December 3rd, 2010 at 11:13 PM ^
no decision could be made until after football is over given the requirements of non-play
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:17 PM ^
Any chance he redshirts next year? It seems he has fallen behind Tate on the depth chart. If DG has one more year of eligibility, we could have he for two years post-DR.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:19 PM ^
for all the right reasons. i truly see him hugging it out on his way to helm another team. not because he's not good enough or that UM doesn't want him but that, in the past two years, he's earned the right to have his own team to lead and own. and all the best to him.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:32 PM ^
Pretty clear for a while that's the way it's happening, especially assuming RR is back. If he's not back all hell could break loose at the QB position
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:52 PM ^
IF there were to be a coaching change, Harbaugh is not dumb enough to take an NCAA record qb and throw him in another position. Denard will be the qb next year no matter what. they might put him in different formations and he may, gasp, play under center at times but Harbaugh has done spread-element offenses before. i think it's a lot easier to go from spread to pro-style/hybrid than it is to go in reverse of that. hell, harbaugh might go all OSU on it and truly embrace the best of what he has. who knows. all i know is i trust gardner is an intelligent young man soaking up the best of what he can, whether it's how Tate throws a long ball or finesses tough passes or it's Robinson's ball movement and running choices. i think we're in excellent shape at qb and that Gardner would be a dream transition qb if needed. i see no reason a qb like him couldn't succeed in a Harbaugh offense, bc that's all we're talking about really.
December 4th, 2010 at 1:16 AM ^
But I can't overlook the fact that Gardner is built like a young Luck. He is big and strong, can make all the throws and was lauded for his coachability (I don't remember what it was maybe best in the classroom or something) at the Elite 11 camp. I think Harbaugh could really do some special things with Denard but he also redshirted Luck his freshman year when Luck was their best QB because of the long term payoff. I suppose that logic could be applied to sitting Gardner as well but I just don't see it.
December 4th, 2010 at 10:04 AM ^
Luck was more polished as a QB coming out of high school than Gardner. Luck's father was a NFL QB so that helped Luck's development.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:38 AM ^
That's why I chose the word "could". I don't think Harbaugh would move Denard...my biggest concern is that either he or Gardner transfers. I don't think it would happen but you never know what would follow a potentially chaotic situation. If RR were to end up at, say, Miami, you just don't know. Having said that it does seem that Denard is pretty firmly planted in AA.
December 4th, 2010 at 2:23 AM ^
But I want Tate here. What about the Derek factor in all of this? Where are the family values? Don't the extend to the second-cousin twice-removed?
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:19 PM ^
He would need to submit a request to the NCAA for a medical hardship waiver. I always thought this was done after an athlete's eligibility was exhausted, but maybe it can be done earlier.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:19 PM ^
how did he get hurt?
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:21 PM ^
while analyzing the Alabama Medical Redshirt excuse list
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:21 PM ^
of course he did
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:31 PM ^
Your point total suggests that you are a quality poster; however, your comment implies that Notre Dame is always above board which seems odd in light of the recent goings-on in South Bend...just sayin.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:36 PM ^
I guess I don't remember ND applying for a medical redshirt for darius fleming when he played about 3 total minutes on special teams his feshmen year.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:41 PM ^
lot of important forms and documents lost in those years amongst the spare ribs and pizza boxes
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:41 PM ^
you still have it man, lol
December 4th, 2010 at 1:58 AM ^
And I'm sure ND wouldn't have applied on Michael Floyd's behalf last season had he not come back toward the end of last season.
December 4th, 2010 at 2:35 AM ^
#1 Floyd was actually injured, breaking your collar bone makes you injured. Whatever is Gardner's issue doesn't sound at all to be a season ending injury.
#2 Its unlikely floyd stays for 4 years let alone a 5th medical red shirt year, so this is moot anyway
#3 He played well over the limit to qualify for a medical red shirt last year
#4 If he hadn't come back to play the last 4 games of the season he would have likely qualified for a medical redshirt considering he only would have played in 3 whole games before being injured.
So there you go
December 4th, 2010 at 2:47 PM ^
#1 None of us know the extent of Gardner's injury. Some think it was very minor, but only Devin and the coaching staff know for sure.
#2 I agree that Floyd likely won't stay for four years, but I have a hard time believing that ND wouldn't have even tried to get a redshirt for him, just in case.
#3 I know he played over the limit to qualify for the redshirt. That's why I said "had he not come back toward the end of last season."
#4 This is pretty much exactly what I said in my previous post. He would've qualified for it, so I cannot see why ND wouldn't have taken advantage of the opportunity to get him another possible year of eligibility. Obviously it doesn't matter now, but if he didn't return last season (which I believe was reported as being a distinct possibility at the time of the injury), it would've been similar to Gardner's situation. Not every injury is a broken bone, but the lingering injuries, like the one Gardner may have endured, affect production and availability just as much.
So there you go.
December 4th, 2010 at 3:17 AM ^
Do you guys have more than one Darius Fleming?
The only one I'm seeing is an junior OLB that is listed on und.com as playing in all 13 games as a freshman and 11 games as a sophmore. He apparently played alot this year as well.
.On his freshman year (from his bio)... "logged 91:32 of playing time with 198 special teams appearances - second-most on team (Steve Quinn, 239)."
He's listed as a class of 08 recruit on ESPN.
Am I missing something?
December 4th, 2010 at 11:04 AM ^
Way to call BS on hIm.
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<br>Irish, before you go making shit up, remember you are on a UM board where people have common sense. Did you think nobody would verify your statement? Apparently there is a prevalent lack of institutional common sense at ND. Kind of like when a coach sends a kid up on a scissor lift with gusting winds.
December 4th, 2010 at 1:09 PM ^
I couldn't remember off the top of my head which defensive player it was, thought it was fleming. Either way the guy has started every game, is a big contributor on defense and burned his red shirt after playing very few minutes. If you need to know who it was exactly keep looking it should be on the und.com website
December 4th, 2010 at 1:18 PM ^
home of "my original point may have been wrong but go look on the site and prove my point for me"
god bless this connected network of tubes
December 4th, 2010 at 1:33 PM ^
my original point isn't wrong, just the player I thought it was describing
December 4th, 2010 at 1:53 PM ^
And what was your point? That Notre Dame didn't elect to file for a medical hardship when it could have? Because Notre Dame is morally higher than anyone else?
Give me a break, man. You make snarky comments on the biggest message board of your team's rival and then wonder why you have to defend yourself from all sides.
December 4th, 2010 at 1:14 PM ^
steve filer?
December 4th, 2010 at 1:31 PM ^
yeah maybe, thought there was someone else with less time than him though. Maybe he graduated last year, it doesn't really matter who it was for the point I was making.
December 4th, 2010 at 1:35 PM ^
Well, that was their own dam fault.
December 4th, 2010 at 12:13 AM ^
Get off your high horse. Jealousy of Gardner as a 5th year senior, I see.
December 4th, 2010 at 12:18 AM ^
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:26 PM ^
That one game, um, when he took that hit. Yeah, he hurt his, what's that thing called, oh yeah he hurt his back! Sell it DG, and sell it well.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:29 PM ^
Not to worry though...word is surgery not required!
December 4th, 2010 at 1:08 AM ^
serious injury that requires lots of rest. It was really sad losing him for the year, hopefully knowing he didnt waste a year of elegibility will give Devin some comfort while he rehabs his way back for next year. Such good news will help to raise him up
December 4th, 2010 at 2:22 AM ^
+1 to you, sir.
December 4th, 2010 at 7:52 AM ^
Actually I think RR talked about him not being able to practice due to a back injury.
December 4th, 2010 at 8:08 AM ^
Right. It's kind of like that defensive lineman for Cal who "flopped" against Oregon. He had to sit out a couple plays because he was "hurt." Then he was back to 100%.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:19 PM ^
But makes sense since he could theoretically play in a bowl. Though I would assume if a player was awarded a medical and then played in a bowl, heads would roll.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:20 PM ^
Maybe we should apply for a medical redshirt for Denard for this year based on the sheer number of injuries (he missed time pretty much every game). It's a longshot, but the NCAA seems to be non-sensical (Cam Newton stuff offered as evidence) and it never hurts to ask.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:22 PM ^
there are requirements including how many games, when in the season and a documented injury that prevented play. nothing that has happened this season would ever allow denard to rationally apply. applying for the sake of applying would cause a lot of negative attention
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:24 PM ^
Just some feel good BS. It would be great to keep Denard an additional year.
December 4th, 2010 at 12:21 AM ^
that he's back to freshman elgibility.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:20 PM ^
Not trying to hijack post, but guy posting on scout says he has info dee hart wont make decision tonight. Dont know how accurate, just passing it along.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:23 PM ^
the game ended hours ago and it's 11:30 at night. i'd say that's a safe internet guess
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:25 PM ^
Geaux-Blue do you think UM coaches may have played a role in this
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:38 PM ^
i don't have any insider info but i wouldn't be surprised if this is all a push to see how much UM cares. i'd hate to be cynical and think this is an attempt for attention and would rather just look at this as an effort on his part to see how much Michigan cares to 'react' or show interest.
i'd expected him to go to Alabama for some time so a switch on his part would neither surprise nor frustrate me. i'd assume he'd redshirt next year, as well as early enrollment, anyways so a coaching change wouldn't seem to cause huge problems (he'd be sitting out either way, not a huge blow to be doing it while shifting schools).
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:52 PM ^
What makes you think he might redshirt? That's the first time I've heard anyone mention that possibility.
He's the best RB in the nation, and that's a position that's relatively easy to step into frosh year.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:55 PM ^
the running back logjam that UM has currently isn't getting better and, frankly, the fans have seen what happens when players don't have experience and knowledge of the position in this offense. cannot count the number of times the rbs have missed key blocks or not been reacting as the qb's checkdown... between shaw, smith and toussaint, there's no reason to burn his RS. let him get experience and knowledge and short of being a home run ball in the Spring and pre-season, keep him for an extra year. would be a dangerous threat in his junior year under those circumstances
December 4th, 2010 at 1:00 AM ^
he was promised playing time next year. I seem to remember him saying he was in an interview once.
December 4th, 2010 at 2:10 AM ^
Several people claimed that after his interview when he announced. He actually said that he was "promised the opportunity to compete" for playing time (I'm paraphrasing, but that's much closer to what was actually said).