Great article on how MSU started the ugliness
Mods please delete if this has been posted. I hope I got the link to work. Anyways I thought this was a great take on how MSU started most of the hate or bad bad blood in the rivalry and it started with the Ahole Mark D. I found it to be great that there are facts that bring this to light that not both sides created this mess and it was mainly the MSU side.
https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/tuesday-thoughts-jim-harbaugh-finally-knows-what-we-knew-about-michigan-state-finebaum-calls-msu-response-garbage/
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:27 PM ^
Thought I did it right anyone who can help would be much appreciated.
November 3rd, 2022 at 3:16 PM ^
Thanks for posting. The whole thing, by Chris Balls, is worth reading, but here are a few of the points he made about Dantonio
• Asked for a “moment of silence” after Michigan lost to Appalachian State
* Made fun of Mike Hart’s height (which I believe is the worst, not for any harm but because a university employee belittled a student)
• Lined his team up to face Michigan's team before the National Anthem, an apparent intimidation tactic
• His players twisted Robinson’s helmet with apparent intent to injure, and his defensive coordinator bragged they played with “60 minutes of unnecessary roughness.”
I'm calling him "Madtonio" now.
November 3rd, 2022 at 3:27 PM ^
Change "apparent" to obvious and I agree 100%
November 3rd, 2022 at 4:17 PM ^
Annoys me Media coverage always brings up Hart's comments as a student athlete and skip over Morks trash talk as an employee of MSU
November 3rd, 2022 at 6:12 PM ^
And as Madtonio as older and presumably more mature.
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:29 PM ^
The little chain.. is a link.. for a hyperlink.
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:30 PM ^
Lol. Only makes sense. Thanks I will remember for next time if I post.
November 3rd, 2022 at 3:03 PM ^
“If”… lol - go for it. We all make mistakes
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:48 PM ^
Not a knock on the OP but how is it that literally just about every single person that creates a post on the message board doesn't know how to link or embed anything at all, ever?
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:56 PM ^
As someone who works in healthcare IT support for a very large health system, you'd be surprised what people do and do not know about the technology they use regularly. After working this job for almost 10 years, I've learned to check my judgements of such things at the door.
November 3rd, 2022 at 2:08 PM ^
Speaking from my own experience, having to spend time sitting down with a medical doctor at their computer to show them how to save an email attachment will do that
I once had a client who emailed a set of x-rays via encrypted email, and the clinic which received it couldn't figure out how to decrypt the email, so they subjected the patient to another round of x-rays at their clinic.
tl;dr - the struggle is real
November 3rd, 2022 at 2:18 PM ^
For what it's worth, as a medical doctor tasked with navigating approximately one billion different systems (EMR, radiology programs, billing, two emails, single sign on systems, statewide records, DEA/licensing programs, restricted prescribing confirmation systems, insurance systems, etc...), on top of patient care and research, the struggle is indeed real. I'd never expose a patient to something they didn't need because of those challenges but when I ask for help, I really appreciate the IT folks who don't act like Nick Burns. Keep fighting the good fight out there.
November 3rd, 2022 at 9:16 PM ^
2018 - Dear IT Guy my computer sucks, take a look/see.
2019 - Dear IT Guy my computer sucks, take a look/see.
2020 - Dear IT Guy my computer sucks, take a look/see.
2021 - Dear IT Guy my computer sucks, take a look/see.
2022 - IT Guy finally taking a look/see: "Jim, [laughing nerdily] you only have 4 Gig of memory"
Upgrade on the way.
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:59 PM ^
I'll answer your question with another question - how is it that in 2022 there's a forum that does not allow editing of the OP?
November 3rd, 2022 at 2:34 PM ^
It's a checkbox. I have it unchecked because it was a security gap.
November 3rd, 2022 at 2:37 PM ^
Also, while I like to make fun of it, it’s annoying to respond to something that is later so heavily edited, your response doesn’t make sense anymore.
November 3rd, 2022 at 11:20 PM ^
I just want to clear my gif files, but it always says "in use by another application," so I can't delete the files.
I've got so much new omg shirtless stuff for you people to ogle.
November 3rd, 2022 at 1:07 PM ^
Many of us are old or even older and behave badly in the Big House to our fellow fans.
November 3rd, 2022 at 1:31 PM ^
indeed, a certain beloved simian friend of ours has been known to engage in tomfoolery....
November 3rd, 2022 at 1:57 PM ^
Simian hooliganism at its best.
November 3rd, 2022 at 3:05 PM ^
I am guessing there is high correlation between those complaining about people standing in Section 24 and low computer literacy.
November 3rd, 2022 at 1:08 PM ^
Embed will not work for me if I create a topic. If I get the embed Info of a tweet, click the media embed, and click save, it just spins. Sometimes I get a cloud flare error. That's on a computer. Also can't upload a picture from my iPhone 90% of the time. Says it only accepts .jpg .gif even though I'm attempting to upload a .jpg file. Keeps me from even trying to use media in posts.
November 3rd, 2022 at 2:47 PM ^
For a long time, I didn't know how to link. Then someone—wish I could remember who that helpful person was—posted the procedure in a comment, and then I knew!
Ever since, when someone shows the link but doesn't use the link (paper clip-looking) icon to make it a link, I mention the procedure.
(The link icon looks like a paper clip, which another helpful soul pointed out this summer, so thanks to that other helpful person too.)
November 3rd, 2022 at 3:23 PM ^
It's actually two links of a chain, connected together. (The one to its direct, disabled by default, breaks a link and makes it text instead -- hence the image is a broken chain). It may look like a paper clip, but once you see the chain, I suspect you can't unsee it. :)
Paper clips are typically used for attachments rather than for links, FWIW.
November 3rd, 2022 at 7:27 PM ^
I'm not that tech savvy (I use it a lot but have little interest in getting better at it or expanding my knowledge beyond need to know) and this site really isn't that intuitive to use. I still don't know how to embed a video or a GIF. And when I do embed a photo, sometimes it doesn't fit the format and then what? I find a different photo. But like I said, it's not so important to me that I spend a ton of time learning how to do it.
November 3rd, 2022 at 7:27 PM ^
And to prove my point, I double posted.
November 3rd, 2022 at 1:27 PM ^
WOW!!!! This article is definitely worth saving!!!! Thx to the OP for the link and J.Redux for sharing the link.
November 3rd, 2022 at 7:13 PM ^
Just a video for those that keep bringing up the altercation at half time against Penn State and ask why Michigan didn't take measures. This is after Michigan beat Penn State a couple weeks ago.
November 3rd, 2022 at 7:59 PM ^
For civilized people this is normal.....
November 3rd, 2022 at 8:01 PM ^
So Frames was deflecting criticism of he and overmatched staff...
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:29 PM ^
EDIT: Since mine was late, have some puppies...
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:36 PM ^
Man, I hope wherever that is it's fully fenced. Good luck getting them corralled again...
November 3rd, 2022 at 1:07 PM ^
MGoBeagles!!!
November 3rd, 2022 at 3:15 PM ^
Release the hounds!
November 4th, 2022 at 12:39 AM ^
I still can’t count them as much as I try.
November 4th, 2022 at 10:02 AM ^
about 107
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:37 PM ^
The strength of the article is the detailing of some of the history.
Sometimes the "everyone needs to be better" articles are just the lazy journalistic equivalent of the "double foul," when it's obvious that one player committed a penalty, and the other was really just there.
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:40 PM ^
Also, this is the first place that I read of the conflict of interest that the B1G Commissioner's son is a Staee TE. He needs to recuse himself, and from among equally valid options, the penalty needs to lean to the side of severity in order to make the impartiality plain.
If that were my kid, and I were the commish, my kid would have announced his transfer out of the B1G the next morning.
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:39 PM ^
Glad that MSU's culture problems are being exposed. This Michigan rage they've been fueled on since the little brother comments is toxic and their behavior is finally seen nationally. Michigan's main issues seem to be 1) disrespecting them and 2) I guess that time Lewan grabbed poor Will Gholston's helmet. This is one sided toxicity and I am glad MSU is being roasted for it
November 3rd, 2022 at 12:55 PM ^
To be clear the "Little brother" comment came after the "moment of silence" by Dantonio to start the year - and sure there have been issue on both sides since - but to my (biased) eyes most of the M incidents were pretty silly/lame and not truly born of hatred - i.e. the "go Blue" skywriter - (thanks Dave!) the "stake in the field" etc.
To the initial post -- the crazies on the MSU side will never believe that the D. Bush incident was anything but a master-planned motivational and PR ploy orchestrated by Harbaugh. I personally believe that the timing (and the helmets) of the MSU field-walk was a calculated power move by Dantonio -- and I have as much proof as they do. (= none) Could the M players have avoided and/or not escalated the conflict? Yes - but M was supposed to have access rights to the field during that time-period so they were within their rights to refuse to move.
November 3rd, 2022 at 1:05 PM ^
MSU got a $10K fine after the stormtrooper march in 2018. Definitely a large chunk of the MSU fan base loved not only beating us on the field but the personal beatings along with "it'll never be over!" - Hart has since said he regretted ever saying the LB comment.
MD left with a huge bonus thanks to 8-2 run from 2008-2017 (but 6 of those were from the two worst coaches in UM FB history). JH is 3-2 since the monsoon loss, and I've stricken the COVID year from my memory.
Personally, even though he looks crazy on the sideline, I think Mel is a decent guy who doesn't condone this post game attack (unlike MD who would be smirking in his post game conference).
This rivalry is likely to return to the Bo/Mo vs. Perles era where we win 2 of 3 (which matches the series history win percentage). The real key is how/when Mel is able to stop the kind of rage that happened in the tunnel.
November 3rd, 2022 at 4:23 PM ^
I'm still willing to get Tuck the benefit of the doubt, and assume he's a decent person.
MD is 100% a piece of shit
November 3rd, 2022 at 8:55 PM ^
Agreed, deeantonyo is a thin skinned bitch with a make believe chip on his small shoulder. All made up to motivate hate.
November 3rd, 2022 at 2:13 PM ^
The Mike Hart little brother comments in 2007 were a response to Javon Ringer saying “they think we’re their little brother” earlier that week. Hart was just quoting him back and saying he was right after the win, but nobody remembers that.
November 3rd, 2022 at 3:20 PM ^
Kinda sorta... Hart used a basketball analogy for the game that day. MSU had taken an early lead, and Michigan came back to win. So Hart said it was like a backyard bball game against your little brother - you let him get a lead and feel good for a bit, then you just take it away and win.
November 3rd, 2022 at 3:26 PM ^
But that’s why he said that about the basketball analogy. Because of the comments earlier in the week for which August West helpfully located elsewhere in this thread.
November 3rd, 2022 at 10:18 PM ^
If I remember right Hart was asked if he considers MSU the little brother, He says "Yep....if thats what they think thats what I think" in response to something Javon Ringer said earlier that week about Michigan treating them like a little brother, but that seems to have been lost in space because no one remembers it.
November 3rd, 2022 at 1:02 PM ^
MSU was called Little Brother looooong before Mike Hart said it in 2007.
And Jamele Hill (eye roll) saying that MSU wants desperately to be the team Michigan hates the most…these complaints seem to be 75 years too late. Where was all this foot stomping when Bo, Moeller and Lloyd were beating them every year?
I assume the obsession is all because of Dantonio since he got his panties in a major twist over the Hart comments. And with him coaching (and Michigan taking a nosedive to hell) Sparty was now having more than just 1-2 good seasons per decade now…so they must have thought they earned a right to have their feelings validated…I don’t know.
Whatever. All I know is, I will never root harder for Illinois to win a game than I will this weekend.
November 3rd, 2022 at 1:21 PM ^
UM-MSU, like many in-state rivalries, has a long history of natural hatred based on proximity, competition for resources, a whole host of things. It has always been heated and nasty.
The perfect storm is Dantonio embraced the worst parts of the rivalry and his success meant two things:
1) MSU felt vindicated and validated for the behavior.
2) We could no longer pretend to ignore them and pretend to be indifferent, and our genuine dismissiveness turned to hatred.
Add in the ever growing news and social media and it seems like it’s really ugly. But remember, calling them “Little Brother” has been around forever—is probably not even unique to UM-MSU—and yet a majority of people think Mike Hart invented it because they had personally never heard it before. Or forgot that they had.
November 3rd, 2022 at 3:22 PM ^
HM, I disagree...Sure there was annoyance and irritation regarding MSU, but I don't remember feeling any hatred or being exposed to hatred for MSU. (going back to the seventies here...)
Recently? (since Dantonio) feelings have steadily deteriorated towards disdain. So, it took a while but I'm really moving towards hatred with the lot of them.
Also, "trouble with the snap" really seemed to bring out the ugliness in that fan base.