bacon

May 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 AM ^

Sports writers are never wrong, so we might as well not even play the game.  He believes MSU will go 10-3.  Of course he didn't factor in the number of their players in jail after this summer, or the fact that the Michigan secondary will be a no-fly zone.  My prediction is that he'll be wrong about 10-3 at the end of the season.

Mud

May 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 AM ^

Simply put, this is the time for the Spartans to show their respect for fourth-year coach Mark Dantonio, showing they are disciplined both on and off the field.

Yeah, let me know how that works out.

bronxblue

May 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 AM ^

I love the fact that he predicted who MSU would play in a bowl game.  I doubt he even follows SEC football, so he just threw in LSU because it sounded sexy.  Let's see if MSU can really survive the first few weeks of the season without another Sparty No! performance against FIU or Western before we crown them a 10-win team.

MGoShoe

May 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 AM ^

...gallons of virtual ink spent on predicting another Michigan losing season featuring losses to ND, MSU, PSU and of course OSU and the inevitable firing of RichRod due: 1) failure to win and 2) bringing disgrace to an honorable program. Get used to it and learn to ignore it. Failure to do so will lead to the onset or enhancement of baldness and/or hypertension, an increase in mgoblog-obssession disorder and worst of all, mlive.com and espn.com comment-itis. Avoid all of these (well maybe not the mgoblog obssession disorder).

HoldTheRope

May 23rd, 2010 at 5:12 PM ^

I don't understand why anyone would want to read that trash anyway. It's good to know that Miss Cleo writes for the Freep, though. It's best just to stick to MGoBlog/other blogs of quality...usually the rare article of quality from elsewhere will find its way here, and if there's an article such as this one, it's pretty easy to tell early on in the thread that it's not worth reading...

I predict we win 8 games, including a W over State. Wow, looks like anybody can get in on this prediction business!

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

May 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 AM ^

BURN THE HERETIC RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Seriously, is it that hard to believe that some people might think eight wins in two seasons is not an automatic setup for success?  OMG a writer predicted Michigan to lose OMG OMG OMG WHAT A DOLPHIN PUNCHER.

chitownblue2

May 23rd, 2010 at 10:57 AM ^

I think I find the BOYCOTT THE FREEP stuff as tiring as you do, but to be fair, this is a pretty fucking stupid column the guy wrote. I don't "disagree" with his idea that MSU will win, but the article is just terrible. He says things like "LARRY CAPER WILL RUN FOR 140 YARDS AGAINST WISCONSIN," which is just so utterly meaningless and free of any sort of actual analysis.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

May 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 AM ^

True, I mean, statements like "it's time for the Spartans to show their discipline and their respect for Dantonio" are incredibly silly.  They've already demonstrated they have neither.

But the OP ignored every word of it and went off on "RICH ROD WILL BE FIRED."  I get that we're all sick and tired of reading how writers don't believe in RR, but shouldn't that be a good indication that we don't need someone to come running with the latest one every time they see it?

In reply to by chitownblue2

megalomanick

May 23rd, 2010 at 11:34 AM ^

I avoid the Freep for the same reason I avoid Fox News, MSNBC, and ESPN. I like my news outlets (whether sports news or national news)  to report what's going on, not try to make news where there is none for the sake of ratings or circulation. Of course the Freep and other orginizations also do a good job of exposing real scandals. There is a place for them, but they're not for me.

chitownblue2

May 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 AM ^

But remember - the rallying cry here isn't "Boycott Rosenberg and Snyder" or even "Boycott the Sports Section". It's "Boycott the Free Press" - the journalistic entity that wrote a phenomenal expose on Kwame, effectively destroying him, and has exposed Monica Conyers for the raving loon that she is. People want to throw ALL of that out because 2 guys wrote a negative story about their favorite team? Grow up.

TIMMMAAY

May 23rd, 2010 at 12:52 PM ^

As one who has "boycotted" the Freep, it's not that I want them to die for their mistakes, I just want them to learn something from them. It wasn't just because two guys wrote a negative story, it's the institution's lack of self-correction and editorial control. I don't want to throw out all of the good things they have accomplished, just improve the bad. 

mtzlblk

May 23rd, 2010 at 1:48 PM ^

no one on here yelled BOYCOTT, at least on this thread.

Someone saw a poorly reasoned article that made some rather outlandish predicitions and simply put (you see what I did there?), passed it on to the group.

Thread title is pretty intuitive, it is so easy not to click in the first place, then easier yet not to click on the link if you felt mislead by the thread title, easier still to not come in and 'roll your eyes' at all the BOYCOTT FREEP comments not being presented when you are simply one click away from going back to the list of titles and reading something else.

I would tend to agree on the BOYCOTT FREEP sentiment, although I would support a boycott of Rosenberg/Snyder stuff, just becuase it would be better if the rest of the Free Press were flourishing while their stuff was lagging, they would then be a little more exposed. 

Section 1

May 23rd, 2010 at 2:24 PM ^

... the paper whose editorial board had ENDORSED the re-election campaigns of Kwame Kilpatrick, Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, Jennifer Granholm, Debbie Stabenow, etc., etc.

And, it is the paper whose publisher (Paul Anger) specifically defended the dubious use of anonymous sources by Rosenberg and Snyder.  When Rosenberg is questioned hard enough (who, in the Detroit media landscape questions Rosenberg at all?), even he no longer claims that his anonymous sources needed anonymity to protect them from "retribution from ... coaches" etc.  Rosenberg's new fallback position is that his sources need anonymity from "general" hostility.  Like that, I guess, which Rosenberg has so deservedly received for the past 10 or 12 months.  (Rosenberg's antipathy to Rodriguez predated the August story as we all know very well.)

Freep Publisher Paul Anger is the guy who gave us the sanctimonious garbage that the Free Press investigation was in the name of combatting "excess":

"This apparent excess goes against the concept of student-athlete as embraced by the NCAA, which years ago set up rules trying to ensure that players have a semblance of a normal college experience, that they have time for class, that they are not at greater risk of injury in excessive drills and that overzealous coaches can't gain a competitive advantage..."

The Freep Publisher's defense of Rosenberg and Snyder contained this line, too, which is so misleading as to be little short of a bald-faced lie:

"We asked U-M officials for any documents or other evidence that would refute the information [before publishing the August '09 story]."

The Free Press never did any such thing.  The Free Press kept its entire investigation concealed while it was ongoing, including the sandbagging interviews of then-freshmen Je'Ron Stokes and Brandin Hawthorn, at their first-ever media day.  The Free Press did not even utilize the tool available to it, the tool that they would later utilize in this case, namely the FOIA process, until after publication of the August story.  The Free Press obviously did not want anyone to know what they were up to, interview-wise.  And most important of all, the Free Press certainly did not give Michigan a chance to look into the subject and respond to the story that the Freep was going to publish.  By Rosenberg's own stated admission, the Free Press did not contact the University until the Friday before they posted the story on its webpage on Saturday and then put it into the Sunday paper.

So please don't give me any excuses about what a great source of important public-corruption investigations the Free Press is.

The Kwame Kilpatrick story fell into the Free Press' lap when a lawyer disobeyed a court order and handed text message copies to the Free Press.  The Michigan practice "investigation" was launched by Rosenberg after someone (presumably) gave Rosenberg the July audit report to the Compliance Services Office.

So no, I haven't seen anything that changes my mind about what an unreliable, malicious, low-quality institution the Free Press is. 

wildbackdunesman

May 23rd, 2010 at 4:07 PM ^

<<<"But remember - the rallying cry here isn't "Boycott Rosenberg and Snyder" or even "Boycott the Sports Section". It's "Boycott the Free Press" - the journalistic entity that wrote a phenomenal expose on Kwame, effectively destroying him, and has exposed Monica Conyers for the raving loon that she is. People want to throw ALL of that out because 2 guys wrote a negative story about their favorite team? Grow up.">>>

Do you seriously think that if I keep a subscription to the Free Press they will learn a lesson from me not turning the page to the sports section on my couch? 

If I can't trust the Free Press to cover things that I know about, why should I trust them to cover the things that I don't know about?

Their management stands behind dishonest methods.  It wasn't a negative story, but a dishonest story that was defended by them dishonestly.  They deserve any boycotts they get from disillussioned readers.  I don't see why you are so worked up about other people's basic right to vote with their wallets.

Using your logic, should Nixon not have been pressured to resign since he did some good things as president like the EPA, relations with China, proposed the Family Assistance Plan, etc.  Why throw it all out for Watergate?

blueheron

May 23rd, 2010 at 11:32 AM ^

* To all, sorry (d'oh) for what amounts to a duplicate post.  I didn't see the other one.

* What I found noteworthy (and somewhat disgusting) about Goricki's article is the suggestion that the important people at Michigan will dump RichRod based on his record versus the Spartans.  (I didn't indicate that in the original post.)  I'd like to think that type of narrow thinking could happen only at a backward hillbilly school.

SirJack

May 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 PM ^

That's actually the one part of the article I agree with. I mean, if we lose to three mediocre State teams in a row, it will be really really bad for RR's chances of lasting until 2011 (and no, I don't believe Sparty's offense is going to be "explosive"; it'll be another .500 team, and we'll end up being around there too if we lose to them). ND and Sparty are must-wins this year, let's face it. If it's October and we've already lost to those two, we are fucked.

But relax, I think we'll win both.

Seth9

May 23rd, 2010 at 6:16 PM ^

I would think that the best way to predict the record of any team in the upcoming year is to analyze the team's performance over the last year or two, the team's returning starters and roster in general, the team's upcoming schedule, etc., rather than note that Dantonio's predecessors were not overly successful.

This is not to say that the linked article has a good basis. It almost exclusively concentrates on the positive aspects of the team rather than such holes as the lack of a returning defense, while being ludicrously optimistic about the running backs. However, saying that MSU's .500 gravity should cause the team to regress is not something that one should base a detailed analysis on.

M-Wolverine

May 23rd, 2010 at 4:54 PM ^

Know what the meltdown was? I went to post this, because there was none, but the search came up with the one had been deleted. So I didn't post something that had already resulted in a meltdown. Though I WAS curious what the meltdown was.

SysMark

May 23rd, 2010 at 10:49 AM ^

Awesome, he even gives you the scores so you don't have to waste time watching.  Guess I'll be getting in some good fishing this fall

wildbackdunesman

May 23rd, 2010 at 10:08 AM ^

"You don't lose to your in-state rivals three straight times"

Give me a break.  Is it really that simple?  Lose to MSU 3 times in a row and you are fired.  Even if the team gets 9 or more wins this year?

jrt336

May 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 AM ^

If MSU actually does go 9-3, they will be a bad 9-3 team because their schedule is so easy. They would get killed against whoever they played. MSU looked like a 9 win team last year. But they are MSU, so they went below .500. They constantly underachieve.

Section 1

May 23rd, 2010 at 7:51 PM ^

1.  It is virtually content-free.  I am not sure that there's a single item, not one factoid, that constitutes any sort of reporting here.  It is, by its own terms, an "Opinion" piece, and of course newspapers ar allowed to run opinion pieces.  Sportswriters are allowed to have opinions.  But this Goricki column is a a kind of oddball bit of weirdly vacuous speculation.  It looks like filler, for a sports website that desperately needs content.  Like a sportstalk radion that needs to talk about something, anything, be it strip clubs or smoking bans, or politics, or swimsuit models, or online social media... or sports.  It's like one of those episodes of the fictional "Chuck Swerski" program on SNL, aka "Da Bears", where the guys were talking about whether Mike Ditka could win the Indy 500  while driving the team bus.

2.  It is one of the oddest provocations that I can imagine, in a column about Michigan State's upcoming season, to speculate that Rich Rodriguez would be fired.  Can anyone tell me what that had to do with the Spartans?  Even after predicting an MSU win in Ann Arbor this October, what does a predicted firing of Rich Rodriguez have to do with anything?  (Actually, I can think of one thing; that the East Lansing obsession  with all things "Ann Arbor" carries over into reporting, and that if the Spartan faithful felt like they could influence the firing of their hated rival's coaching staff with a big win, they'd by overjoyed.  Until I started typing this, I had nearly forgotten that we sealed the fate of Bobby Williams with the 49-3 bitch-slapping we administered in 2002. So I guess I can understand that part.  Ironically, it doesn't speak well of the Spartans that they'd fixate on Michigan, even in their own preseason.)

3.  It is a profoundly unprofessional thing for a thoughtful columnist to do, to bury the lede if indeed it was true.  Does Goricki reallly know that Rich Rodroguez will not survive 2010?  Of course not; his lede isn't really a lede at all.  It is just a form of trashtalk, published for the readership of the Detroit News.  The firing of Rich Rodriguez would be a huge story.  It just isn't a real story.

Honestly, I don't care if we have an enemies list of 1 or 10 or 1000; if this is what sportswriters do, they deserve to be enemy-listed.  There was a time, once, when we relied on sportswriters to tell us about events that we couldn't, or didn't, see for ourselves.   Now, thanks to television and digital recording, we can see it all for ourselves.  Sportswriters no longer describe events for us and paint word-picutures.  They are now gossip columnists and provacateurs.  They preside over arguments about what happened or what will happen.  And when there aren't enough readily-available arguments, they invent more.