ESPN Snipes At Michigan for Missing Out On Les Miles For LSU After LSU Wins
Tell me what you think? I was about to enjoy a nice whipped cream topped Irish Cream & Espresso while lighting up a Gran Habano #1 Broadleaf corona, it doesn't get too much better than that for starting a Sunday. Just before settling into what channel might tell me where Detroit might be playing or at least what spare limb depository I'd need to show up to actually get highlights as I was promptly reminded that you actaully have to win games to be seen.
Alas... I trolled through the assorted psuedo-sportsesque programming to happen upon listening to ESPN chatting it up about Les Miles and LSU's narrow victory, but victory nonetheless over Auburn ending an eight year run on the their home-field advantage. Some unknown putz [whom I've never seen on ESPN before] makes a crack at Michigan for letting Les Miles skip over the Maize and Blue for the Tigers of LSU.
That was a cheap shot... because I was one of the loudest cheering for him coming on board. We needed a Southern Style Kracka Ass Kracka type Bubba Gump option playing coach. That and recruiting was behind him too... another reason why I hate the BCS so much, it is nothing more than Big Collegiate Socialism, you have know-nothing schools transferring the wealth of solid built program successes by the schools who did it right, all in favor of siphoning talent, money, and glory away from the more dynamic schools, all so that Bubba Tech should get an equal but underserved shot at a bowl, not so... or should I further ask, does that sound politically familiar?
Bubba Tech has to do it the old fashioned way, build a program of their own. Well, we have some decent talent, but we have absolutely no frigging depth at all. It'll be two years before we see solid gains from the transition. I don't doubt Rodriguez's abilities, I just don't trust him enough to make it happen so...
I quess this is where faith is supposed to come in...
September 21st, 2008 at 11:45 PM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:08 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 AM ^
Be more specific. Of course Miles was on the Michigan campus several times before a decision was made, he only attended school, was a football player, and an assistant coach.
Now, please tell us when you saw him on campus, or any reports that he was on campus. For some reason, I find it hard to believe that Les Miles could have flown to from LA to MI and back without attracting any attention, or having somebody wonder where the hell he was for the past 8 hours. To do that several times in the middle of a football season where he still had a shot at an SEC title and BCS Bowl game (remember everybody thought WVU over Pitt = NT game was a no brainer) is nothing short of ludicrous.
Also, he's not your buddy, friend.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:05 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:11 AM ^
you're not doing much of it either......I dont thinnk he implied he was not considered for the job......i think he said, how could he turn the job down if he was never formally offered the job.
And, there were zero confirmed reports of his ever being on campus last year during the search process......why cling to that "fact."
Please share, when and where was he on campus last Nov/Dec?!?!
Or, are you going to keep using it to build up your straw man arguments.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 AM ^
1. How do you know that Miles was formally offered the job?
2. How do you know that Miles was on campus several times during the coaching search?
3. How can you trust one man you don't know more than another man you don't know?
4. Do you not trust RR because he is not a "Michigan Man" and because pundits and opposing fans say "don't trust him!!!!"?
5. Do you really think that saying you almost played for UM makes you a football expert?
6. Do you not know that every UM fan hates Andy Moeller and that mentioning him completely ruins your credibility?
7. Do you actually know Les Miles personally?
If you can't answer these questions, then don't continue to defend yourself.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:50 PM ^
and then it will sort settle your own arguements before you even get started.
1. How do you know that Miles was formally offered the job?
That wasn't a question I raised, he was in consideration... that's all he needed to be. So the statement now can be: They offered the position to who would take it,and that seems to be the reality. You know how many Steve Spurrier nuts were on this blog last year clammouring for him, and that wasn't gonna happen. Miles and Rod... different situations. I never comments on the who or what... just that it was a cheap shot from ESPN. I dont' need to know Les Miles, and how is that releveant anyway? You are completely misunderstanding the context of the post.
Lastly, I am not concerned with who likes or dislikes Andy Moeller, what did that have to do with the price of tea in China? But specifically does lend quite a bit to credibility to who I know and where my cirecle of knowledge lies - though I never sought affirmation from you - and need dont' need it from you either, particularly if you can't even understand context.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:15 PM ^
You mentioned knowing Moeller to try to give yourself credibility, which makes no sense. Watch: "I know Tom Brady so I know a lot about football." See how that doesn't work?
You said Miles was on campus. That is factually wrong. You said he was offered the job. That was wrong.
Do you know what people who answer questions with another question are? They are uninformed and trying to cover for their lack of knowledge. Please stop writing for awhile.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:49 AM ^
Fielding Yost wouldn't have done shit with this roster we have. You're delusional and archaic. Wake up: This team was a 6 or 7 win team at best this year no matter who was coaching. We have the most inexperienced offense in the country, and that has nothing to do with RichRod. It was the end result of any coach taking over this team. How is our lack of depth on him, you dimwit? Oh wait. Erosion of family values. He made Boren leave and Mitchell missed his gameday 3for5 deals at Hungry Howies. We'd be 3-0 if we just lined up in good ol' fashioned I-formation. Fuck RichRod!
Now, your best running backs and a little-known kid from Pahokee pacing your WR corps - that's all him. As are your top freshmen OL backups right now. You brag about Miles recruiting at a place he doesn't even need to try to recruit at, while ignoring RichRod's superior efforts in just 8 months at Michigan in the process of changing an entire culture of "We're Michigan" bullshit.
But by all means, continue distrusting RichRod and championing the monkey on the sidelines for LSU.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:08 AM ^
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September 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:00 AM ^
But where I come from, we call that 'talking out of your ass.'
There's a simple rule to posting on these kind of places and hoping to gather any sort of respect or credibility: DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT make claims to facts that you cannot link, support or otherwise prove. AKA when the hell was Les on campus to interview for the job?? I could've sworn he was a little busy putting together a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP season, but I guess that's just me.
Second of all, there's another simple rule for being a Michigan fan, a REAL Michigan fan-- IF YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTING THE PROGRAM, YOU'RE ATTACKING IT. Showing doubt and crying about lack of faith, well, as far as I'm concerned, is for the horse's asses in the horseshoe. RICH IS OUR COACH-- STAND BEHIND HIM or TURN IN YOUR BLOCK M.
GO BLUE!!
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 AM ^
Here's a rule to grow by. Get a life... for real. And learn to read the thread instead of partial responses then go on a rant. Don't' ever question the loyalty and knowledge of someone you don't' know, because you never know who they are. I went to Michigan, I attended high school with Gary Moeller's son Andy, we were in the same graduating class. I was going to red-shirt the team but ended up missing 6 weeks of school due to pnuemonia... so kindly tuck your pie pan deep Michiganism somewhere will you. True fans keep it real, and that means telling it like it is sometimes. But you wouldn't know anything about that would you. Don't ever dare attempt to consul me on your remedial definitions of fandom. I respect your being a fan but but be smart, your comments were not.
Hail to the victors valiant...
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:12 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:43 AM ^
"Well, I will say this. The Athletic department did it to themselves, they should have replaced Carr three years ago after loosing to OSU in the Rose Bowl. Our recruiting efforts were hindered even back then."
Rivals Scout
2009: 6th
2008: 10th 6th
2007: 12th 10th
2006: 13th t9th
2005: 6th 2nd
2004: 5th 5th
2003: 17th 8th
2002: 16th 19th
When, exactly?
Also, when did we "loose" to OSU in the Rose Bowl?
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 AM ^
"Bill Martin should have known that recruiting would have been shot regardless of who he hired"
except this didn't happen
Is it just me or has a large percentage of Michigan fans been hiding in a massive cave somewhere until recently?
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:05 AM ^
Well, let's try and see where this is coming from. It reads like a screed from someone who has been reading too much Free Republic echo-chamber political "analysis," and has decided to adopt the same style in the sport arena. Some small town Republican in a Blue State, maybe, who thinks he's going to come and show the liberal masses on MGoBlog where they have gone wrong by asserting "facts" that can't be proven, like Les Miles's alleged visit (with his wife, to look at real estate).
Push-polling the idea that we should be upset by the RichRod hire because we blew it with Les Miles isn't going to work here. First off, I know Tucker Eskew and sir, you are not Tucker Eskew. Second, the readership of this blog is too-well informed to fall for it.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:51 PM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:52 AM ^
Miles's current employer had the inside track on the guy. It's silly to to look back on us not getting Miles like it's some kind of screw up.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 AM ^
Initially reading this i thought it would be a pretty good post. what a letdown. All judgement on michigan should be reserved 1 year. I really don't understand why people outside of our program (i.e. ESPN) are so quick to criticize us, let alone people (including fans like ourselves) within the program would judge richrod already. I understand people outside of the program just wanting to take a hack at michigan b/c for so long the opportunity never presented itself but our own fans, why?
And to say that Les Miles was on campus is a lie. I know many, many people within the program (athletic department staff, former players who knew Les, etc) and none of them had ever said Les was on campus. It would've been virtually impossible for him to have made it to Ann Arbor, particularly not being seen by anyone nonetheless. While a lot of the older guys in the program really wanted Les, and he also wanted to come, it just didn't work out for a # of reasons. But honestly, who cares?
Richrod is a great coach. Right now he doesn't have the resources necessary to win 9, 10, 11 games a season. But he will and is building towards that. Get an account with scout or rivals to confirm that. He has been recruiting real well and things will get better. This season is a low point; a transitional phase. Realize that and be rationale in your judgement of the program. Any true fan will support richrod and our program regardless of what the current state of affairs are. I believe richrod when he says we will return to glory. It's only a matter of time. GO BLUE.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:38 AM ^
It seems like a lot of UM fans (judging from other boards) have had whismical nostalgic thoughts of Les Miles this weekend. That's fine. He is a damn good coach, a Michigan man still, and could very well have been ours. Howeva....
-He's not our coach.
-He will NOT be our coach in the foreseeable future.
-There's nothing you can do to change that and nothing the Athletic Dept. can do about it even if they wanted to. Thus, what we or anybody thinks about this is irrelevant.
-Hence, what's the point of starting a thread reminiscing about him other than talking to yourself out loud?
I do however disagree that "true" Michigan fans must always suppport and never criticize the program. Depends on what you mean by "program". I always have and always will support UM. That does not mean that I was not VERY VERY critical of Carr, Herman, Martin, and co. over the last years. It all hinges on being rational. No rationale human being can rightfully criticize RR justy yet given the facts: (1) completely new offense, (2) completely new program philosophy (dont underestimate this), (3) lack of experienced players, (4) lack of good players among the experienced ones, and (5) only four weeks inro his first season. Give him a chance before making judgmnents. Carr was fair game because he had plenty (maybe too many) chance, RR should get his.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:46 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:59 PM ^
"-Hence, what's the point of starting a thread reminiscing about him other than talking to yourself out loud? "
Though I understand your overall post, you must not have gathered the basic context nor the title of the artible. I was citing ESPN's lack of sensitivity to make such a brain dead comment. I didnt' go into analysis... so I didnt' need a "deeper" reason. My final comments on RR was hey I don't know enough of his successes that I have personally cared enough to investigate, but I do know what WV has done under him... but at 60-26 record is nothign to throw caution to the wind with. That was my point.. I dont' dislike him, he's done nothing to me... I never quiestioned this Michigan Man image.. which I thinkis all BS, there are traditions to adhere to that are mutually beneficial, and there are loosing traditions. We needed to sever ties with all loosing traditions and stick to what brings the glory back to the michigan name.
Hail to the victors valiant!
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 AM ^
We played OSU in a Rose Bowl? And we "loosed" to them? Even, granting the typo, if you intended to type "losed" to them, you're still hilariously Ralph Wiggums-esqe.
Me fail English! That's unpossible!
But, I guess I have no right to take issue with your non-sensical rant that talks about "kracka ass krackas" - you knew Andy Moeller. Case closed. I will "consul" you no further.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 AM ^
......is not much of a feather in your cap, given how, uh, poor he was as an OL coach.
You sound like a bitter wanna-be insider who is still pissed that the big ol bag of Lesticles is not on our sideline.......there are plenty of whispers about that thought in Section 14 where my seats are.
This season is going to get extremely uneasy and uncomfortable if we dont win games this year.
I am a huge supporter of RR.......but there's a strong pulse of discontent out there as evidenced by this forum post.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:09 PM ^
Joy? and your consensus governs what? Grow up puppy nuts... a true fan calls the cake by the cake. You frosting addicts have the nerve!
Lastly... I never attacked RR, I plainly stated why I feel we need to be eyes wide. Or do I need to spell it out for you too Behindstein.. here:
60-26
Not something I love broadcasting from the tree tops... it is mediocre at best and you know it. So spare me your remedial sideline fervor will you... you've impressed nothing but yourself [which apparently doesn't appear that hard to do]
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 AM ^
Take away his first season when he went 3-8 and he has won 76% of his games. That would put him in the top 10 (and on the cusp of the top 5) of current active coaches.
through 2007, 5 years minimum:
COACH Years Win Loss Tied PCT
1. Pete Carroll, USC 7 76 14 0 .844
2. Urban Meyer, Florida 7 70 16 0 .824
3. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma 9 97 22 0 .815
4. Mark Richt, Georgia 7 72 19 0 .791
5. Philip Fulmer, Tennessee 16 147 45 0 .766
6. Bobby Bowden, Florida State 42 373 119 4 .756
7. Lloyd Carr, Michigan 13 122 40 0 .753
8. Joe Paterno, Penn State 42 372 125 3 .748
9. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina 18 163 56 2 .742
10. Jim Tressel, Ohio State 22 208 73 2 .739
Include the 3-8 season and he his win % is 69.8.
And you call 60-26 "mediocre at best." Anyone who would say this clearly doesn't have the first fucking clue about college football. You should just quit while you're ahead. You're fucking embarrassing yourself.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 AM ^
But, I can't resist.
Checklist for recognizing a "Sack Carr" poster:
1. Conspicuously forced allusion to affluence and sophistication (Irish Coffee and Cuban cigar ritual) - check.
2. Subtle racism ("kracka ass kracka southern bubba gump style option coach") - check.
3. Poster who is silent until the first sign of struggle - check.
4. Garbled, unintellgible conspiracy theory - check.
5. Attempts to assert their knowledge with claims to "insider status" ("I knew Andy Moeller" and "I almost red-shirted" (what does that even mean?)) - check.
Yes, we are a 6" by 6" photo of a woman wearing a photo-shopped Michigan bikini as signature away from having a clean sweep.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:38 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 AM ^
Don't forget the ridiculous link to some site that goes nowhere.... aka
www.clickheretorainhellfireonanythinggoodaboutmichiganbecauseitsallthec…
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 PM ^
Isn't there a global warming over sight hearing you should be? With all that misplaced angst I'd behard pressed to see otherwise...
1. Conspicuously forced allusion to affluence and sophistication (Irish Coffee and Cuban cigar ritual) - check. Yeah, I do well.. and is my custom, what you have a problem with prose now?
2. Subtle racism ("kracka ass kracka southern bubba gump style option coach") - check. Racism - I am black... Eienstein, and I am sure you have idled your time away watching Chris Rock at some time, and to whose references where made in his stand up, so can the pie-pan deep social reverence, there are no points to earn here.
3. Poster who is silent until the first sign of struggle - check. since your point was not entierly cogent in the first place... I'll merely presume that low flying scud was meant to imply I was somehow one the ropes? Those cigars I enjoy smoking... cost money, and I make plenty of it. Because I know when to take careof business... sucks to be you right now.
4. Garbled, unintellgible conspiracy theory - check. were those new words you learned to imply something?
5. Attempts to assert their knowledge with claims to "insider status" ("I knew Andy Moeller" and "I almost red-shirted" (what does that even mean?)) - check. Did I open my mouth and make any scurrilous claims at all? Certainly not... just a brief background on who I am. I don't need to socre points with anyone... so can the crap hommie.
Yes, we are a 6" by 6" photo of a woman wearing a photo-shopped Michigan bikini as signature away from having a clean sweep. Well, you just make sure you clean up after yourself...
Give it a rest really.. your disarticulated bullet pointed malaise may have been important, but only to you.
Hail to the victors valiant!
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:32 PM ^
Claiming to be rich on the internet is beyond stupid.
I make 400,000 a year and sleep with Playmates every night. I am also a black, jewish, arab mix so I can make whatever racist joke I want. And I can shoot lasers from my dick.
It's so easy to lie.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 PM ^
Here's the thing: when you're rich and don't need to impress anybody, you tend not to use big words that you may or may not understand. You may think that you're using words correctly, but all anybody else is thinking is "Wow this guy is dumb".
I'd like to point out all of your errors, but its fun and educational to let you find your own. Just know you aren't fooling anybody.
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 AM ^
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:32 PM ^
You don't know shit.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:32 AM ^
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September 22nd, 2008 at 10:40 AM ^
There are so many things wrong with this post. Most of them have been covered by others, but this struck me: "I was about to enjoy a nice whipped cream topped Irish Cream & Espresso while lighting up a Gran Habano #1 Broadleaf corona, it doesn't get too much better than that for starting a Sunday."
What ND board did you just log off of? Are you trying to infuse your post with some form of credibility based upon your sunday morning rituals? This point makes you come off as some arrogant asshat wannabe. The rest of the post makes you come off as an uninformed, loud mouth who likes to read their own posts. That is an unappealing combination.
In future posts, if you make asertions, please be able to verify, preferably with a link. Take some time to consider your thoughts. And eliminate the pretentious theme and you will carry much more credence.