Gardner Medical R.S. Question
I know this has been asked many times over, but does anyone truly know the process behind applying for a medical redshirt?
Each time Devin Gardner's case is brought up, I hear we have to await the NCAA's decision, which could take "years." Why is it then that a freshman Clemson player, who applied for a Medical RS this past season, has already heard back from the NCAA? I guess I don't see how his situation is any different from Devin's.
http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/35115974
anything that they do make sense?
I do know that the team was told they would have to wait on a ruling until he was done with his true senior year.
I have no idea why things woild be different for another athlete.
I've heard that as well, which seems absolutely ridiculous to me, considering the effect his eligibility has on coaching/recruiting decisions. Not to mention, the decision is based on his medical condition from that one season, which does not change over time.
if we're going to believe the NCAA is all about the student athlete, how much could DG conceivably improve his GPA by spreading his harder courses out over a final two years instead of a single one? I know my GPA would be significantly higher if I hadn't had to cram a few specific classes into my schedule second semester of junior year. I'd have killed to have two of those classes moved to the next term, which DG could do if he's taking five years instead of four.
Hoke actually confirmed this to be true in one of the press conferences he did last year.
I suppose if they are rejecting people who get one immediately, having to wait for a decision doesn't look so bad.
Junior got hurt and got his ruled on the same year. This whole situation with Devin's Medical RS makes absolutely no sense. Then again, we are dealing with the NCAA. The organization of 2 for 1's except when it comes to Ohio bowl games.
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Gardner only played until his 4th game. The athlete in the article played until his 5th...that was more than 30% of his games so that makes him automatically ineligible. They both are separate cases really.
You're right, they are different situations; I managed to overlook that.
Still frustrating though... are we really going to watch the bowl game in two years and not know whether it's Devin's last game or not? That's nuts. I don't understand the logic in putting a timeframe on a medical redshirt ruling.
He played in five games (the Clemson player), which put him over the 30%-of-games limit. Clemson apparently argued that he'd only played a handful of snaps, but the NCAA said that it doesn't matter. The difference with Gardner is that his situation does not violate the 30%-of-games limit. The question there, I think, will be whether his injury really had to keep him out of the games that he missed.
EDIT: Beaten to the punch. Here's a python that tried to swallow an alligator:
lolwut...
I can't exactly make out what is occuring in the picture, any insight? It seems really crazy though! (I obviously understand there's a python eating/attempting to eat/ate and was demolished premise goin on, but the pic is small and I'm very curious!)
The python ate the alligator, but the gator was so large, it caused the python to burst at its midsection, where you can see the carcass of the dead alligator hanging out.
Needless to say, the python died
tried to eat the gator while it was still alive. What you're seeing is that even though the gator ripped out the side of the snake...they both ended up dead. I wish I could have see this in action!!!
I saw a show about a year or two ago on the National Geographic Channel and they had experts speculating on what happened. They came to the conclusion that the gator had been attacked by a larger Gator (it had a large gash on it's head) possibly during mating rituals. It was barely alive and the Python strangled it and tried to swallow it. The Gator was a bit too big and one of it's claws puntured the side of the Python while it was trying to regurgitate the Gator. That's what lead to the picture in their opinion. However it happened it's a cool picture.
Using Clemson's logic, Denard played less than 30% of U-M's total offensive plays in his freshman year, so he should be entitled to a fifth year of eligibility.
The Clemson player got his decision because he was being denied based on playing more than 30% of the season - he wasn't eligible so no need to wait.
EDIT: Likewise beaten to it...fast crowd
I believe this is actually a decision that is handled by the conference (not the NCAA directly). That might account for the differences in how indivdual cases are handled.
Here you go (I can't believe I waded through that to find this):
see this press release from Minnesota in regards to their RB Kirkwood, which frankly only raises more question about the current situation
http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011911aaa.html
"University of Minnesota running back Donnell Kirkwood has been granted a medical hardship waiver by the Big Ten Conference. Kirkwood's participation in the 2010 season will not count against him and he will have four seasons of eligibility remaining.
"This is great news for Donnell and for our football program," head coach Jerry Kill said. "We're happy for him and we appreciate all those who assisted in getting the waiver approved."
Kirkwood rushed for 107 yards on 27 carries, averaging 4.0 yards per carry, early in the 2010 season before missing the remainder of the year with a leg injury.
-UM- "
that Gardner is going to wait until after his "last" season to see if he wants to stay for his med reshirt season or forego for the NFL draft. Then they will look into it.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D112.pdf
Above is the link to the NCAA Dvision I Administrative Bylaws
This should be of general interest to the board as a whole really. The section governing the rules on this is WAY too long to copy and paste. Go to 14.2.4 - Hardship Waiver (which is a "medical redshirt" basically) and you should find everything you wanted to know about the subject, how it is determined, documentation that is needed, and the like. Basically, from about the middle of page 157 to the middle of page 161.
not take the NCAA long to decide that Ohio could have one staff coaching and another recruiting while on probation. That chaffs my ass as much as anything they have done.
FYI, from what I understand the B10 decides, not the NCAA
or shouldn't they just redshirt Gardner this year?
If the medical redshirt is granted for his freshman year, he can't take another redshirt (unless it's medical again). So, if he takes a redshirt this year, then his freshman year will count against him either way, but he would miss out on the experience he could gain this year.
So is there a rule that says you can't take a voluntary redshirt while under medical redshirt suspicion? Inconceivable. I think it is a no brainer to have him take next year redshirted then have two years still remaining.
No, I was thinking if he took one next year, then his medical redshirt would not likely be granted. If the rules in football are the same in basketball, you have to play your 4 years of eligibility in 5 years. The exception is if you have multiple medical redshirts, you can gain a waiver.
Four years of eligibility in five calndar years - that makes sense. Carry on.
Actualy,Gardner WAS a true Soph last year so next season would be his third year of elig. so he could take the redshirt next year and still have two more years of eligibility in his fourth and fifth years. I still vote for redshirt next year.
He was considered a true sophomore last year because the decision on his medical redshirt from his freshman year hadn't been made yet.
Not with Denard's injury history and with what's on the line this season.
However, if we had a ruling on his first year medical RS, that could influence the coaches decision. Another reason to hate this situation.
Do you have faith in Bellomy as our #2 QB? That's essentially what you'd be calling for.
Yes.
The decision on a medical hardship is made by the conference. The NCAA only hears an appeal of that decision.
Sooo...do we have an answer to the OPs question?