TeslaRedVictorBlue

July 28th, 2022 at 10:05 AM ^

You SHUT YOUR MOUTH when you're talking to me.

Also, i read a comment from him recently saying that some schools are pushing him to commit and he appreciates those that are not. I wasn't sure if this was good for us or not - but I hope we're just paving the road, not shoving him down it.

Would be a big get though.

TeslaRedVictorBlue

July 28th, 2022 at 11:20 AM ^

No only that, but I think on on3? they rank team's recruiting classes by a variety of factors, including "average NIL per player" or something like that. Bama is at 250k+. we're at 35k. I get that its skewed a bit by high end guys getting big money. Just another measurement to see who is doing the best job.. In the old days, it was.. you can win with 3 stars.. now itll be.. you can win with guys who only get 50k.

I dont know exactly what that metric means - whether its value per player, or what they're getting... but if an elite QB wants big money, he's going to get it - whether he loves UM or not. I dont know if that's Davis or not.

TeslaRedVictorBlue

July 28th, 2022 at 12:14 PM ^

Check this out. Go here: On3.com | The Best of College Sports and Recruiting

They have a whole menu dedicated now to NIL.. recent deals, rankings, etc... its the new star rating.

And above (or below), someone made reference to NIL value = # of followers? I thought that was a joke... its not. They list the # of people following. Making Bronny James and Arch Manning #1 and #2. 

TeslaRedVictorBlue

July 28th, 2022 at 12:34 PM ^

Yes, but right or wrong, this is how many players are going to measure their football worth. Going to lead to a lot of confusion across the board.. not all that diff than the star system. I'm sure it'll get honed over time, as they realize what positions, types of players, potential etc.. are worth the most. 

From what I recall, many star rankings are specific to how they think this player will do at the NFL or NBA level, not necessarily how good of a college player they will be... Wonder if this will lead to similar discussions.

TrueBlue2003

July 28th, 2022 at 2:40 PM ^

Very interesting.  So this is more like an estimate of what a player might expect to earn in total (since it's based more on marketability instead of quality as a football player), but NOT necessarily what a collective might be expected to pay to get him on campus / retain him.

For the collectives that exist solely to get a player on campus / retain him and don't care about the marketability of a player, the "value" is potentially totally different, at least it is if they're doing it right (and they'll probably start to figure it out).

For instance, an elite OL is about as valuable as it gets in terms of what he brings to the football team so a collective that only cares about team success should be willing to pay him a lot, but he likely doesn't bring the same value to a brand that wants him to be a sponsor.

Kind of like the disconnect between what a guy is paid by his NFL team vs what he might make via sponsorships.  Teams don't value RBs that much, but since they get the stats and TDs and are on fantasy rosters, they have a lot of marketing value.  And vice versa for OL.

 

JhnnyHelp

July 28th, 2022 at 10:51 AM ^

I’ve listened to Sam say the same. However, Sam and his crew have fallen off a cliff the last 6 months or so, in my opinion. 
 

It seems like the last few podcasts they hype up a prospect or two and literally within days said prospects are committing or getting crystal balled elsewhere. 
 

DJ Chester, Kenyon Saddiq, Paul Mubenga, etc..

We all have our bad days, but it just feels like EJ has a better pulse on the recruits this cycle  

 

njvictor

July 28th, 2022 at 11:28 AM ^

However, Sam and his crew have fallen off a cliff the last 6 months or so, in my opinion. It seems like the last few podcasts they hype up a prospect or two and literally within days said prospects are committing or getting crystal balled elsewhere. 

Wait so Sam is only supposed to do segments on players we're definitely getting? Come on, man. He can't control our staff's recruiting struggles or teenagers' decisions

JhnnyHelp

July 28th, 2022 at 11:51 AM ^

I know reading can be hard, but if you read the rest of my post I suggested that EJ just has a better pulse for this class. As you said, hard to manage expectations with the whims of teenagers and general recruiting struggles, but EJ is doing a better job than Sam and TMI crew. That’s all. 

outsidethebox

July 28th, 2022 at 2:27 PM ^

Sam may well be a negative for Michigan  out on the recruiting trail. As a recruiter, you cannot be approaching these kids in such a hyperbolic manner. I always found recruits to be very thoughtful and very well informed-and averse to exaggeration and promises. The most important thing is to develop trust. I much prefer EJ's more measured, conversational approach. 

Naked Bootlegger

July 28th, 2022 at 10:14 AM ^

Davis would be a huge QB get after the depressing Carr and Moore news.

I just clicked the On3 link and found it interesting that they have his "NIL Value" listed at $149K.  It's a brave new world out there in the NCAA football recruiting world.  But I have questions:  How the hell do they determine NIL valuations?   What market data does On3 possess that allows them to assign NIL values?

 

DennisFranklinDaMan

July 28th, 2022 at 10:16 AM ^

Who the F cares? There's no penalty for being wrong. So these sources get to sound knowledgeable and authoritative simply by making a guess. I'm going to say, "he's really enthusiastic about Clemson." Now pay me!

Blue in Paradise

July 28th, 2022 at 10:40 AM ^

Calm down - geez. EJ is a really thoughtful guy when it comes to his relationship with recruits and his reporting.

These "analysts" don't typically guess, this is probably based on conversations with Jadyn / his family / coaches / etc... in terms of his current line of thinking.  Of course, it doesn't mean that it will necessarily end up being correct as 17 year olds certainly can change their thinking in a hurry.

And the "penalty" is that if you are consistently wrong - you lose credibility with the site and the viewership.

DennisFranklinDaMan

July 28th, 2022 at 1:59 PM ^

I'm calm, I promise. :-)

I just think we're a bit through the looking glass here. It certainly is a guess -- it may be a more or less educated guess -- but unless you're telling me it somehow reflects hard/cold fact, it's a guess. And I don't think most people are keeping long-term track of how accurate these "expert" guesses are over time. Maybe you do -- honestly, maybe you do. But I've seen reports like this for 15 years, and I certainly have no idea which prognosticators are more accurate, and which less.

Instead, we treat it like a sport in and of itself. According to this, we're "winning" this particular recruiting battle. I get that, in the off-season, we're desperate for any form of Michigan-football-related competition, but ... a sport in which my team's success or failure is based entirely on what someone else thinks might happen isn't one I'm much interested in.

But I get that I'm the wet blanket. Go Blue! :-)