Duncan ties Nik for season made 3 pointers.
With last nights win over Tulsa, Duncan Robinson tied Nik Stauskas for fourth place in single season made three point field goals at 92 and needs one more against Notre Dame to tie Louis Bullock for third place. Current standings: 1. Bullock 101, 2. Glen Rice 99, 3. Bullock 93.
In 2013-14, as a sophomore, Nik made 92-208 for a .442 average in 1281 minutes played in 36 games.
Duncan has played 1002 minutes in 35 games and has made 92-206 for a .447 average.
If that isn't close enough for you, Bullock made 93-207 in 1997-98. So, if Duncan makes his first three point attempt against ND, he will tie for third place on the same exact number of shot attempts.
Data from MGOBLUE.COM Statistics Archives
I don't really classify Duncan on the same level as Nik when it comes to shooting the three, but the numbers say otherwise. Nik, on the other hand, was definitely MORE THAN just a shooter. *Drink*
I was surprised too but I guess it makes sense when you consider how much other stuff Nik did (hit bigs off of the pick in role, drive, shoot midrange jumpers) while Robinson is pretty much a 3p specialist. Also, Nik was much better at shooting 3s off of the dribble/creating his own 3 point shot so I don't think the numbers necessarily mean DR is a better 3pt shooter.
In my mind it breaks down like this. Robinson is just a shooter, Nik was not just a shooter. drink
I disagree with you - i believe DR is much better at non-set 3's than NS. NS always needed to be set. Robinson can drib, stop, pop much better IMO.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:41 PM ^
you watched the same games i did... there is a difference between making 3's against whatsamatta u and making them in the ncaa or the big 10 tourney....
I was surprised too but I guess it makes sense when you consider how much other stuff Nik did (hit bigs off of the pick in role, drive, shoot midrange jumpers) while Robinson is pretty much a 3p specialist. Also, Nik was much better at shooting 3s off of the dribble/creating his own 3 point shot so I don't think the numbers necessarily mean DR is a better 3pt shooter.
It seemed to me that last night, when he wasn't hitting his outside shots, he tried to be more agressive and penetrate and got a few lay ups. Half of his shots were inside the arc.
Robinson shot 54% in 17 non-conference games and only 35% in 18 conference games.
Stauskas shot 44% in 18 non-conference games and 45% in 18 conference games. (Sophmore year)
Since teams figured out Robinson was just a shooter he has been locked down and has shot a lower percentage from 3 than Irvin, Walton, and Dawkins in Big Ten play. Donnal and Robinson both shot 35% from 3 in conference play.
Stauskas was far more consistent as a sophomore. However, even as a freshman his average in conference play only dipped to 37%.
Robinson may be on par or even better than Stauskas as a pure shooter (FT% indicates he's better) but it doesn't matter if you can't keep defenders honest by doing other things.
B1G schedule is miles tougher (minus RU), they figured him out, and also didn't have to pay attention to Caris.
Robinson does in his second year in the league and compare (rather than by class). His shot has fallen off but he's found other ways to contribute (rebounds, assists, knock aways, etc.).
Robinson's other stats aren't better in conference play than non-conference. He just stopped making 50% of his 3s. Nothing much else has changed.
I've read several comments like this and I chalk them up to bias for a fan favorite.
If his peripheral stats remained the same in B1G play, that indicates an in-year improvement, no?
But you're talking about very low volume in either case. Is doing next to nothing against somebodies really an improvement over doing next to nothing against nobodies?
March 17th, 2016 at 11:27 PM ^
Since teams have made it obvious that they will pretty much let anyone else open to make sure they cover Duncan, one of two things is going to have to happen between now and next season. Either another bona fide, consistent 3-point threat will have to emerge or Duncan will have to learn to shed coverage.
He has enough acceleration to drive to the basket. I am hoping he combines this with a great jab step next year to become an offensive force again. Then again, "X" may come in and hit a lot of threes next season, making it difficult for defenses to concentrate on Duncan.
Either way, I am guessing he puts in a lot of work this summer.
For the past two weeks, Walton can be left open. He can barely make a layup these days.
Irvin's and Walton have been better in-game shooters than Robinson and have the ability to create shots for themselves (and of course others). Dawkins is a knock-down shooter too.
Robinson can get by people due to their over-coverage of his dangerous 3 point shooting, but he's very slow on his at the basket takes and tends to get blocked pretty often by help defenders.
The area I'd like to see Robinson improve on is mid-range jumpers and pump-faking and then taking a couple dribbles to give himself space. He could also work at generating more contact to draw fouls. He's never going to be a great finisher at the rim due to his limited athleticism, but he is always going to be tall for his position. Getting good looks of screens, fakes and drawing more fouls should be doable.
I will bet you $1,000,000 that Nik doesn't make a 3 against ND.
You just have to believe.
I'll take that bet!
Jus the other day, Nik was 2-6 against ND (Nets Defense). I'll send you my PayPal address so you can deposit the $Million.
I never knew
if *Duncan* makes his first three point attempt against ND
It has been edited.
The overall numbers looks worse because he started the season off shooting almost 60% for 3, and has been under 40% post big ten play. Stauskas, I believe, was more consistent (he was also taking a lot tougher shots, in general).
Still, has to be considered a great three point shooting season for Duncan.
So he just needs to make 10 three pointers against Notre Dame to break the record. I would be OK with that.
10 over the next 6 games
I would be happy with that!
This obviously means we're going to the Final 4.
Don't be ridiculous. Elite Eight.
(we're talking about Nik's sophomore year, not freshman).
to be alive
Had his role in the offense been similar to what Robinson's is this year (or similar, but larger, than Nik's freshman year). That being said, it is really impressive that Robinson has had this type of season. When the announcers said it last night, I was shocked that he was even that close.
Robinson has received a lot of hate around here in the past few months, particularly regarding that he should "go back to D-III" (which, while I understand being critical of players that play for Michigan, I really don't understand why people that are fans of Michigan just want to degrade a guy, but that's fans sometimes), but this goes to show that he has been an important part of this year's team, even if his numbers did dip during B1G play. This is also why he keeps on playing, because if he gets hot, he really opens up this offense to be very dangerous.
a different role but it also seems to have led to a lot more open looks.
I agree. Nik's freshman year he was probably the 3rd/4th scoring option depending on who was on the floor. Burke and Hardaway were great at drawing defenders and finding Stauskas for the open 3. I miss that team.
While still a great shooting season, Duncan has really dropped off as the year marched on. I'm sure that's due to a combination of factors, but most importantly it's the absence of Caris. No player is more affected than Robinson by not having Levert out there. Robinson is the type of player who becomes ridiculous when he's on a team that can consistently get him open. Without Caris we simply do not have the creators to allow Duncan to chill at the line and rain.
Development from throughout the roster around him, the addition of Xavier Simpson and Duncan's own development in moving without the ball and he should see his 3 point shooting improve over the next couple of seasons at Michigan.
The entire dynamic of this team is different if Caris is there to create. That opens the floor for Robinson, Duncan, and Walton. MAAR can get to the rim almost as well as Caris, and is probably better at finishing shots at the rim, but he's not nearly as good of a passer or shooter. That affects everyone on the floor.
Stauskas was way more consistent, shooting over 41% in Big Ten play. Robinson is shooting below 35% since December.
I wouldn't have guessed that. Nik hit some clutch treys for us. One that sticks out for me was at Wisky. Nik did a backward crossover between his legs and did a step back 3 to put us up by 4 with 48 seconds left...cold blooded!
That's a bit shocking
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March 18th, 2016 at 12:29 AM ^
Well done, Duncan. I look forward to his progression over the next couple years.
March 18th, 2016 at 10:18 AM ^
I didn't expect that at all. I would have bet the house on Stauskus having more 3's.
March 18th, 2016 at 12:45 PM ^
you would have 'bot' the house?
/s
and I would have thought myself even more certain (without looking it up) that Nik shot a higher %.
Now I see I'm wrong on both counts.
March 18th, 2016 at 12:31 PM ^
If you compare the numbers on Stauskas's freshmen season with Robinson's current one, they're pretty darn similar. Regardless of how this year ends up, that portends good things for next year.