Harbaugh comments on the 4 players who skipped the Peach Bowl

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on August 5th, 2019 at 6:37 PM

From Pardon My Take

“I think it hurts somebody’s actual legacy, too, just what they’re about,” Harbaugh said. "A competitor is going to compete. They’re going to go out there and compete. Everybody talks about it. They’re a competitor, I’m a competitor, ‘I’ll compete at everything. I’ll compete at golf or I’ll compete at Tiddlywinks.’ You hear people say that all the time, but then they don’t go actually play in a football game. To me, now you have a problem with who you are as a competitor and your legacy.

“I’m not demeaning anybody or saying I don’t respect anybody. Everybody’s got the right to make their own decision. You asked me what I think of it; that’s what I think of it.”

4godkingandwol…

August 5th, 2019 at 7:47 PM ^

The whole interview is actually pretty good. Recommend it to everybody. 

My take on what he said is that he doesn’t like it, wouldn’t do it himself, but understands people have to make their own decisions. To me this is a much more sensible take then what we get on this board. 

MichiganStan

August 5th, 2019 at 7:55 PM ^

Harbaughs public opinions have just a little more impact in the real world than posters opinions do on this board. Harbaugh being the head coach should probably try to bite his tongue a bit more about controversial topics even if his stance on the issue is sensible

Talk like this could hypothetically be used against him as an anti-player statement.

rice4114

August 5th, 2019 at 8:42 PM ^

I feel the same way when someone here says the bowl games are meaningless. Its like Ricky Fucking Bobby stopped being a joke and became a life coach. 

Khaleke The Freak

August 5th, 2019 at 8:48 PM ^

Terrible title, the comments are about any player who skips a bowl game, he didn’t single out anybody specifically...

harbaughsoldier

August 5th, 2019 at 8:59 PM ^

Bush and Gary got paid millions so it was a smart move sitting out. Harbaugh should be thankful these 2 guys came to Michigan in first place and become top NFL Draft picks as it lays track for more guys to follow that path - 5*s are looking for this path.  Harbaugh making mistake by telling truth on this as it turns off the next super talent looking at Michigan. If Harbaugh got his team in the playoffs or in a Rose Bowl/big time bowl game, guys would not be sitting out.  

Harbaugh gotta be careful here as he's been talking a lot this preseason.

Maize and Blue AF

August 5th, 2019 at 9:07 PM ^

Of course Harbaugh feels this way.  He is the ultimate competitor.  Also, love the fact that he tossed tiddlywinks in there (totally underrated game imo).  He wasn't disparaging anyone's decision; he was simply stating the implications of it.  Nobody can hold a player's decision to save their body for future monetary gains against them.  At the same time, players who choose to sit out their last game have to realize that it is the last thing they will be remembered doing whilst donning the maize and blue...  If that doesn't factor into a player's legacy, then I need a refresher on what constitutes a legacy.  I will remember every Michigan player fondly, but players like Chase Winovich will always hold a special place in my heart, because they played til the last whistle.

tigerd

August 5th, 2019 at 9:17 PM ^

Something tells me that If Jim had known how it was going to play out, Chase Winovich would have been one of the team captains versus one of the bowl sitters. Totally their decision to sit, but again if you are going to do something like that don't take on the role of being a captain or leader , watching your team mates going out and laying everything on the line for their university as you sit on the sidelines dreaming about your next stop.

West Coast Struttin

August 5th, 2019 at 10:57 PM ^

Spot on by JH. Guys that sit, there legacy is tarnished after that. 

Fulfill your obligations to the school that gave you a sports scholarship as well.

Not one Osu player sat. 

butuka21

August 5th, 2019 at 11:20 PM ^

I believe Bush was hurt, as far as Gary I believe that was expected, and I really didn’t understand Higdon sitting out although I don’t think it really mattered.  As soon as they lost the real game it didn’t matter who they played in the bowl game as it didn’t mean anything to them apparently by watching their play in that game. I agree with harbaugh but it’s just different times unless you are in a playoff game these kids are being told to sit out I would assume by third parties and watching every one else do it

crg

August 6th, 2019 at 9:29 AM ^

The "different times" argument that people make is such a nebulous/vague and trite claim that is completely hollow.  Are the fundamentals really that different from 10 years ago?  20 years ago - even 30?  You still have young men playing a game they love while risking injury, many with lucrative NFL careers possible, many from hard socioeconomic backgrounds, and all done in college venues where they are supposed to be taking classes and the universities make money off the games.  And yet - the kids played their games, including those that went pro.

The monetary amounts and publicity may have change, but the fundamental issues (good and bad) are all the same.

b618

August 6th, 2019 at 1:12 AM ^

Players, out their own self interests, can decide not to play in bowl games.  Coaches, fans like me (who care about bowl games), and players who want to win their bowl games -- out of their own self interests -- can prefer that players play in bowl games.

Both sides of that coin are allowed.

However, since all coaches prefer their players to play in bowl games, Harbaugh's answer to the question is about as surprising as answering "To me, it's blue" to the question "In your opinion, what color is the sky?"

michymich

August 6th, 2019 at 1:15 AM ^

Yes. I am speaking as a fan now but I can put myself in the shoes of another. I was a big Higdon fan. He gave everything. I understand that he is looking out for the financial interests of his family including daughter. I get it. I get it.

 

That being said, it bothers me that a kid would start the season and then not finish for individual reasons such as money, etc. I am on the record saying I don't want the kid to play. Finish what you started. If you can't make that commitment then work out elsewhere. All or nothing. No hard feelings if you leave after your sophomore or junior year. In fact, I can't stand one and done.

Maybe I am an old man who yells at people to get off his lawn but you are going to have a hard time convincing me that this new 'mindset' is ethical or appropriate. It's wrong, plain and simple.

bronxblue

August 6th, 2019 at 12:00 PM ^

You spend a lot of time in that first paragraph saying you get it, then immediately dismiss any reasons for Higdon's decision because you feel differently.  You can't have it both ways.

Be the guy who stands on the lawn and yells at people.  But the fact you wanted to preface everything with the "I'm not trying to be mean but..." line means you sorta recognize it is not fair for the players and the criticism does come across as misguided.

 

michymich

August 6th, 2019 at 1:56 AM ^

So let me see if I understand this logic. Some people are saying that these kids are exploited whereas management makes a lot of money hence they should look out for their interests.

 

Hmmm. Do coaches get to leave jobs mid year for x,y &z reason and if they do....they get heavily criticized. I don't like it when coaches do it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

JDeanAuthor

August 6th, 2019 at 9:23 AM ^

They have the right to not play. But they don't have the right to not be criticized for it.  

You don't get to make everybody else agree with you just because you take a particular stand on things.  You want to say "I believe X is right and true," that's fine, but other people have just as much a right to say "I do not believe X is right and true."  If you make a stand, expect somebody else to take a different stand, and live with it.

bronxblue

August 6th, 2019 at 11:58 AM ^

I don't think players particularly care how they're perceived.  Harbaugh is the one in this clip saying one thing, seemingly realizing mid-sentence it sounds a little misguided, then tries to walk it back.  

It's always coaches, who are affected by players not playing, who complain about it.  And the reason they do is because their record is affected by wins and losses, not the players.  So if anything, it's the coaches and other adults running the ship who stand to gain or lose the most here, and so of course they're biased to complain about it.  

username03

August 6th, 2019 at 9:55 AM ^

The people who run college football, the adults if you will, decided to turn it into a business. I don't know why people are so dismayed some of the kids decided to follow their example.

93Grad

August 6th, 2019 at 10:37 AM ^

The skipping the bowl game trend could become a huge problem if the don't find a way to significantly address player compensation.  To me it seems that letting players profit off their own likeness is the perfect solution.  It might even help keep players in the bowl if there are marketing tie ins, etc.  It sucks that we even have to talk about such things, but the "good ol days" of the bowls being hugely important are long gone.

Ali G Bomaye

August 6th, 2019 at 11:02 AM ^

I think Harbaugh is right, but I also think it's completely justified for projected draft picks to skip a meaningless bowl game. Yes, it probably has some impact on their "legacy," but it's also difficult to demand that a 22-year-old risk millions of dollars just for the sake of intangible "legacy."

bronxblue

August 6th, 2019 at 11:54 AM ^

I'm unsurprised Harbaugh would feel this way.  I don't agree with him here because he's getting paid millions of dollars to coach in that game and his players aren't. I will say, I sort of wish he hadn't tried to step back with the "I'm not demeaning anyone" line.  The fact he seemed to pussy-foot around his actual feelings reads, at least to me, that he knows it's hypocritical but doesn't care enough to actually reconsider his position; it's the classic "sorry I offended you" line of bullshit people trot out.

1918SATC

August 6th, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

After that mess in Cbus last November the bowl game had very little appeal to many fans as well.   Pretty hard to go on after that one.

 

Go for two

August 6th, 2019 at 5:12 PM ^

Higdon hurt himself in the draft by not playing. He ended up as an undrafted free agent after the Senior Bowl. If you ask him now, I would bet he regrets not playing