’re Dave Brandon, Hoke is meeting a lot of his benchmarks quite well. Now your evaluation gets down to “performance in competition” and “leadership.”

Saturday was, to put it mildly, a significant data point in the negative column for Brady Hoke, and as shown above, his record so far in “red-letter games” is not anything you can describe as winning “more than his fair share.”

Finally, “leadership.” Brandon never explained this, but I assume he meant things like: Does this guy seem to have the program going in the right direction? Do the players respond to him? Does he inspire confidence? Does he make good personnel decisions re: his staff? Do his words match his actions?

One can’t read Brandon’s mind, but today we hear that after watching MSU film with the coaches on Sunday, Brandon says Hoke is still “the right guy” to lead the program.

When a head coach is under fire, you can only play the “this is my guy, and he’s the right guy” card once. Given Hoke’s recruiting success and the positive vibe he’s built around the program since 2011, there’s little doubt Brandon gives Hoke at least four years, and probably five – heck, maybe even his entire six-year contract – before definitively deciding whether he is the long-term answer as Michigan’s head coach. But judging by Dave Brandon’s own criteria, especially that of “red-letter games” against “benchmark competitors,” I’m far less confident than I was three months ago that Brady Hoke is the coach who will get Michigan back to the standard everyone (Brandon and Hoke included) expects.

Anyway, as we all sift through Saturday's wreckage and judge Coach Hoke's performance, it's useful to remember the criteria being used by the only guy whose opinion really matters -- his boss.

 

alum96

November 4th, 2013 at 9:33 PM ^

Hi Nova - good post.  I like these long ones (haha, been known to do that myself).  My larger takeaway thus far is Hoke beats most of the teams UM should, although not in convincing fashion and loses to the teams we "should".  I can count 2 victories over teams at the top or near the top of their games in 3 years - 2011 Nebraska and 2012 Northwestern. 

I will say 2* because I still dont know how we won the Sugar Bowl with 180 yards of offense.  VaTech was solid but I believe was destroyed by Clemson by 30 that year in the championship game so it wasn't a great team.  A solid team with speed that sort of shocked UM a bit.

In 2011 UM beat a good Nebraska team that ended up 9-4.  That Nebraska team was solid but nothing special, they lost by 30 to Wisconsin and 17 to South Carolina - but the best team Hoke beat IMO in 3 years. OSU's team was the worst OSU team in 2 decades, led by Fickell.  That's just being honest.  I know a win is a win, but in terms of beating above average teams I don't count it.   Notre Dame's 8-5 team was solid not great, Kelly just getting established. 

In 2012 the only victory of import was Northwestern's 10-3 squad. That took a last second miracle. MSU was not a very good team, with a bad QB and 1 man band at offense...and we barely beat em.  Again a win is a win - it wasnt a dominating win like MSU has had over us multiple times in the past 6 years.  And it was MSU's worse team in the past 4 years.   Iowa was 4-8 in 2012, it is not a win to be excited about.

In 2013 the best team we beat was a pretty fraudulent Notre Dame team that eeked by Navy last week.  The second best win I guess is Minnesota.  I do expect a win versus a likewise fraudulent Nebraska team that is now 1 dimensional without Martinez, and doesnt play defense.  Iowa is a real toss up, and OSU I expect to get a punch in the mouth from.

It is not a great resume of wins.  I guess the upside is RichRod might have lost a few of those games.  Hoke has yet to outcoach, outplan, outscheme, out whatever a team that UM "should not" beat.   I had more confidence in the 2012 season as the teams UM lost to were #1, #2, #3 and Nebraska without a QB in the 2nd half, along with going toe to toe with a solid South Carolina team.  All that is easily explainable and to justify.  What I am seeing this year with the struggles versus Akrons, UConns, PSUs is a lot more troubling.  2012's 8-5 is going to look a lot better to me on paper than 2013's 9-4 or 8-5 or whatever it ends up being. 

Go look at University of Central Florida - they played all these common opponents and destroyed UConn and Akron, and beat PSU in Happy Valley.  With less stars in their recroooots.  That's coaching.

skegemogpoint

November 4th, 2013 at 4:28 PM ^

Alabama doesn't fit the description you quoted above nor does anyone in their right mind blame Hoke for that loss.  7-8 with 4 to play this season (Neb, Iowa, o$u and Bowl).  My hope is Hoke will be no worse than 10-9 which would be a significant improvement over RichRod's 3-15, especially when you consider Hoke still doesn't have a full compliment of his own players.

alum96

November 4th, 2013 at 9:59 PM ^

Agreed.

 

I set the baseline for UM football at 3 annual losses.  That is generally where it has been for the better part of a few decades excluding some of the RR years, and 1997.   It's been a 3-4 loss program for a long time.  A "top end" coach should have UM at OSU's level of performance the past 20 years.  An decent coach should do 3-4 losses as top 15 classes year in and year out should make even an average coach who does not try something completely out of the box generate 3-4 losses a year, just from talent alone.   By this measure Hoke is tracking along at decent and getting UM back to Carr levels.  That's fine long term...but the competition has raised the game.  And every 5-6 years this program needs to field teams that are nationally relevant... my model is Oklahoma.  Great coach with Stoops, doesnt falter big time, doesnt always compete for national championship but a 3 loss season for Stoops is considered the basement.  We have all the resources Oklahoma has and more.  OSU is above us right now so I wont even use them as a model, at this point a 2 loss season at OSU is a failure by their fanbase. 

Since 2008 Stoops has been

11-3, 11-3, 12-2, 8-5, 12-2, 10-3, 10-3.  Before that he had bevy of 11 to 13 win seasons.   This should be what UM should have as a baseline not being above RR era teams.

I dont know if we could pry Stoops away (would take Stephen Ross vault) but I consider a coach like that at the very top of the next tier behind Urban and Saban.

bighouse22

November 4th, 2013 at 11:13 PM ^

If Hoke doesn't have a full compliment of his own players, then that means he is winning with RRs players!  On top of that, you can make the claim that the 5 or 6 best players (Gardiner, Lewan, Gallon, Ryan, Toussant, and Countess-who was a RR recruit as well) on the team are not any of Hoke's players.  That should really concern us all.  The record would be much worse without RRs players.

robmorren2

November 4th, 2013 at 4:28 PM ^

Being a "CEO" coach is fine, nut you have to find coordinators that are competent. I think Mattison is at least above average, possibly great -- B+ or A- sounds right. However, Borges is a C at best, and probably below average. Mattison gets a bump because of his recruiting prowess. Borges doesn't seem to be special in either facet. Recruits seem to always ramble on about Hoke, Mattison, Funk, etc ... but there isn't much Borges talk. If I'm a QB, I would question coming to Michigan after seeing Denard & Devin being misused and battered.

GoBlueInNYC

November 5th, 2013 at 6:55 AM ^

Well, I guess we simply disagree about the quality of the defensive backfeld. I'm happy with Countess, Gordon, Taylor, and Wilson, and see young talent in Stribling and Lewis, even if they aren't consistent enough yet.

I just find it funny how definitive people are willing to be about laying the blame on the players simply not being of high enough quality. I've seen the DBs, the OLine, and QBs all declared "not good players" in the past week or two, all in the context of some kind of "well, can't expect the coaches to do anything with that" statement.

alum96

November 5th, 2013 at 7:48 AM ^

Yes there is talent all over the roster.  You dont have full classes of 4 star talent all bomb together and/or be "misjudged".  Some portion (20-30%) might be but that leaves you with 70% of the recruits. People on this blog seem to think if they were not in 2013 or 2014s class these kids are average talents as if we had classes full of 2 stars who "cannot be coached".  It is the coaches jobs to improve players when they get here - not simply acquire them.  And I am not talking coordinators - the position coaches are where it all begins.

Reader71

November 5th, 2013 at 12:48 AM ^

Countess is playing at an All-B1G level just a year after having torn his ACL. Raymon Taylor has become a damn good corner. Thomas Gordon is the best all-around safety we've had in years. Guys, if you want to make this point, at least use a position group that is bad. Our defensive backs have been a strength. It sucks that pass plays really hurt your fragile psyches due to that second the ball is in the air and you really, really hope it goes M's way, but they are playing well, by and large.

alum96

November 5th, 2013 at 7:52 AM ^

It is?

Sometimes it is difficult to split the pass rush from the pass defense since they need each other but UM is 96th in the country in pass yards allowed.  And before you tell me its because we have a stellar run defense, there are certain teams in the state who have both a great pass defense and rush defense.  And UM has faced no gun slingers aside from Indiana and if you want to be generous Notre Dame.  Their other opponents have been Central, Akron, UConn, MSU, and a freshman QB at PSU (who will one day be a gun slinger).  

So take out Indiana and instead of 96th maybe it would be ranked 84th.  That is a stellar group?  Far from it -the individual pieces dont seem to be adding up to a cohesive group.

Eye of the Tiger

November 4th, 2013 at 4:31 PM ^

I really do--I share it. But the fact is that our roster is not 10 wins good right now, has not been since 2006, and our coaches are not getting them to overachieve like they did in 2011. Next year will likely be more of the same--this is the slow reality of rebuilding, especially when your staff is more focused on structural than schematic advantages.

That said, I am pretty confident that by 2015, once our roster is made up of the '11 (R-Sr), '12 (Sr/R-Jr), '13 (Jr/R-So), '14 (So/R-Fr) and '15 (Fr) classes, we will be set up for sustained 9+ wins/year success, as during the Carr/Moeller years. Some years we will be better than that.

Whether we are able to surpass that level and reach Alabama, Oregon or even Ohio (under Tressel/Meyer) levels on a consistent basis is another story. We'll see.

But if you take the long-view, better things are indeed on the horizon. That was not the case with Rodriguez, who was a great offensive playcaller but had really screwed the pooch on defense and left a recruiting tire fire.

 

PurpleStuff

November 4th, 2013 at 4:59 PM ^

This team would be awesome if the recruiting we've been hearing so much about was actually panning out.  USC has a RS freshman at LT (a 3-star, 260LB DE in high school), a true sophomore at LG, and 3rd year guys at the center and other guard spot.  Their line is a hell of a lot better than ours (backs over 5.5 ypc despite a noodle armed QB with no rush ability).  They've also recruited at least one running back in the last 2+ years who they trust to carry the ball (5 on the team in all have combined for 1,691 yards so far this year).  And they are on super restrictive probation.  And their coach just got fired.

If this team had two just-not-terrible OL starters from the 2012 (or 2011 class, or 2013), maybe a blue-chip RB, and a bit of extra pass rush (SC picked up a DT in their 2012 class with 13 career sacks now and a JUCO transfer DE who have combined for 30.5 sacks the last two seasons, our d-line has 9.5 all this year) they'd be a solid BCS bowl team.  Instead we talk about the bright future of guys who can't seem to contribute to a winning team and shield our eyes from the glare.

I mean I know that comparing a coach to Lane Kiffin is a pretty big measuring stick to meet, but frankly we haven't been doing it so far and more stars next to names in the future isn't giving me any additional confidence at this point.

Eye of the Tiger

November 4th, 2013 at 6:08 PM ^

It's not very good.

Besides, that USC runs better than we do isn't surprising. USC may have sanctions, but they have also pulled in classes with higher average stars than we have nearly every year since 2001, and recruited very well during the years when we recruited very poorly (2010/2011).

Plus our OL problems also stem from the fact that we had a system through 2007, then changed to a different one (and recruited different kinds of OL), then started changing back to the first one, yet didn't change all the way. We've undergone schematic transition twice in a period when USC has not undergone schematic transition once. 

Sure Kalis not panning out (yet) is a disappointment, but everywhere else shows a lack of depth and said lack of depth is caused by poor recruiting. 

PurpleStuff

November 4th, 2013 at 6:26 PM ^

Our staff got the guys they wanted and have had every opportunity to install the system they want with their guys from the 2012 class.  Those guys were never coached by anybody else in any other system.  USC brought in 4 OL in their 2012 class.  The two lowest rated guys are the ones in the starting lineup.  When they hand the ball to a running back, they average 5.5 ypc.  How happy would you be if we could do that?  And they do it with a QB who struggles to arm punt it downfield at times and can't run at all.  We brought in four heralded recruits in the 2012 class.  5-star Kalis got benched in favor of a two walk-on lineup.  4-star Magnuson is playing out of position at guard and has had his share of struggles.  4-star Blake Bars has not been seen.  Braden got a ton of spring hype and has similarly vanished.  And Chris Bryant, another 4-star bite at the apple, doesn't appear to be working out.

Youth isn't the problem.  Our guys not being as good as the guys other teams get (or guys we've had in the recent past like Long, Molk, Lewan, and Omameh who played well as young players) is the problem.  When that is the case, thumping our chest about recruiting rankings and looking forward to how awesome things will be down the road seems silly to me.

They could get things sorted out this year and guys might emerge down the stretch, but right now it looks like we're behind the 8-ball and the recruiting hype is just that.  The fact remains, 3-4 emerging young stars (two decent OL, second RB, maybe a pass rusher) would make this team damn near unbeatable.  They just aren't here.

 

Rage

November 4th, 2013 at 7:56 PM ^

Your very good points are my biggest fear.  I love Hoke and want him to go down in history as the next Bo, except with MNC.  I don't want him to be fired and I will absolutely support him until the end of 2015.  That is fair.  However, for being a line coach himself, it seems like our young O-line would be much better than they are.  After struggling against Akron and UConn I'm also beginning to wonder what's going on.  I realize there is a lot of youth on the team, but young players seem to be playing on other O-lines just fine.  Not only that, but ours doesn't seem to be getting any better as the season progresses.    

Without people jumping down my throat, what could it be besides coaching?  

PurpleStuff

November 4th, 2013 at 9:35 PM ^

It just stings because this team really is so close, and there looks to be a dip coming when Lewan, Schofield, Fitz, and Gallon leave, followed by Gardner a year later.  Gallon and Funchess are fantastic weapons.  Devin has all the ability in the world, especially when given time.  The defense is more than good enough to keep us in every game.  And the team should be in better shape if not for some missteps by both staffs and "The Process" (we should have BWC and Fisher on the o-line and Roh on d).

But 3-4 impact players in that 2012 class could have made this team into a juggernaut.  For all the hype, there isn't a Lewan in that class, or a Fisher for that matter.  There's no Leonard Williams (the USC DT with 13 career sacks from the same class).  There's no Clarett/Peterson/Williams/Bush in either of the last two classes to go with Gallon/Fitz/Funchess.

If those types of players were here this place would be a whole lot quieter.

Blue since birth

November 4th, 2013 at 7:59 PM ^

"USC has a RS freshman at LT (a 3-star, 260LB DE in high school), a true sophomore at LG, and 3rd year guys at the center and other guard spot..." This cherry picking is the best you could come up with?... And you still decided to build an argument around it? Hoke & co have their first real class in the middle of their second year and they're transitioning from a completely different system/style. That's not "clouding the issue"... It's stating the obvious.

PurpleStuff

November 4th, 2013 at 9:17 PM ^

People are talking about youth on the interior o-line (a spot that is really the only weakness on this team).  USC is just as young, and doesn't suck balls at trying to run the football.  Michigan was just as young in RR's third year and managed to post positive rushing stats in almost every game, I'm sure.

Hoke's first class is WAY BEHIND what Rich Rodriguez (who was changing systems as well) and Lane Kiffin (on probation and soon to be fired) did in similar spots.  If he had recruited in 2012 as well as Kiffin did at SC the same year (with 9 fewer spots to offer) or as well as Rodriguez did in his first full class, the o-line wouldn't be the disaster it is, and we might have one or two extra playmakers to compete for a championship.  Kiffin also landed a DT who has 13 sacks in his first two seasons and a JUCO DE with 17.5 (our entire line rotation this year has 9.5).  But we got Pee Wee and Wormley so we cool, dog!  And the guys who came in 2012 never switched systems.  They've had the same coaches the whole time, unlike Lewan, Molk, Omameh (good players) who had no problem adjusting and raking in 1st team all-conference honors playing for different staffs.

In RR's third year, guys he brought in rushed for nearly 2,900 yards.  A receiver he brought in led the team and was 3rd in the Big Ten.  The QBs he brought in threw for over 3,000 yards.  Lewan was a freshman All-American and Omameh a respectable starter.  This team has Devin Funchess.  And...we're talking about recruiting prowess.  Our touted linemen are not as good as the guys at SC and Stanford who are the same age.  What makes you think we will pass those guys as the players age at the same rate?  And they aren't as good as Lewan and Omameh were at the same age (and probably Schofield would have been if he'd gotten in as a RS freshman). 

Tressel won a title his 2nd year because the 5-star RB he brought in was awesome as a freshman.  Derrick Green is not Maurice Clarett.  Or Adrian Peterson.  Pete Carroll went to the Orange Bowl his 2nd year because Mike Williams was an absolute beast WR as a true freshman from his first full recruiting class.  The next year he brought in Bush and White at RB and won a national title. 

Where are those guys in Hoke's 2+ classes people keep raving about?  Do you need more examples or are you going to claim that this is still cherry picking?  Hoke (like any coach) should get five years, and DB should kick anybody in the balls who calls for him to be fired.  And he should support him to the max until the day he's no longer the coach here.  But acting like we're headed somewhere magical at this point because you'd rather believe recruiting rankings than on-field performance is just dumb or patient beyond belief.

Blue since birth

November 4th, 2013 at 9:54 PM ^

But it's just not worth it. Yes, you're still cherry picking. Now you're picking out star players from various teams who had early success? Or teams that have had success with arguably (I'd put this in italics for emphasis if I knew how to format) similar youth in various positions? This proves what? That youth doesn't matter? That's the epitome of cherry picking. You're throwing out random exceptions when an even moderately large sample size would demonstrate just the opposite. If I had the time/desire I'd look into dominant teams (or O-lines even) over the last decade or so to see how experience correlates to success... Wanna take a wild guess on how that'd look? I know where my money would be.

umchicago

November 4th, 2013 at 10:55 PM ^

of course it's better to have experience.  no one argues that.  but we lack experienced depth on the o-line.  so that's hoke's #1 objective when taking over.  and he has had great success in recruiting studs there in his first two years.  in fact, many were saying these may be the best back-to-back O-lines in the history of college football...that's ever!!!

yet, we can't find one or two of those guys to be consistently "competent" this year.  to me that comes down to one thing...coaching.  

Rage

November 4th, 2013 at 11:17 PM ^

Everyone talks about youth, but it seem like the talent we have, especially anchored by an All-American and future draft pick, would be enough to control the line of scrimmage against Akron and UConn.  I'm not saying they should be world beaters, but should manage the line against some of the worst teams in college football.   

Blue since birth

November 4th, 2013 at 11:20 PM ^

Our highly rated O-line classes haven't blown up in their first and second years on campus. It's definitely time to panic. Nevermind it's typically one of the last positions you ever want to play guys early and all that. The coaches clearly suck. Besides, if things look great a year or two down the road who's gonna remember all this negativity anyway?

PurpleStuff

November 4th, 2013 at 11:32 PM ^

Rich Rod put two solid starters on the line in year three, and may have been able to get by with three if Schofield had to play.  Hoke has failed to bring in and/or develop even one AT THE SAME POINT IN HIS TENURE.  How do you view this as a positive sign?  How does it get better next year when it looks like the even younger guys may win some of these jobs?  How many years more than his predecessor got do we have to sit through before we're allowed to have any expectations?

Blue since birth

November 4th, 2013 at 11:51 PM ^

I honestly don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore. Your last two posts (above and below this at the moment) are either way out in left field, or my ability to digest this stuff has reached it's limit. Coaches who had success early (below)? RRs 2010 team?... I've been avoiding the forum/comments since Saturday evening... I think that was a wise choice.

PurpleStuff

November 5th, 2013 at 12:22 AM ^

YOU: Give it time, we're recruiting well and things will get better when our good young players grow up.

ME: Actually we're doing a shitty job recruiting (at o-line specifically) when compared with any number of programs where the coaches were fired for their efforts (specific examples provided).  When looking at recruiting as a whole, we're also doing a shitty job bringing in the kind of top-tier talent that has an immediate impact (or certainly within three years) in turning teams from good to great, and that virtually every marquee coach in the country has benefitted from.

YOU: I don't understand.