Is one thing, but athletics is entirely another.
Extended McDowell Signing Day Drama
End of story.
...make me feel particularly gross for following recruiting. I hope the McDowells can work this out and do so with some privacy.
I agree with that his best bet may be in Florida and out of the Midwest completely.
Gotta feel bad for this kid. Who would want this family issue played out in the court of public insanity? This kid's character is being put out there for everyone to examine. Hope they get it figured out stat.
Please allow me to offer a contrary point of view:
1. Malik's mom is coming under a lot of fire from people who don't know her, or her son, or the circles they move in. Ms. McDowell has a lot more life experience than her son, and a lot more knowledge of him, his character and his friends, and should be presumed to have his best interests at heart. It is possible that she sees some problem at MSU that would not exist at U of M. It is at least possible that she has a legitimate concern. If she is right, then her son would probably be better off in Ann Arbor than East Lansing.
2. A lot of us have to settle for our second choices in life, and sometimes we look back and are grateful we didn't get exactly what we wanted.
3. In the immortal words of Brady Hoke, "this is Michigan for God's sake" -- not Siberia, not Bob Jones University, or even Brigham Young. Even if Mr. McDowell gets his arm twisted a little by his mom, I doubt he'll be utterly miserable here. He might even decide he likes the place eventually.
4. All of which means that I wouldn't necesarily turn my nose up at Malik McDowell if he sends in an LOI, though if I were Brady Hoke I'd have a long talk with the young man to make sure he is academically up to the task, and can gin up some enthusiasm for Michigan football.
Can we sign his MOM? She sounds tough, you go girl. No win for any of them in this deal, sad stuff.
what exactly were webb's comments ???
Yea those two guys he referred to were definitely can't miss prospects. He needs to worry about his own development no one cares that he went to ohio, we have Peppers.
We really should have helped Terry Richardson and Delonte Hollowell grow a few inches. Where is the improvement from year to year with this coaching staff?
If you look at the facts: Michigan develops corners better than State.
However, players developed much better than Richardson and RJS so they got buried on the depth chart. He is just bitter his boys aren't playing when in hind sight, there are just better players than them.
Can't be mad at Joe Bolden and James Ross for being very good at football.
RJS will have his day if he keeps on putting in the work.
Attrition from having too much talent is not a problem we enjoyed in the former regime.
It feels we have a billion LBs but not enough D linemen
Michigan State has had several years in a row where they have had lockdown corners. Historically this may be true, but in the last five years I don't see any way someone can argue that Michigan develops corners better.
This makes MSU look bad, not Michigan. MSU just won a Rose Bowl yet McDowell's parents are appalled at him becoming part of their progrm.
Hoke hasn't lost his recruiting touch. If you actually followed recruiting for any length of time you would know that it has ups and downs. UM is in a down period because of an ugly season.
Agreed on your first statement. But you can't classify this as a down period in recruiting. We're "only" the #12 class on ESPN because we have the fewest # of commits at 16. Georgia is 2 spots above us with 20, and the rest of the field is between 22 and 37(!!). Per capita, our class has a TON of talent.
We just signed the highest rated recruit in the program's history and Hoke has lost his touch?
Sorry but that's ridiculous. Damon Webb is a teenager who probably has a chip on his shoulder b/c he's going to our arch rival after attending our most noted pipeline school. However, I think Cass Tech players have been hit or miss, with quite a few big misses, well before Brady was HC. Some kids just don't pan out. Not always the coaches' fault.
Also it's reasonable to posit that perhaps Webb was put off by the fact that M had prioritized and signed the one CB recruit ranked higher than Webb. Webb, it seems, wanted to be "the guy." He'd never be that in a class that includes Peppers.
Really? Have you even looked at the class that was signed today? One kid wants to do something different and suddenly on a day that Hoke and staff sign a great class you write this? Do you work for a newspaper looking to create drama? Unreal.
Please ban this troll.
He is obviousaly a MSU or OSU fan looking to cause trouble on here.
Yes, it's really awful that we'll have to make do with leftovers like Jabrill Peppers, Lawrence Marshall, and Bryan Mone.
What a ridiculous assertion; Hoke has lost his recruiting touch?
Did Ferns have a Sparty (and Alabama offer?) Did Peppers have an offer from everywhere? Did Mason Cole have national offers (including Ohio St., Florida State etc.), Drake Harris (who spurned Sparty, held national offers).
The whole class is high end talent. If Michigan had recruited like this and the last couple years (and actually retained more than 55% of their classes) things would be a hell of a lot better.
If Ferns, Mone, Peppers, Harris, Marshall, Speight, Cole, Winovich, Furbush and Bunting represent a lost touch then I hope Hoke keeps this up.
While it's true that a recruit needs a parent/guardian signature to participate in the National Letter of Intent program if under the age of 21, he (or she) does NOT need a signature to receive financial aid.
The LOI is an optional program and does not have to be signed. It means the recruit can still be recruited by other programs until enrollment. However, a player could sign a financial aid agreement and still receive a scholarship by the institution.
The parents can make it difficult on McDowell to go to Michigan State, but ultimately they cannot prevent it.
To get regular Financial Aid you need to fill out the FAFSA. If you are a dependant your parents (or custodial parent) need to sign it. The purpose of this is so that the student can't just claim zero income and expect to get financial aid based upon that, if they are a dependant then the parents income needs to be listed and signed by them.
I don't think that applies to merit based scholarships which an athletic scholarship is.
Even for merit based scholarships the financial aid office usually wants a FAFSA filed.I won't pretend I understand the full workings of it, but I'm guessing if you get a full ride and qualify for Pell Grants, the school will still want to collect the grants to lessen their overall burden.
Whatever PR bump Malik gave Sparty is now diminished; every time someone recalls his commitment, the story will include mention of his parents' low opinion of Sparty's academics.
eventually cognitive dissonance will force the parents to root for msu...and surely they'll say that the academics are good, etc..... i doubt this is good for us, because the parents will be viewed as 'converts'
Read this on twitter and I don't know if this is true but if so, holy fucking shit this just got worse.
Guy who tweeted writes for the rivals ohio site and has 3K followers-
Couldnt he just wait four months and sign it himself?
His parnets should have kept this whole thing in house. Would've been much easier to manage. I don't blame them from wanting to put them in the siutation they feel is best for their son. They know him better then any of us. They know how they've tried to raise him and what values are important. Somehow he'll convince his folks the can handle the situation maturely and not fall into the situations they're worried about. He'll end up at State and do well.
he is 17years 8 months old. Does it create any problems for him to wait until then to sign his LOI? I assume he's the only one who would have to sign then.
NCAA law that you have to have your parent or legal guardian sign it until you're 21.... And I believe his father said he was willing to sign it.
Boy I'm just glad my parents and I agreed on where I should go to college... Well, at least my mom and I did hahaha
mom is legal guardian she has to sign off on it
The NLI won't be relevant in four months. It has to be signed by April.
So hypothetically what would happen Magnus if mom is the legal guardinan and refused to sign it? Could she block his attendance to MSU? What recourse would he have if she didnt sign?
I'll hang up and listen.
See post No. 177 for an explanation. The short answer is no, she could not block attendance to Sparty.
What BigK said.
She can't stop him from attending MSU and getting a scholarship there. All she can do is stop him from participating in the NLI program, which means other schools can continue to recruit him until it's signed and faxed. Who knows? Maybe Brady Hoke can work some magic...
am curious here... can speight, who is enrolled and say, peppers, who is not enrolled, actively recruit him, like, going over to his house?
Worst comes to worst, he can just wait to sign on his 18th bday. Ultimately, she can't stop him from going where he wants to go. She can just be a pain in his ass.
(EDIT: Wait, you're saying he can't sign alone till he's 21? That seems ridiculous, given that 18 year olds can join the army at 18).
Granted, if he doesn't sign till later, there's always a chance that he'll reconsider and sign elsewhere. But if he wants to be a Sparty, he'll be a Sparty, regardless.
This reminds me of last year when Alex Collins' mother took away his LOI:
He goes where it's best for him and his family.
Can't blame MM's parents for wanting him to attend the school with the best academics. I'd do the same as a parent. ("Hmmm. Stanford or Oklahoma? Yeah, you're going to Stanford.") Still and all, there's no reason why they had to go public with their family laundry. It's unseamly. It embarrasses their son. And it suggests that they've got larger issues.
It's fairly obvious Malik wants to go to MSU and his parents don't want him going there and is unfortunately an extremely public disagreement.
They should've postponed his signing day ceremony if there was going to be this much drama surrounding it. I hope Malik gets to go to school where he wants, but parents are generally wiser than their 17 yr old children. Just unfortunate it's so public right now. This is a kitchen table conversation, not a national media conversation
Makes one really wonder exactly what Dantonio did.....
and work it out with his parents. If it takes a day, a week or a month he should do it. If I am Hoke, Meyers or Dantanio I would counsel him to do just that. it is NOT about the Universities but about HIM and what is best for him.
I think Hoke, Meyer and Fisher would be delighted if he took that tact as it keeps the door open that he'll sign with one of them instead. Dantonio, of course, not so much. While it should be about the kids making the right decision for themselves, most fans don't even have that perspective so it is hard to believe coaches who have seven figure contracts at stake always keep that perspective.
Sounds like Gore (msu) and Bush (us) and the hanging chad (loi)
I think it's always the parents' job to strongly advocate what is (in their view) best for the kid -- especially when the kid is still a kid. And 17-year-olds definitely are not yet adults. MM is a teenager who's still dependent on his parents and living under his mom's roof. But the parents, at this point, can't (and shouldn't) force him to choose one school over another. They should make their case forcefully, then make it again, then step back.
I feel bad for the kid. I could understand him and his parents disagreeing on a school choice, but for them to do it publicly would be extremely frustrating to me. Mom and dad need to let the kid go where he wants to, and support him.