I stumbled upon this article, so it's good to know the issue of standing for the entire game causes friction in other Big Ten stadiums. Although this mainly deals with the student section, I'm sure Penn State has some of the same issues.
Down in front!
Moving students out from in front of older alums who don't want to (or can't) stand through the whole game: good move.
Telling a fan, "down in front" on 3rd and goal in fourth quarter: d*ck move.
It's a hard line to draw.
'Section 1' is one of my favorite posters on the board and we're all well aware of his thoughts on the topic. Maybe he's offline for the day or something so he doesn't get negged back to the grave again for his take ...
So I'm living proof of redemption, right?
Honestly, I never thought it was such a bad topic, even though I had strong opinions. Please remember, I was the guy who actually suggested to some of the guys, that they talk to the Athletic Department about their own section like that. I have NOTHING against the students doing their thing; I like it!
The only really ugly posts were the ones where commenters were suggesting what to do to people behind them, who voiced complaints. It seems to me, that you're okay to stand if everybody in front of you is standing. And you're okay to stand as long as nobody behind you is complaining. But if a) nobody is standing in front of you, and b) somebody behind you complains, you should sit, or find yourself another location, where you can stand and not bother anybody.
Thanks the OP for the article link, too!
Section 1, I appreciate your perseverance...
I had a few minutes to look back at that infamous thread. You received roughly 570 negative points.
The overall deficit from that day is likely much higher - considering you likely received neutralizing positive votes, and considering vindictive users probably went into other threads in an effort to take away your most dearly beloved MGoAssets.
I always appreciate your posts and I'm glad that you do your best to stay reasonable and thoughtful (even with a public outcry against you). Everyone needs to hear a contrasting, reasonable perspective from time to time.
I went from your average, loyal, M-man with a modest nest egg of MGo Points to "pariah" in 4.43 seconds (electronically timed).
Now, I presume that other members know how harmless I am, or perhaps they know not to take me too seriously.
As for Rosenberg....
To whatever extent that I had help in returning to "citizen" status, I say thanks to one and all.
In the country thinks THEY are the only ones with the Blue Hair Problem.
Who claims that their entire fan base is made up of cool guys and hawt chicks with bewbs...
When someone says "Down in front," respond with "Up in back!"
who knows what i or advanced medicine will be like when i reach the age of velcro shoes, buicks, and elastic everything. i hope that i am content with constant yelling and standing during games. but i have to say judging from the looks of that particular age grade, it appears awfully painful. nonetheless, i am just hoping i make it to the tender age of 40.
i was really hoping that they'd say that all of PSU's subs on the sidelines had to sit down on the grass because JoePa couldn't see.
to be a section in the Big House that does not allow standing so older fans can see the game. In my section for the Purdue and OSU game people stood most of the time. There was an elderly couple in the row in front of me who had significant issues with arthritis in their knees who could not tolerate the constant up and down activity that one has to perform to see play after play when everyone in front of you is up. The woman was especially impaired- I don't even know how she made it 33 rows down to get to her seat.
We had OSU fans this year who defiantly stood the entire game and did not care whose view they were impeding. The same happened at PSU in 2006 in the Michigan section that almost led to a fist fight before ushers warned and eventually removed the PSU fan impeding the view of fans behind him.
I do not mind standing since I usually stay warmer on cold days and my gluteal area is becoming less fond of the metal benches we now sit on.
People who insist on standing for entire games who have seats lower in the stadium need to be aware that not everyone who is behind them has the physical capacity to stand up repeatedly for four quarters.
Personally, I like standing at the game. I like when people around me stand. I know that they are as into the game as I am. I guess when I get old(er) I will probably still stand. That way my Depends won't leak when I sit.
What they really need to do is designate sections. Some "No Standing" sections, some "Standing Sections" and the student section. The rest of the stadium can have the option. And if you say "Well I've been in the same seats for x years and I give 10k every year to the athletic department, too damn bad. This is a football game, you don't get to tell people what to do when they want to give the team an advantage and all you do is sit there. And if you have arthritis in your knees or any other health problem which makes it difficult for you to get to your seat, go to the disabled section.
You folks that are in the Big House weekly probably have it down pat. As visitors, coming once every 2 years, it's rough. We're talking all Buckeye fans, here, no anti-UM sentiment. It seems that drunk young folks occupy the first row or two. When they stand, on their damn seats, no less, everyone behind them had to stand for 25 or 30 row or something. It's Buckeye vs. Buckeye p.o.'d and swearing. Gets ugly. FYI...
Really? Even in the horseshoe? I thought everyone stood in there? Then how is it so loud?
Had tickets to the Titans v Colts game last Sunday. My buddies and I got hooked up front row. We got yelled at to sit down while the players were out stretching...30 minutes before kickoff. Now THAT pissed me off. Come on, we were so excited to have front row seats that we were standing up looking around and get called assholes (granted my friends had on Titans jerseys in Indy)before the game even starts which I thought was pretty ridiculous.
I have no problem with standing at a football game.
That being said, I do have a problem with the dude in row 30 who decides he's going to stand up the entire game (halftime included), even if he's the only one in the section who stands up, and then acts like he doesn't hear the 10 people around him asking him to sit down.
It's not one person halfway up the bowl's job to dictate what everyone behind him will have to do to see the game. It's called being considerate, and so many of the "UP IN BACK!" types I have encountered at Michigan sporting events in the last two years seem to completely lack any semblance of consideration and empathy for those around them.
And for those of you who say that elderly people should "move to the disabled section," who are you to tell someone who has been coming to Michigan games before your parents were born where they can and cannot sit? The adorable old couple who have sat behind my family for 30+ years didn't see a single play of the Ohio State game. To their credit, they didn't make a big deal out of it, but I felt badly for them that they would make the effort to come all the way to the Stadium and essentially see nothing because a bunch of twenty-somethings wanted to prove a point and stand up the entire game in an alumni section.
I agree with your view 100%.
Agree ...Bando +1 wish to add 1000
I like to stand at the games. When we make a good play or score I am estatic,clapping,whistling,cheering,and high fiving everyone around me. I love the game of football(started at 6)and Ilove Michigan. It's tough for me sit down and clap, I would have done anything(well not anything, I know what some of you are thinkin, but you know what I mean) to play football at this level. These kids go out there every Saturday and play their hearts out for Michigan, therefore when I am at the games I feel like its my duty as a fan to support them to the best of my abilites(see above).
Now,that being said I am also respectful of people around me. If someone has a problem with me standing I will sit down. I'm not one of those people who is the only one in the section standing the whole game while everyone else is sitting. If you think about it,standing makes it easier,your already standing so there's no need to keep getting up. I also understand some folks cannot do this. If there was an elderly couple behind me I would sit. But when we have a big play or score I will stand and cheer like crazy. Then promply turn around and give them a play by play of what happened. They appreciate it believe it or not. Generally because they have no idea what just happened,because as soon as I see the play develop I spring to my feet with glee. And for that, I apologize. I cannot help it. The bottom line is we are all there for the same reason. To cheer for Michigan. But do so respectfully. Just my thoughts.