Hardaway Jr. commits to Michigan
http://michigan.scout.com/2/875826.html
Hardaway had a great camp performance this past weekend and he finally got his offer and pulled the trigger. If we land Zeigler, the class should be good to go.
prather or zeigler would be good.
this probably means we have room for only one of them. is hardaway more of a sg or sf/wing? also, is anyone else at least a little bothered by the fact that a rich kid gets a scholarship that could help a poor one?
also, is anyone else at least a little bothered by the fact that a rich kid gets a scholarship that could help a poor one?
Are you familiar with college athletics? Where was your outrage with Tate Forcier?
Hundreds of thousands of college students are on merit-based scholarships that don't consider their financial background.
If we didn't give it someone else certainly would have. That's what Jim Calhoun should have said as well, fwiw.
While we're on the subject, are the Forcier's loaded? Anyone know what the family does? Please don't do any Facebook stalking to find out - I was just curious. I do seem to remember Tate paying to take lots of unoffical visits. Plus his teeth are so shiny.
I'm not sure, but paying for extensive tutelage with Marv Marinovich for three kids doesn't strike me as "cheap".
True, but if it made it possible to not pay college tuition plus room and board for three kids, I bet they came out ahead. After the oldest got a scholarship, it was like playing with house money.
Athletic scholarships are not need based. That's definitely not taken into account. At all.
also, is anyone else at least a little bothered by the fact that a rich kid gets a scholarship that could help a poor one?
Are you fucking stupid?
Yes. Yes, he is.
I agree with your sentiment Terminate Carr, however that mighta been a little over the top. Either way, a person's financial standing is irrelevant. Would you have said the same thing if Jordan's son had worked his way up from a walk on to a scholarship player, citing that it could be used for a person from lesser financial freedom? (Ironically enough he quit basketball to pursue his academics)
There's more money in running Dad's business than playing in the NBA.
You're echoing my sentiments...simply amazing.
I thought he was kidding. Or hoping because that was one of the dumbest things I have read in a while.
"rich kid gets a scholarship that could help a poor one?"
i think you should be more worried about our scholarships being given to the best players.
also, is anyone else at least a little bothered by the fact that a rich kid gets a scholarship that could help a poor one?No.* *aside from those who want to do away with college athletics
Athletic scholarships are need based on the part of the university. As in, "We need a shooting guard."
I LOL'd.
I am astounded by the utter stupidity expressed in your comment. These scholarships are not need-based.
Great shooter with length who should fit perfectly in Beilein's system.
Let's land Zeigler or Prather now
Prather would be awesome to have, but I'd prefer Zeigler if for no other reason than Prather isn't a risk to end up at MSU if we don't get him.
We haven't been able to to screw MSU over with recruits in Michigan recently. Was Manny Harris considering MSU too?
I think Manny was pretty much always leaning our way, and Izzo gave up trying to get him pretty early. Same for Sims. It's been awhile since we've won a real battle for a recruit with them.
Your post has made my lunch hour.
Scouts Inc. currently rate Tim Hardaway Jr. as a 93, meaning that they view him as a immediate impact prospect that rare ability to start as a freshman for a national, top-25 team.
Hopefully he doesn't hate gay people like dad. Otherwise, Ann Arbor might not be the best place for him.
ZING!
Funny post to accompany this great news - Nice!!
Wasn't Penny the homophobe?
No, it was Tim.
T'was Timmaaaaayy
But it's not really true. Do you realize how ecstatic the college republicans would be to pick up a minority member?
There are also some strong religious groups on campus and while they're not vocal I'm sure they hate gays with the best of them.
Speaking of that matter, doesn't anyone find it odd that Michigan has a good poli sci program and is liberal, but the most successful politicians it's produced are all conservative?
I have a very tough time considering Gerald Ford conservative.
A *very* tough time? I'm sure you can cherry pick many politicians he's less conservative than, but the fact is he identified with the Republican party most of his life. I'm certainly not going to call him liberal, which is what you would call U of M.
awesome fab five photo
I love how he worked hard to earn an offer and committed right after he got it. It's nice to be a kid's first choice and know that he really wants to be part of the program.
Beilien can't recruit top talent this must be an error. 2 guys in the ESPN Top 100 is bad news. I thought we wanted to be Butler not North Carolina????
If it's not Penny's kid, I don't care.
Defly done Tim. This kid worked his butt off to get this scholly. Good news on a crappy day here at work.
This is great news. M bball is looking better and better. All hail Beilien.
If Hardaway is a top 100 talent who helps legitimize Beilien as a closer with top talent, why did he have to work so hard to receive a scholarship offer from UoM?
ESPN was the only service that sees him as a top-100 talent. Scout and Rivals aren't as enthusiastic. We were, essentially competing for his services with Kansas St. and Minnesota. Which is much better than where we were 2 years ago - stealing kids from Valpo.
UM is in a bit of a scholarship pinch the next few years and are still in on three guys rated even higher than Hardaway (Ziegler, Prather, and (maybe) McCallum) so Beilein had to be really sure he liked Hardaway because it meant limiting space for the other guys.
McCallum is a pipe-dream and Prather/Ziegler are mutually exclusive (they play the same position, we wouldn't take both). So this is, first, insurance in the case we whiff on Ziegler and Prather, and still a solid player with good skills that Beilein covets (namely - shooting ability, he's supposed to be a better shooter than either Zeigler or Prather).
I don't think he will end up being ranked as a top-100 talent by the final rankings. The reviews from the Michigan camp explained that he was a good shooter with GREAT form, but he still has a lot of work to do on getting to the rim. Another problem, which was reported at the camp and shown by his early difficulties, is that he is an inconsistent shooter. He has the potential to hit 5 in a row but also to miss 5 in a row. Hopefully with hard work and a little more coaching he can blossom into the player Beilien obviously believes that he can become, however, for him to be ranked so highly I would expect him to almost be a "can't miss" type player, and sadly I personally do not see him as that, at least not yet anyway.
consistent....NO. I would have to say the last one was Glen Rice. What makes you expect him to be a "can't miss" type player? His dad being a former NBAer. How did that work out for MJ? The bottom line is that in camp when a teammate, Darius Morris, went down he stepped up his game big time.
Michigan had one outside player last year that could get to the rim....Manny. Morris will be an upgrade at the point and can get the rim. If they land either Z or Prather they have another guy that can take it to the rack.
The rankings that are being thrown around. The players that we had ranked in the top 100's IIRC were Manny and Deshawn currently and I know Deshawn started a little slow but he has developed into a very good player which is what Manny was from day one. I simply do not think Hardaway will be an elite player or even a solid contributor from day one like the 2 current stars. What I was trying to say is that I think he is overrated by the recruiting sites partially because of who his father is and flashes of potential. I do not think he is at the level that his rankings suggest he is.
that Beilein deems offerable (which has obviously been pretty slim pickings so far). That's good enough for me. He may not (and probably won't) be an impact player from day 1, but I'm excited to see what Beilein can do w/ him. He should be a pretty solid player in two or three years.
I'd argue that the NCAA has very few "consistent" outside shooters.
Also: I don't think that Beilien wants a system where its one slasher and 4 shooters. It's what we had last year, and he made it work, but I think he wants multi-faceted players who can shoot VERY well (Duh) and can also create something by going to the basket and finishing or dishing out. I don't know if you remember watching some of our games, but when Manny got shut down driving our offense stalled, not simply because he wasn't getting layups, but because that prevented the shooters from getting wide open (ie. the Orlando Magic effect). I don't think Darius Morris being able to go to the rim eliminates the need for others to be able to. While I see your point that we can land Zeigler or Prather, we have not yet. And given our limited number of scholarships, I was very surprised they offered Hardaway, unless of course within the coaching staff they are confident they can land one of the 2 aforementioned guys, in which case ignore everything I just said.
So when can Tim sign his offer letter?
Also what is time table for a decision from Trey Zeigler or Casey Prather?