Gattis Post-Army Presser

Submitted by NeverPunt on September 9th, 2019 at 1:38 PM

Summary:

 

What were some of the things he saw that he liked on Saturday?   Army was a good defense, credit to them.  We need to eliminate the mistakes on our end. We were able to run 80 plays, time of possession was good, but fumbles and mistakes cost us.  Kids battled - 7 explosive plays, 9 of 16 on third down vs a top 5 defense last year on 3rd down. Kids battled back.

Re: Time of Possession - What evened that out in the second half? Mainly not turning the ball over. Need our kids to just settle down and play the type of football we want to play. 

On turnovers and penalties:  7 turnovers, 10 penalties, 7 drops in two games, those are killing us. There's been a lot of positives - 160 plays, 17 explosives, and lots of plays that have just missed - need to get our timing down in every phase, eliminate mistakes

Are the mistakes mental?  Yeah our kids want to be great, there's a high degree of excitement, of pressure, and this is a good time to spend the bye week getting them calm. Need a voodoo expert to get rid of the ball security issues (joking) - tons of focus on not putting the ball on the ground. Not seeing it in practice so just need to calm them down in the games.

On playing at UW - can it help to calm them down by being on the road? I hope so - this game was a great learning moment. They understand where the mistakes are coming from, it'll get fixed. 

What do you admire/learn from Don Brown:  his mentality - an aggressive guy, the players trust him and there's a lot of mutual respects.

On Shea with Reads/Not Pulling- by design? No not by design. Army did some things to take it away. They brought pressure on 85% of the plays. Need to get back to film room on it.

It is a process on the reads now that they're doing it more this year?  No we just need to make the right decisions - understand what the defense is doing and make the best decisions.

Joel Klatt mentioned Shea was banged up - was that part of the problem? He's been banged up the past couple weeks - something he struggled with since first play of MTSU. Shouldn't afffect his decision making - there's a lot that goes into the reads that might not be seen to the average eye. Numbers, angles, how tight/wide the defenders are - if they're playing wide, it should give you advantages inside. he made some good decisions and some that you'd like to have back. Need to keep getting better here.

On Zach Charbonnet's emergence: He's shown who he is - consistent, mature. Wasn't anticipating getting him that many reps. Probably too many. Had some issues in the pass pro game that cost us two fumbles, and they trust Zach to pick up the pressures. 

On fumbles:  We need to clean up protection issues and secure the ball. But those three are huge because they kill momentum in the half and put the D in bad positions.

Is he happy with distribution of the ball/number of targets in pass game:  We've had some great plays and had some missed opportunities as well. Forced 4 defensive PI calls, We gotta continue to get better and not missed opportunities. We had some guys make some plays and some that we missed. When we guys wide open we gotta make those plays moving forward.

On the O-Line: Done great job. Mike Onwenu had a great week. Starting two freshman basically on the O-Line getting their first starts (Hayes, Mayfield) and they've done really well. Some penalties and little things we need to improve on, make sure we're picking up pressures. Wish we'd been more productive in the run game. We missed some runs too where the RB missed the hole. 

How is DPJ's absence felt:  DPJ had a great pre-season. Hard to say looking at some of the plays if that would have been a factor. Ronnie Bell's been having a good run this week, missing DPJ of course, Jon Runyan as well, but biggest factor is turnovers. 

On going for it on the 4th downs:  Analytics supported going for it on all three. They wanted to be aggressive. The last drive - they've been eating up the clock, and if they can convert they know army isn't a two minute team so felt like they had the right call and just need to excute that better.

Who makes the call on that last 4th down: Discussion with him and Jim. You can take the points and give them the ball back or try to end it on your terms. He needs to do a better job of getting them in a good position to get that first down.

{missed question here = muffled}: There's room for the kids to improve but it's on him to put them in the best position to be successful. Always call you can go back and look at but feels good about the game plans for both games and if there's times they're not executing, they need to fix that and fix the turnovers

Was there discussion of going for two in first OT? We felt good about where defense was playing. Going for it on a two point is hard in college football and felt good about getting the kick and going first in OT. 

Do they play the second drive in OT different than first given they don't know points needed? Nope - had guys open, wanted to be aggressive, missed Nico and Eubanks on a couple passes, but we wanted to get in there and score. 

For Shea and Dylan - how does the rotation look moving forward?  Yep they'll keep doing what they've been doing - keep working Dylan in there for plays. He's been doing well. They pick and choose when they want to bring him in. 

Jon and DPJ back for UW? I would hope so. It's a little early right now. Hopefully we can get them back

Team was pressing the first two weeks, why? Think they just want to be great and there's a lot of pressure to succeed. Our D's done a great job in supporting us. We'll get it cleaned up. 

How do you correct it?  We do tons of ball security stuff in practice - disciplinary standpoint, you fumble, you run in practice. They understand the severity. 

 

Brhino

September 9th, 2019 at 1:48 PM ^

So there's really only two possibilities with these reads:

 

1. Gattis is telling the truth, and Shea is correctly handing off.  Everyone on the boards here ranging from the novices like me to the experts like Brian is incorrect when they think they see what should be a obvious QB keep.

2. Shea is handing off when he shouldn't, and Gattis is lying to cover for him.  Then we speculate on why that might be.  Is he reading wrong?  Is he hurt and ordered not to keep?  If either of those are true why aren't we seeing Mccaffrey?

ldevon1

September 9th, 2019 at 3:28 PM ^

If you looked at any of that coach cam you can see this guy is feeling the heat. Do you think he would play a guy that was not as good as the guy behind him? This isn't a situation where the coach is playing his kid. The one thing I keep going back to is Urban Meyer saying on the 1st Fox broadcast, regardless of what they ran last year, it was gonna take time for them to run this system efficiently. If anyone knows, it's that guy. Its probably a lot harder than we assume, and turnovers, and injuries only make things that much more difficult. Missed deep passes, dropped passes, missed blocking assignments, and fumbled would make any offense look like shit. They need to clean it up quick. 

Champ Kind

September 9th, 2019 at 9:19 PM ^

No, they don’t. Their OC is in his second year. People that don’t follow college football closely just think they have a new OC this year. They do have a new passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach that they got from the Saints. He has helped change the offense to be more open, so there has been an evolution. However, the OC is in year 2, so some things remained the same - and he had some struggles last year. They’ve looked awesome in a short time this season,  but the transition costs aren’t exactly identical.

MgoWood

September 9th, 2019 at 4:12 PM ^

I see this as well, and wonder why we are getting excuses from even Joel Klatt about these issues. I agree that Maryland doesn't seem to have any issues and must have faster learners over there?(/s clearly, but really???) We have no idea why and it's suuuper frustrating to watch our O compared to other "newly installed" offenses.

CMHCFB

September 9th, 2019 at 7:55 PM ^

I got destroyed after the speed in space concept was announced when I said it will take time to be able to execute it AND to recruit the right athletes to really make it work.  The team is designed for manball which is fine, with the exception of adding more 4.3 backs and slots.

With that being said, the difference between what we have seen and what we should see with normal transition/unfamiliarity issues is a big gap.  It’s takes a while to take a new style from average/good to great, but there is no reason it should be below average at this point.   

MinWhisky

September 9th, 2019 at 3:30 PM ^

I concur 100% and basically said the same thing a few minutes ago on bronxblue's diary:

Harbaugh plays favorites.  Patterson is a favorite.  McCafferty is not.  How else can you explain not pulling Patterson who fumbled twice, missed reads, missed open receivers, failed to run a true RPO (he always handed off the ball), etc.? And if Shea was hurt, even more reason to pull him.  JH pulled a punt returner who fumbled and two RBs, one who missed an assignment and another who fumbled.  Yet Shea made multiple errors of that type and doesn't get pulled.  JH doesn't run a real meritocracy.  IMO, he plays favorites, players see that, and that's why the team doesn't seem to have the fire you see at other highly rated programs.

bronxblue

September 9th, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^

What mountain of evidence do we have that McCaffrey, learning a new offense line Patterson, is better right now?  The 4 passes he threw against MTSU?  The three plays he ran this game, including at least one run where he probably should have pulled the ball on the read but didn't?  People keep thinking there is some vast conspiracy but virtually everyone here only knows what he/she sees during gameday.  The coaches, I assume, watch lots of practice video and know the playbook and the calls.  They are not at the information deficit we all are.

I get being mad about a performance, but Patterson was having a solid day passing and it may well have been mandated from the staff to play very conservatively that second half after 3 TOs.  I'm not sure the game plays out any differently with McCaffret under center and could have ended quite a bit worse, especially throwing the ball late in the 2nd half.

wolverine1987

September 9th, 2019 at 6:13 PM ^

To be clear, there is zero, repeat, zero actual evidence that DCaff is a better choice. I heard two callers on radio this afternoon advocate a Shea benching and the best they could come up with was "the intangibles," and one guy said "body language of the players change" when Dylan comes in. In other words, magical thinking.

Blue In NC

September 9th, 2019 at 4:42 PM ^

Yes, clearly.  Harbaugh would hate a guy like Tru Wilson (walk-on, hard worker) that's why Tru got "demoted" to the 3rd string.

Sorry, there are some examples of questionable personnel decisions but I am comfortable that Harbaugh generally plays the guys that he thinks are the best players.  Everything I have seen would indicate that he thinks Dylan is a good player but for whatever reason, he thinks Shea gives him the best chance to win right now.  And unless he is substantially hurt, I agree with that.

gustave ferbert

September 9th, 2019 at 3:33 PM ^

I'm wondering if there is season management going on here.  I agree with you.  We are indeed trouble if Dylan can't get the nod if shea is injured. 

But Dylan is an aggressive player.  He was injured last year and he was still aggressive against MTSU. 

I'm hoping that Harbaugh knows that we need Dylan for the big ten season.  I would be curious to see what his playing time will be like against wisconsin. 

that's my futile attempt at a spin. 

DrMantisToboggan

September 9th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^

Because it begins to look like it’s not actually a read, and then we add the read back in and it hits you really hard. This is exactly the story of Shea’s 81 yard run against Wisconsin last year. We hadn’t let him keep much until then, and then we sprung it on them.

Now, I think it will be less potent this year, because everyone knows deep down that Shea runs. It’s just a matter of whether they stay disciplined.

KC Wolve

September 9th, 2019 at 4:42 PM ^

Well, that ended up being a pretty risky assumption. I love coach Harbaugh and by no means think I know near as much about football but I’d rather perfect these plays against inferior opponents than save them for future games. I mean, this isn’t a triple pass that you are saving for a huge surprise. 

ijohnb

September 9th, 2019 at 1:54 PM ^

Frankly, and frighteningly, I am beginning to suspect that the answer may very well be that the coaches simply don't know at this point.  They don't know what to run, or really how to run it.  I certainly want to believe that they are not showing their hand or dumbing things down but that is not how it appears.  It appears that the coaches and the players are genuinely confused.

Bodogblog

September 9th, 2019 at 2:47 PM ^

I know.  I've been feeling for a while like the offense has been slowly morphing into a monstrous vermin.  At first it thought this was temporary, but then as it was left alone in its room and found that the transformation was continuing and irrevocable, the offense tried to deal with the implications.  Isolated from fans and increasingly understanding its irrelevance, the offense desperately tried to hold on to a portrait of a zone read playsheet, which represented its football humanity.  But it only hurt others and itself.  Eventually the fans wanted no part of the burden "it" placed on them, and realizing this, the offense died when it understood it was no longer wanted.  Perhaps due to a broken heart.  The fans moved out to the country afterward. 

Mongo

September 9th, 2019 at 1:57 PM ^

or maybe somewhere in between ... instructions to Shea "if the read is wide open for the keeper where you won't get nailed, go ahead otherwise check the RPO pass and if not there hand it off"

Army probably had the keeper very well covered, so it realistically came down to two options - RPO pass or Zach up the gut.   But Shea isn't missing that many reads otherwise they would bench him.

 

father fisch

September 9th, 2019 at 2:22 PM ^

If it were John Navarre running the RPO, I would say okay, I get it.  But isn't this right up Patterson's alley?  I mean, isn't this his type of offense?  If you can't run it at this level and experience, and they don't trust DM to run it or any other system, I think our season prospects are academic.  He didn't keep it.  His passing was way off target.  Pretty much just left Chardonnet to run into a D-Line expecting to see him there.

I just don't s see that Patterson and the O-Line are going to suddenly "get it" against Wisconsin.  I would imagine our other competition who have innovative coaches might find ways to exploit our failings too.

I need lots and LOTS of alcohol....

NeverPunt

September 9th, 2019 at 2:06 PM ^

He was pretty clear that there were some bad reads in there without outright saying it. I think Shea is hurt and spooked to run and no coach is going to tell you that. 

Why not Dylan? Dunno that's mystery to me.  They must not trust his grasp of the passing offense as they clearly like him as a runner? Or perhaps he's a little more turnover prone in the pass game and they felt they couldn't risk that three turnovers deep into the game and trailing a team that gives you next to no possessions? all idle speculation. 

Listening to him talk, I think he's pissed mostly about the turnovers and penalties. Beyond that, they need healthy players to make plays and good decisions and he thinks they'll be fine. i dont disagree.

reshp1

September 9th, 2019 at 2:11 PM ^

I do think on second watch a few "bad reads" looked that way but only because the end wasn't the guy being read (scrape exchange), and there was actually another defender overhanging inducing the give. This wasn't the same mind-boggling level of missed reads as MTSU. 

Gattis also admitted Shea would like to have some back, so obviously mistakes were made as well. 

benzolamas

September 9th, 2019 at 2:15 PM ^

Occam's Razor here... I would say based on this interview (and watching other similar offenses for years) that defenses across the country are not stupid, and have played against/watched film on RPO offenses for awhile. Therefore they are preparing better and making it more difficult to run an RPO offense effectively on game day. So kudos to Army there. They did a great job Saturday. 

I feel this (above) would explain why Shea is handing-off as much as he did against Army. They quite effectively took away other options for him to run or pass (according to his read). Combined with the fact Shea is banged up, handing-off the ball to a stellar RB (when the read says) is the logical move to get a first down and also for Shea to avoid more serious injury deciding to get risky.

Michigan and Shea will just have to get better at reads in-game, fine tune their offense, and hope Shea gets healthier as the season goes on. 

I believe this will happen. If not, Michigan is going to lose some games we thought they'd win, and the coaching staff will have to make a decision on Shea versus Dylan.

 

 

crg

September 9th, 2019 at 4:21 PM ^

I also took from this interview that Army was prepared and took away much of the read option just by their formation.

I, for one, am immensely happy (happy might not be the most appropriate word - maybe relieved) that it happened now instead of later in the season.  If there were ever a "best" time to make adjustments, this is it.  If Army saw this pre-game, others have too.

Hab

September 9th, 2019 at 4:00 PM ^

3.  Given the risk of injury to Shea, there are orders from on high not to risk further injury by pulling and making yourself a target.  As a result, everyone is right.  The decision to hand off is the 'correct' one, and in a world where no one is hurt and we won't lose our QB for the rest of the year, the 'correct' decision is to pull and run.

There, everybody happy?  Can we all breathe now?

KBLOW

September 9th, 2019 at 6:48 PM ^

Still doesn't address why MCaff didn't get more than one series. He needs experience, too, and if Shea is so injured already that one hit on a read-option will take him out, why not give a mid-game rest or two? Or really, why run it at all at any part of the season? 

jsquigg

September 9th, 2019 at 8:40 PM ^

Gattis said they missed some reads in the run game. Gattis said they missed opportunities. I must have missed the part where he said Shea made the right read every time.

It's is justifiable to critique the play calling, but it's also easy to do as a fan. When they called more aggressive plays, they were turning the ball over. My problem is that they called a panicked game for players that were panicking which made them predictable and almost cost them the game. I hope they learned from it.

MaizeBlueA2

September 10th, 2019 at 4:41 AM ^

There are more than 2 possibilities. 

Because what I took away is that Shea is hurt. Shea is also probably scared to pull and fumble because of what happened after his first run.

But I also now think the read is being taught the wrong way. He has a different coach so he's looking at different things. Gattis is talking about presnap alignment and whatnot. For me it's always been simple...read the end, I never thought and I still don't think you should have a predetermined read but Shea does and does it OFTEN. 

That ruins the whole point of the play. If I know you're going to give if I align a certain way... I'm going to align that way and then do something to stop the give that I already know is coming.

To me, in addition to getting healthy and having confidence in your legs and/or not getting pulled...you need to rethink how you're teaching this.

BornInA2

September 9th, 2019 at 1:53 PM ^

"On Shea with Reads/Not Pulling- by design? No not by design. Army did some things to take it away. They brought pressure on 85% of the plays. Need to get back to film room on it."

Or maybe it would be good to have another plan if the opponent takes it away, you know, in place before the game? See also: We cover OSU receivers like a blanket downfield so they annihilate us with crossing routes.

Plan B: It's a thing. A thing to have. Especially for dudes whose compensation package tops out at $1,500,000.00 this year.

mGrowOld

September 9th, 2019 at 2:47 PM ^

A. You are 100% correct we need to have a solid "plan  B" in place before the game in case the defense takes something away

B. That being said both Gattis & Harbaugh are lying through their fucking teeth when they say the QB option wasnt there and that Army took it away.  They absolutely did NOT take anything away - Patterson simply refused to pull it and run.  The reason why is anybody's guess at this point although i lean to a combination of injury plus poor reads.

I'll be you a dozen donuts Brian absolutely crushes Patterson in the UFR.  I went back and watched just the offense of the game last night and when I tell you there was acres of lovely green Michigan stadium grass out there with no defenders anywhere in sight.........sigh.