As expected, Michigan will be the destination for the DIII transfer. Staskaus 2.0?
I am proud to announce that I'll be transferring to the University of Michigan. Proud to be a Wolverine! #GoBlue 〽️— Duncan Robinson (@D_Bo20) August 6, 2014
3 threads!! in first.
3 threads woo!!!
The record (before mod cleanup) still stands....
Well Coach Hoke keeps talking about competition and depth. I guess that makes me third string.
I get Beilein's record with underrated prospects, but he sure is taking a lot of them lately.
Well, when all of your underrated players turn into NBA early entries, you've gotta back fill with "diamonds in the rough" so that your top 50 recruits have someone to play with.
Morris, Trey, THJr, GRIII and Nik were all top 100 level guys. Duncan Robinson is an unrated DIII transfer with few D1 schollarship offers.
You surely aren't suggesting that Spike will be in the NBA because these other guys were?
Hardaway Jr was not.
none of them were at the time Coach B offered and they committed, IIRC. But maybe he means there were that talented even if not ranked there ...
sweet jesus... /s
And to respond directly, of course I don't expect Spike to be in the NBA, nice strawman leap there. That said, Spike has proven more effective than 100s of players ranked higher than he was over the last few years. Also, when I say an underrated guy ends up as an early entry, I'm mostly referring to Trey, Timmy, Nik, and Caris - who, based on their ratings at the time they committed (or overall) had no business being an NBA draft pick based on relative success of sub top 50 players.
Duncan Robinson is one of the best players in D-III basketball. He was arguably the best player on a team that played for the D-III National Championship as a freshman and an All-American in D-III last year. I would argue that the competition in Division III is better than most high school basketball especially considering what he accomplished as a freshman.
Emphasizing a point Brian made last year, is there any considerable difference between lightly recruited Spike Albrecht and McDonald's All American Tyler Lewis? Does their high school recruitment even matter anymore? I think the only data point that matters here for Robnson is his performance on the D-III level.
If the next 10 of them don't pan out, then he'll only be batting .300. In the meantime, he can take as many as he likes, as far as I'm concerned.
I guess I'd rather he take the underrated prospects than the overrated ones?
Well that's probably because you practice witchcraft.
it is great to develop underrated guys into solid contributors, but we still need a stud or two in every class to ballance the roster out. I realize we are in on a lot such guys in 2016, but until we land a few I will be a little concerned.
LOL. Seriously? Da faq man. Have you paid attention at all the last few years?
other than Beliein is God and Odoyle rules.
Look, no one is doubting Beleien's ability to find and develop lesser rated players, but no one, including you I imagine, wants a roster made up soley of guys like Spike, MAAR, Dawkins and Robinson.
I get what you're saying, but based on recruiting rankings, you might have said "but do you really want a line up of guys like Burke, Hardaway, Stauskas, LeVert and Morgan?" There were about zero impressive offers other than M among those guys, and you could include GRIII based on when he committed.
Quit overreacting. All I said was that he's taking a lot of underrated prospects.
You said recently, as if to imply he's doing something different than he did 4-5 years ago.
If you're going to get defensive when people call you out for a post that seems to be raising an eyebrow at John Belein and his track record, good luck to you.
The only people "calling me out" are those incapable of distinguishing between a top-100 prospect and a Division III transfer, not unlike yourself.
The question is if you can distinguish between a regular D-III transfer and this one and why this one shouldn't be seen as him taking a flyer on anyone
I get it. He's a good DIII player. That doesn't make it unreasonable to express slight skepticism about the number of players Michigan is taking lately with virtually no other major offers.
He may have been the best returning player in DIII this year--as only a sophomore. As I posted above, what do offers in high school matter anymore? The data point we should be working off is his performance last year in Division III.
Yes, and his scholarship offers after that freshman season were Michigan and Davidson. I'm not saying he won't be a good player for us. He may be a great player for us. I'm just saying that it's fair to raise an eyebrow.
I love Coach Beilein (as my avatar suggests). But I can't help but be a little skeptical of some of the recent commits. It's always nice when a guy is universally recognized as a major talent even if, at the end of the day, I trust Coach Beilein's take on things more than anyone else's.
Robinson has only been recruited for the last month or so. His head coach at Williams left for Marist in the middle of June. He probably didn't put feelers out to transfer until July. It's quite possible more schools would have gotten involved if his recruitment was longer (remember Creighton called about him but he never even ended up visiting), and how do we know for certain more schools didn't call? Add in the fact the kid is high level student and may have been looking at only good academic schools, and you have a pretty unique recruitment that you can't compare easily to other transfer situations.
Cosigned. It's hard for me to do more than cock an eyebrow, given recent history, but it does seem like we should be landing more top level recruits at this point.
he's a not Top 100 recruit? No one in this thread.
Beilein poops gold, that is all.
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and not question the guy who has a 3-year (and counting) banner raising streak.
My coworkers think I'm crazy thanks to this
This needs to be the next thing on mgo! Incredible
Welcome to Michigan Duncan!
Do he gots to sits outs for a year?
You don't have to sit if you go to a lower division, but you do if you go to a higher division.
He was comparing the kid to Klay Thompson this morning after having talked with some sort of scouting-type person about him. He also said that he thinks Robinson is a better prospect than Jalen Coleman or Eric Davis, both of whom he believed Michigan would be done with if Robinson committed.
Sam generally knows more about football, and he's not a scout, but I thought the above was interesting.
P.J. Dozier or bust then?
he said that Robinson was a better shooting prospect than Davis and Coleman. Which of course, is a good thing, but there will certainly be questions about Robinson's ability to play D, etc.
I just re-listened to it. He said Robinson is the best "shooting/scoring option" of the bunch. Thanks for the correction.
Well we did have a bunch of highly recruited guys like McGary, Robinson, and Irvin. However, I trust Beilein with this that Robinson will be able to excel at the D1 level from D3.
I was about to say he sounds like he should be playing for the Spurs.
So you combine Tim Duncan and Glenn Robinson and you get a white guy who shoots threes and is not a large mammal... Who woulda thought....?
Welcome! Looking forward to you terrorizing future Sparties with that sweet jump shot!
But that doesn't mean DR won't be a nice player. He can shoot and get to the cup he just can't finish strong like Stauskas can.
I like the pickup. I think he can be a very effective offensive weapon in JB's system, though I do worry about his defensive abilities. He has a pretty quick release and seems to move well without the ball, so I think offensively he should be solid at this level. Congratulations to Duncan! Looking forward to watching him for the next three years.
Even if he's "just a shooter" and is a guy off the bench, that's a guy worth having around. And he's tall. And he's already played a year in a Beilein-influenced offense under one of Beilein's old assistants. And he'll have a year in a S&C program that has produced some pretty good results so far before he gets on the court.
I'm not seeing a ton of downside here. I mean, people freaked out over using a scholarship on Spike at the time and he's been a contributor to the team the last two years. Plus, unless this kid completely blows up (a good problem to have) we're going to have a 6'8"+ 3-bomber when he's 23, 24 years old because he took a prep year and is now redshirting due to the transfer.
Dumars' firing from the Pistons started the domino effect leading to Robinson's head coach at Williams leaving for another job.
This kind of scholly offer is unprecedented--
previous D III guys to transfer were walk-ons with programs (GW and current-era Maryland) not as sucessful as UM.
That being said I am a big fan of this pick-up and I think 45% three point shooters who are 6'8'' are good to have around.
duncan robinson is the most 'basketball' name of all time
take that gordon hayward!
Beilein & co. still working that magic! I just don't see how we could fall off again with these coaches and this system.
5* recruit's hype is fun, but its much more fun to see a nobody blow up and have sparty cry that all beilein's nobody-recruits blow up and their 5* recruits dont develop. well, it was fun when sparty got 5* recruites, anyway.
Even if he's the best player in D3 it's a huge gap to the top of college basketball. Look at what we did to Concordia last year who's better than any D3 school. I trust Beilein but it's alright to be skeptical.
we seem to be having trouble landing the big fish or getting them to commit early. We don't want to become the place the top stars don't go to and is the home of overlooked players only. On the other hand, I kind of like the fact that Beilein doesn't sit around waiting on top stars to make up their minds. If you want to come here, you better pull the trigger when you get the chance.
than football. Basketball, you recruit players from 8th/9th grade so it takes 3 years for it to really make a good impression with their play on the court. Michigan made the national championship game 2 years ago and the first year that it will take effect on the recruits is 2016 class which is loaded with stars. Michigan are in a lot of 2016 stars like Thornton, Battle, etc.
Expecting 2014 and 2015 class to pay immediate dividends based on recent play won't happen because the impression has already been made a couple years prior.
recruit 8th graders? Are you saying that 8th and 9th graders have their minds made up about schools that they will or will not attend? That they won't be swayed even after heavy recruiting, seeing what UM has done the past few years, visiting campus, meeting current players, etc. Kids in the 2015 class should be well aware of UM by now.
that coaches has been on them the longest that it's hard for them to pick up new teams this late in the process when they're JR and SR. 4 years ago, class of 2014 and 2015 has already has their top 5 schools and Michigan wasn't nationally prominent.
It's 2016 that Michigan should really make noise. I have talked to a few D1 college coaches. They said it's much easier to recruit young kids from 8th/9th grade when they're about to form their own opinion of how good of a school they are. They spend time building relationships that it's nearly impossible to get 4* and 5* recruits especially 5* where they have blue blood programs going after them.
"He was comparing the kid to Klay Thompson this morning after having talked with some sort of scouting-type person about him. He also said that he thinks Robinson is a better prospect than Jalen Coleman or Eric Davis, both of whom he believed Michigan would be done with if Robinson committed. "
LOL Sam Webb is a clow. Robinson is 20 years old and is not a "better prospect" than Coleman or Davis. He will be a 22 year old sophomore (24 year old senior) and I could see him being Josh Shurna but Stauskas? Please.
"He's like Klay Thompson but a better shooter"